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question...what happens to the student that misbehaved

Posted: Oct 28, 2015

What did she do to bring the security office to the classroom.

Was she expelled? What did her parent (parents) do - did they make her apologize to the teacher - to the security officer? Did they "ground" her - I can only imagine what my parents would have done if I had behaved that way - I would have been working my fingers to the bone doing something somewhere for someone - to let me know in no uncertain terms that my behavior was not acceptable - and in raising my 2 kids, it would have been the same thing - fortunately, my kids knew that s--t would hit the fan if they ever acted like that - is it the same with this student?

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What happens now? Her unruly mother (sm) - LM

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who I read was once involved in an incident outside the school, gets a lawyer, the security officer fired. That's what usually happens. Besides, she's black.

I heard the mother had died and child is in foster care - truth seeker

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I find the comment above quite disturbing.

This is a teenage girl with a cell phone.

I believe you misunderstood what you read. Please go back - and read it again.

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This is such BS for the officer and the school - humbled

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What would you have done if you were the teacher, counselor, or officer? What about the other students who were denied being taught that day because of some spoiled, self righteous brat? I do believe they do this purposely to get attention and a possible law suit. What should the officer have done after repeatedly asking her to leave the classroom? She should be expelled forever from school. She apparently does not want to be there. Stinking spoiled, disrespectful, self-centered brat.

Hear, hear! - MT

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Very well said!

We need to put the blame where it belongs - on these spoiled out of control teens!

Who will grow up to be spoiled, out of control adults. - nm

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nm

or possibly overly-aggressive security officers who bully children - because thats what has been modeled for them

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Makes sense.

You really don't know. Other children said she was a quiet girl - We do not know her mental status or situation

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Who knows why she did what she did, but she is a child.

I think the adults could have done better. Just a little bit of common sense and the situation could have been resolved, but instead, they escalated it to the level of physical violence, which the child herself did not participate in. She was not violent and was actually small compared to a large man who manhandled her.

He has a record of having used excessive force in the past - Not surprised

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He has been fired based on his behavior and the fact that he has used excessive force in the past.

Coddling overaggressive and inappropriate officers makes it bad for the majority (good ones) - Shame on him!

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His behavior makes it harder on all hardworking police officers who do the right thing every day, day in and day out. He is an embarrassment to his profession. Shame on him!

Her behavior - RAZ

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Her behavior makes it hard on the officer that was just trying to do his job.

SHAME ON HER!

She's a child. Adults should be able to do better - His job was to handle a problem but he did not

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nm

She may technically still be a child - RAZ

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But she is plenty old enough to know better.

Again with the excuses for these obnoxious unruly children.

Actually... - MT

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She's 18 so she's NOT a child

I trust the evaluation of the law enforcement experts on this that he was out of line - Law enforcement supporter

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He was badly out of line and clearly in the wrong profession. How hopefully he is permanently out of it.

What would I have done if I were the teacher? - sm

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I would have ignored the student rather than engage in a self-interested power struggle. I certainly would not have wasted even MORE valuable time by calling the class to a halt in order to summon administrators and resource officers.

There is no report describing the girl as disruptive or out of control. There is no excuse for a man to assault a student in a school.

Amen - nm

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nm

She is a child who should have been expelled but the security officer is an adult who probably broke - Security officer did not behave responsibly

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She obviously needed discipline and will no doubt get it. The security officer had 2 charges against him previously and needs to be held accountable for putting a child in a choke hold and slamming her across the floor. He could have killed her. He must face charges for doing what a responsible adult would never do.

Ridiculous - MT

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He could not have killed her. That is a ridiculous statement. He didn't slam her to the ground either - the little brat did that herself. Watch it again. She pushes herself over with her feet. What was he supposed to do? Say "Oh okay never mind if you don't want to go with me that's okay"? Ridiculous. The student was in the wrong here. And that's why they have security - so the teacher doesn't have to act as a security officer. Stop making excuses for these out of control teens!

You have no facts to back up what you are saying - nm

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nm

Facts - MT

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I know what I saw with my own eyes.

You know what your own biases told you was true - Children being abused is never right

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It is never the right thing to do to physically abuse children. If you aren't smart enough to control the situation with rules and words, you aren't smart enough to be there, because you are then part of the problem, not the solution.

Wrong - MT

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It has nothing to do with bias. I SAW with my own two eyes an unruly child who refused to comply. I SAW her push herself backwards in that chair. I SAW an officer doing his job.

Then you are part of the problem, not the solution - Supporter of Police

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I'm a supporter of police because they risk their lives every day. This man was no hero. He made it bad for those who work hard to do the right thing. He's a bully.

Actually the police and other law enforcement are saying he did wrong - Also a law enforcement supporter

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He behaved badly.

