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What ever happened to Joe The Plumber?

Posted: Feb 28, 2011

Joe The Plumber was important to so many a while back. What happened to him? Maybe he's still around and I just haven't run into him.

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He is still a paid T-pt shill - They brought him to Madison - nm

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Paid shill or not...he asked the question and - Obama answered it.

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When you get cornered like that without a prompter or a handler, you tend to answer questions honestly. It is THAT that chaps everyone, not Joe the Plumber. They want to vilify him and conveniently forget the answer to the question.

I for one have not forgotten the answer to the question. Obviously you have, or you were in agreement with the answer, either one is self explanatory.

Have a nice day!

I remember he was an unlicensed plumber who made up a story. - Phony - nm

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Let me remind you then....this is on You Tube - if you are so inclined...

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Obama said, "My attitude is that if the economyâ��s good for folks from the bottom up, itâ��s gonna be good for everybody. If youâ��ve got a plumbing business, youâ��re gonna be better off if youâ��re gonna be better off if youâ��ve got a whole bunch of customers who can afford to hire you, and right now everybodyâ��s so pinched that business is bad for everybody and I think when you spread the wealth around, itâ��s good for everybody."

Key words, spread the wealth around. He, by these words, though people were pinched THEN and business was bad THEN. He didn't know what pinched WAS. And did he help? Has he helped at all? NO. It is worse, much worse.

Now here is where you blame Bush...LOL.

No, this is where I blame Boehner and Cantor - Where are the jobs?

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Lets see--they are cutting back on nutrition services to poor children and pregnant women, cutting back on services to low income women for Pap smears and gynecologic care, they are cutting back educational programs that service disadvantaged kids. The T-pot proposals will cut over 700,000 jobs, but no, you are concerned that Obama wanted the economic situation to improve so people could afford to pay plumbers. Geez.

Funny you should ask. I asked the same thing.. - over the last several years

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where the Dems have had the majority in Congress. Over the last two years the jobs that Obama promised...long before Cantor had any power and long before Boehner had any power. Now I will give you some credibility if you change your post to say I blame the Dems, Obama, Cantor, Boehner, and the Republicans...where are the jobs? Then I might believe you.

nice deflection! - tpotmt

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Can't stay on topic when a fact or two are thrown around. Even still, the American people know that Tpot proposals will not take women back to the 18th century. They aren't falling for the rhetoric that the children are going to starve and be left without an education while grandma is left in the 20-degree cold on the steps of the hospital just hoping and praying that she can get her broken hip fixed before she starves to death.

Gee, when O was elected, he promised jobs. - Backwards Typist

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Where are they? Oh, that's right, in the public sector...government workers.

People on this board were asking the same question about jobs almost a year after O was sworn in and most of the answers were "it takes time. Give him time". "He was just elected. You can't expect it to happen overnight"

Well, Boehner and Cantor were just elected to head the House, so give them time. Cantor has had a website called YouCut for over a year for citizens to give input on what to cut, then he would take the winning votes to the committee meetings which, btw, was controlled by the dems at that time, and voted against by those committees.

So, what's fair for one is fair for the other. Give them time. If the dems don't block everything they do in the Senate, it may just happen.

Ever hear about the will of the people? - sm

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That is what Walker has unleased nationwide amongst union, nonunion and middle-class workers. How much longer do you expect folks to sit around waiting for that trickle down thingy to happen? It. Does. Not. Work. That. Way. There is nothing wrong with wanting to be able to feed, house, educate and secure medical care one's self and family.

You have to go back to 1931 to find a tax rate for the wealthy as low as we have now under the Bush tax cuts extension. If those tax rates were to expire and be restored to pre-Bush tax cuts rates, guess what? You would STILL have to go back to 1931 to find tax rates that low.

The wealthy can afford to shoulder the "burden" of doing business in America by paying their FAIR share. Take a look at the rates they paid in the 1950s. No one is asking for 91 percent from them, which is what they paid throughout that entire decade. No matter how you choose to spin it, this is NOT asking too much and most definitely has NOTHING to do with (yawn) redistribution of wealth.

Okay...you do ME a favor. How much of the... - entire tax burden paid in

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is paid by the "rich." And by the way, just asking, are you in the group that believe $250,000 a year is rich...to be in the same category with the Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, et al crowd? REALLY???

Here are a couple of things to chew on:
Why the Rich Pay More Tax
Reason 1
Most often (no kidding) rich have high incomes. Since income taxes are based on a percentage of oneâ��s income, those with higher taxable incomes will pay more. This is just basic math. If you multiply a specific tax rate by a bigger taxable income, the product is bigger, and so is the tax bill.

Reason 2
The federal tax system is progressive. This means that the tax rates themselves increase as taxable income rises. Therefore, when you do the simple math above, both numbers (the taxable income and the tax rate) are higher for high-income earners than for those who make less. As a result, the higher wage earnerâ��s tax bill increases dramatically.

Why the Rich do NOT Pay More Tax
Reason 1
Remember, it is not gross income but taxable income (income after subtracting your deductions) that determines your income tax. Rich people are more likely to have higher deductions due to their corresponding larger mortgages, state income taxes, and property taxes. These large deductions significantly reduce the amount of wealthy people must pay.

Reason 2
Like it sounds, federal income tax is based on income-not wealth. If youÂ´re worth a million dollars yet have little taxable income, you might not pay it at all. Take the extreme example (and one Iâ��ve seen first-hand) of a multi-millionaire family where neither parent is employed nor does anything to generate significant income. Combined with an enormous mortgage deduction, they might pay no federal income tax.

And here is another one for you: this is from the New York Times.

The top 1 percent of taxpayers paid 40.42 percent of total federal income taxes in 2007, according to the most recent data from the Internal Revenue Service.

This represents the second year in a row that the richest 1 percent paid more in federal income taxes than the bottom 95 percent (not, however, the bottom 99 percent).

The majority of ALL taxes that go into the federal coffers are from the rich...40%. That is almost half of all the taxes collected. And you still think that is not enough? This government is not broke because it does not take in enough taxes. This government is broke because it pays OUT too much. That is the simplest economics! Come on. Bottom line, admit it, people envy the rich, they have it and those folks don't, and those folks want to take it from them, money they did not earn, in the form of higher taxes from them translated into programs for for those folks (I did not say you, and I don't know if that is how you feel...but if not, why do you think they should pay even more?).

Now THAT is the truth, and not a real attactive one.

If you are trying to drum up - sm

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sympathy for the poor downtrodden superrich, you have failed miserably. Eisenhower felt that 91 percent was a fair share. Guess fair is a relative concept, huh? Get a clue. This is not about envy.

Of course it is about envy. I am not trying to - get sympanthy for ANYONE.

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there is no other explanation for it. Do you think that the rich got that way without working for it? All of them? What if you were one of them? What if you worked your butt off to get where you were and all the havenots were clamoring for you to cough it up so they wouldn't have to work their butts off?

What it boils down to is this country SPENDS TOO MUCH. We have a lot of programs WE DON'T NEED. We have a lot of people fully capable of working AND for getting their own insurance, but choose not to, and why not? A roof over your head and a check and food handed to you not a bad deal.

FAIR? are you SERIOUS? What do you consider FAIR? The top 1% pay 40% of ALL taxes. If you want to look at FAIR, that is not FAIR. And that is not enough for you.

How can anyone possibly take you serious? You have bought the socialist mantra hook, line, and sinker. Obvious from "the poor downtrodden superrich."

If they weren't paying their 41%, where would your programs and freebies and government-sponsored everything be? It it were up to you and those of your philosophy, there would be nothing in the coffers.

Selfish much? I bet if you were one of that elite superrich group you would be singing a different tune.

Yep...envy, that ugly green thing. Eaten up with it.

Perhaps you are with Eisenhower and think it should be 91%....so you could take to the couch with your bon-bons and enjoy whatever the government decides to dole out to you? They would probably just give it all back to the corporations, right?

LOL. Yep. ENVY.

Speak for yourself. - sm

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Maybe you are jealous of the rich and green with envy over their wealth, but you have no idea who you are talking to and have a lot of nerve trying to speak for anyone but yourself.

I was raised in Highland Park, Dallas TX and came from a family who struck it rich in oil in the Spindletop era. My grandfather bought up what would later become a couple of zip codes in West Dallas and developed that land by constructing around 500 low income housing units and some 35 or 40 commercial establishments. After he passed in 1939, my grandmother took over and ran that business with my dad who was an attorney.

Together, they managed the properties, which they rented to the working poor, mostly Mexican-American and black tenants. I loved spending time out there with my dad and GM. People knew each other, were friendly, neighborly and community oriented. They did not have much, but whatever they had they were willing to share and never failed help each other out. My dad was a community advocate/activist who lobbied city hall for streets, sidewalks, sewage, drainage, schools, a library, park and community center. He was proud of his work and I was proud of him.

His activism was a source of shame for the rest of the bluebloods in the clan, who ostracized and mocked him constantly. By the time he was 40, he was diagnosed with manic depression. He checked himself into a Veteran's Hospital where he lived for the next 20+ years. I guess it was his only escape.

Back in HP we had a gardner and a valet/butler/chauffeur who lived in the servants quarters behind the house and a maid who took a bus crosstown to work a 40 hour week. I was raised by the maid while my mom busied herself in political activism and lived the life of a wealthy socialite. Women of wealth don't raise their own children. They hob-nob. People in that neighborhood were snooty, distant, isolative, and rarely socialized with each other. When they did get together, all they talked about was how to make, invest, guard and protect their money. Some of them were phoneys. Most of them were beyond greedy. They were suspicious of one another, gossiped like crazy and would not hesitate to stab each other in the back to make another buck. Children were to be seen and not heard. Except for the maid, who I adored, it was a very lonely place to raise a kid.