Wrong again - MT

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Nope I'm not part of the problem. I raised three children that respect authority. The parents who refuse to discipline their children are part of the problem. People that do nothing but make excuses for these out of control teens are part of the problem.

All she had to do was comply.

All he had to do was use common sense and a thoughtful approach - But he did not

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So he's out of a job and in court for bullying and using excessive force, a repeat offender.

The fact that he's a repeat offender says it all - nm

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nm

Oh yeah sure - RAZ

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What exactly was he supposed to do?

I think the security officer is lucky he is not - in jail, he belongs there

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There was ABSOLUTELY NO REASON for this jerk to go Rambo on that poor girl, no reason AT ALL!

How can you say she was obnoxious. We saw a girl who was told presumably to stop texting, she disobeyed the order. Disobedient, maybe, but obnoxious would have been yelling at the guy, being belligerent. We saw nothing of that from HER.

Obnoxious and violent was what the officer was, acting as though he was in Afghanistan fighting ISIS, and not in a high school, where he is supposed to presumably protecting these kids.

It was clear that girl was scared, shocked, and numb, and she did not fight back AT ALL! That was his intention. That type just loves when they can scare someone weaker and smaller than them into submission and act like a big man to make everyone fear him. None of the adults even spoke, were they scared of him too?

How can anybody support this nasty excuse for law enforcement? He was nothing but an awful bully and criminally violent, and I really hope our schools are not being populated with his like, because that is definitely the wrong way to go.

BTW, I don't know who already has the supposed mother's rap sheet up and condemned (I'm guessing someone who watches Fox News or some other right wing false news site), but the girl was recently made an orphan, has no parents, and is in foster care. Have a heart.

That guy deserves to be in prison, he is a sorry excuse for a human being. The fact he is what passes for law enforcement nowadays, I just don't know...

Well said - The facts bear out that he was on a power trip

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The guy is a bully who thinks it's cool to prove he's bigger and tougher than a small girl. He treated her as if she were a threat to the other students, which she was not. This story is not about her. There are and always have been disobedient children. This is about a big guy on a power trip.

hmmm - RA

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If you want to get technical, the original poster has no facts to back up what he/she is saying either.

re: Ridiculous - sm

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He most certainly could have killed her. Any time a body unexpectedly and forcefully hits the ground there is the potential for head and neck injury.

If Freddie Gray broke his OWN neck without assistance, it's certainly possible for an assault by another party to result in similar devastating damage.

Furthermore, the girl did not push herself over with her feet. You are seeing a chair in a row near the video taker. The chair isn't near the girl. If kids could upend themselves in school furniture, chairs would be flipping nationwide.

Proper handling would have been to remove the other children from the misbehaving child - The teacher could have handled it

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First they should have cleared the room and then let the child know that she had 5 minutes to clear out of the room or she would be expelled. Actually that should have been done earlier by the teacher, who could have handled it creatively by giving a test which she would not have been able to pass since she was on her phone. Then ignoring her so she wasn't getting the attention she may have been craving would have deescalated the situation. A security officer never needed to be called. The world is crazy when a teacher can't handle an unruly student.

The teacher is there to teach..... - MT

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Not to act as security officer.

The student could have behaved and there would have been no need for a security officer.

Security officers are not there to put children in physical danger - The adult in the room acted recklessly

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He acted recklessly with that girl's life. He really could have killed her throwing her around the room like that. She could have hit her head on the wall, on a desk, and he would have been facing murder charges. As it is, he assaulted her when she needed minor disciplinary measures, not a potential death sentence.

Assault? - MT

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All she had to do was comply with the instructions from her teacher first and then with the instructions from the security officer. But go ahead and stick up for the spoiled out of control teens. Is it really that much to ask that these kids put their phones away during class? It makes me sick how many people think it's okay for this "child" to totally ignore instructions from authority figures. I'd love to see how you would have handled this poor innocent little girl!

I would have handled it by being smarter than she was not simply physically more powerful - Not into Bullys

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The guy was a bully. He was bigger and much more powerful. Instead of using his brains, he decided to use brute strength. I'm sure he felt really good about beating up on a child because she needed it. I disagree.

Oh geez - RAZ

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Now he's beating her.

Yeah, he did - beat her

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How can you deny it? He was a big, bullying jerk who got carried away with his sense of power. I wonder if all these guys have roid rage or something. It's disgusting.

Cop/Security guard behavior OUT OF LINE - I'd see him in court

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Unless the child was a danger to herself or to others--a real danger, like as in a weapon, a psychotic break, physically abusive (oh, look all apply to the cop) she should never have been treated that way.

I don't care how disrespectful, autistic, grumpy, plain mean or ignorant the child is, she should have been given detention, suspension, waited out. No one has said she was anything but disrespectful. I heard one story said she was chewing gum and would not follow instructions, the other was cell phone use. SO WHAT!!!!

This is a high school setting, I believe. The kids should be found responsible for their actions in a reasonably punitive manner.

This police officer/security guard (and our security officer is a full blood cop with arrest authority for real crime, i.e. weapons, drug charges, armed intruders, knives) should be arrested for his activity. NOWHERE would this sort of physical takedown be legal for the sort of activity that took place here.

The teacher and principal should be ashamed of themselves for not having a method of handling this without calling the resource officer and the administration should be held responsible for having someone of that caliber on staff.

I would see that whole mess in court and tally up my punitive damages.

P.S. I have a high school student, and no, he would not do this, and yes, he would be talked to sternly, and, if this occurred in my school system I would have that cop's head on a platter, whether that happened to my child or not. And, it is absolutely incorrect that there are only "security officer" on staff in the worst, most dangerous, gang-infested schools. Just is not that way.

Well said! The facts are a child misbehaved and an adult overreacted dramatically - Very poorly handled and now a legal problem

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If a school can't handle a student who is misbehaving without physical violence, they should be shut down. If a security officer can't handle a small girl without wrestling her and throwing her across the room, he should be barred from doing that kind of work.

They took a simple behavior problem and now it will cost many thousands of dollars to deal with. Very poor handling of what could have been a simple situation if the adults had done their job.

Become a teacher - MT

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And see how well your strategy of just waiting it out works! That's laughable. Whatever she was looking at on her phone could wait, no SHOULD WAIT since she's in class.

And SO WHAT that she was on her phone instead of paying attention? She's there to learn not to surf the net or check out Facebook.

SMH!

I am a teacher of children and we don't physically manhandle them to control them - We use brains words and common sense

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Physical violence wasn't called for.

You're a teacher? - MT

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That is hazardous. Anyone who thinks only MAts come...sm - VTMT

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to this board is delusional. I'll bet half the people who post here are not MTs.

Power trips- Cops and teacher - couldn't take the blow to ego

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had to get physical to prove their point.

If the child chose to look at phone, stare into space, pick at lint on her sweater, sleep, WHATEVER, her loss! She is the one who will not be educated.

And, most likely, somewhere in her future, she will look back at her bad grades that prevent her from continuing her education and obtaining goals that she desires, she will realize how silly her behavior was and regret it.

OR, now, of course, she will be counting her money, hopefully investing in something legal and have a nice life.

The COP was wrong. The teacher was indifferent. Maybe it was the 5th time that week the kid had a phone out. Doesn't matter. Remove the phone, ask for the phone, call the parents, remove the phone, cop can stand there until the phone comes out and take the phone, teacher could take the phone, refuse to let child return to class, expel child from school, fail child. Solve it -- never resort to violence of that sort. That video made me physically ill. Maybe that is the way parents used to handle children. I'm 54...never experienced that myself. I call it abuse. Physical abuse. I would not be surprised if charges cannot be made for abusing a minor. Children's Protective Services might be able to be involved.

BTW, I posted about security officer in our school. When asked if he had full police powers, which I did, he said yeah, sure, but most of his time is spent filing reports about ---- stolen cell phones.

Well said - nm

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nm

You wonder why the teacher did not send - her to see the principal

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Now that you mention it. Wouldn't that have solved the problem of her disrupting the class? Or don't they have principals anymore?

Having a public display of violence like that apparently intended to scare everyone into submission is just not a good environment for education to take place. Maybe the armed forces or a prison, but education is about more than blind obedience OR ELSE.

duh she didn't send her to the prinicipal because .... - ...

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the kid wouldn't do anything the teacher said - was she going to politely get up and go to the principal's office? I don't think so - and quit calling her a child - she is a brat......

I do not think she is a brat at all - not from what I have seen

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And how do you know she wouldn't do anything the teacher said, how does anyone know what preceded the incident we have all watched?

Watching that clip objectively, just ask anyone in the world except right wing Americans who love "law and order" (except when it applies to them) and they will see what I saw:

An appalling use of brutal force against a younger, smaller victim, for unclear reasons, with no fighting back, no mouthing off, nothing.

I hope she gets a BIG settlement since she is lucky to be alive. I hope he never works in "law enforcement" again.

He is an embarrassment to this country.

He could have seriously injured or killed her - an instant death sentence - He should never work in law enforcement again

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This is bad for all decent law enforcement officials. It makes us look at all of them skeptically and wonder if this is one of the ones on a power trip who throw children around rooms or worse, or if they are the ones that are there for the right reasons and not bullies. Now we look at them and wonder if we could ask them for help or if they are the enemy. Thanks alot Power Cop. You messed it up for the decent law enforcement officials among us and they don't deserve having to be compared with these bad apples.

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