My parents divorced when I was 13 and my mom moved us to Houston where she took a job and raised 4 kids in a middle class neighborhood. My dad's family blamed her for his depression, screwed her over in the divorce, turned their backs on her and begrudgingly paid her very little court-ordered support. It was the best thing that could have happened to her and to us. We were able to stand on our own and live a normal life from that point forward. I have never once looked back.

I inherited from my GM and dad when they passed. I paid cash for a modest 1-bedroom condo and promptly donated the remainder ($927,000) to the community center and park in West Dallas that was named for my father. I wanted absolutely NOTHING to do with that blood money. So you go right ahead and lust over the super rich and all that wealth. I am quite content to languish away in my 900-sq-foot condo, where I have learned that the very best things in life are free.

BTW, this is NOT about envy.

Very good post by someone who's walked in both sets of shoes. - nm

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nm

Okay, so basically you are saying that you - agree that the rich should

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pay more than they are paying right now. Perhaps it is not about envy with you, but you HAD the money at one time and CHOSE to give it away. I was speaking about the people who have never had it and envy those who do. There is no need to blame people who worked hard for their money (you didn't, but many others have) for having it. It is envy, and wanting something without having to work for it.
Not your case, but certainly the case as a general rule...and that is exploited by people fostering a political agenda and the only way to get a lot of people rabble-roused is to give them someone to hate and blame for their circumstances.

I do admire that you gave it away. You are the exception.

My reply - sm

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How dare you assume I didn't work hard for my money? I started working when I was 15, worked all through college, was a single parent who never received a dime in child support and put in 30 years as an MT. Many years I lived paycheck to paycheck. I pay my taxes which I do not feel are excessive. Should I ever need to qualify for government funded programs such as student loans, food stamps, unemployment, SBA loans, mortgage programs, Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security or disability, I would not hesitate to apply. Why? Because I have been paying into the system for 45 years. Would not give it a second thought.

One lesson I took from my dad and my grandmother is that along with wealth comes responsibility. It was the 1950s, when their tax rate was 91 percent for the entire decade. They did not complain about their taxes. My grandmother tried to instill in her children and grandchildren the Christian concept that it was better to give than to receive and she talked a lot about giving back to the community that had brought the blessings of wealth and plenty to her table. She also treated her tenants with great respect. She extended loans to many of them and often postponed collecting rents. They respected her in return by honoring their debts to her.

As for those who want something for nothing, I saw none of that in West Dallas either. Those folks worked hard for their money and were reluctant to take charity, donations or "hand-outs" when offered. In fact, I saw a whole lot more of those something-for-nothing types in HP, where everything was handed to them on silver platters, many never worked a day in their lives and their sense of entitlement was palpable.

Something you seem to know a lot about is rabble-rousing political agendas that produce hate for certain target groups. It takes a great deal of energy to harbor that kind of negativity. I hope one day you find a way to free yourself of that burden.

Speaking of Warren Buffet, why does his secretary pay - more in taxes than he?nm

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nm

Because his income is derived totally...sm - oldtimer

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from return on his investments and, according to federal tax law, these are taxed at a much lower rate.

Evidently you are talking about a forgettable moment. - Used, discarded and disregarded.

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Carrer shill. No license required.

"spread the wealth around.." I guess if you are a - socialist, that doesn't bother ya.

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lol

I guess corporate welfare does not bother you. - nm

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Deflecting, deflecting, deflecting. LOL. - I never said corporate

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welfare does not bother me. It does. So does a union getting my tax dollars (public employees). Apparently THAT does not bother YOU. And apparently the socialist agenda does not both YOU. It DOES bother me. Yes, I have a problem with doing away with individual responsibility and putting everyone on the government tit. I have a BIG problem with that. I have a problem with people who think the government (you and me, because the government does not generate one red cent of income on its own) owes them something and are not willing to work to get it. You bet I have a problem with that.

But I guess you don't. You so envy the rich you wouldn't mind it a bit if Obama just took every dime they had as long as you got your piece of it, right?

geez.

Well said. Feel the same way. - nm

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:)

Still cant come up with those stats to back up your claim - sm

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that public workers suck more out of the tax coffers than corps, I see. Does it ever occur to you that between the collection of those tax revenues and the distribution of public workers SALARIES, there is a human being with a family who has performed a job and has EARNED their pay and benefits, the same as nonunion workers do? Once that has occurred, those dollars no longer belong to you, no more than the cents per line on your paycheck, along with your PTO, vacation and sick pay, health insurance and 401K contributions (brought to you as a result of collective bargaining by union members from days gone by) still belong to the MTSO. Do you honestly believe those benefits would have been offered to ANY worker by corporation CEOs strictly out of the goodness of their hearts? Sheesh. Engage your brain and GET OVER YOURSELF.

What a novel statement...engage your brain. - Take your own advice.

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Right back at you. YOU provide figures that show me that corporations take MORE tax dollars than public workers from our tax dollars. You can't. What I used is common sense approach and a calculator. Those two things do not support your theory, and a theory is all it is. That is all mine is. However, mine seems to hold more water than yours, because I know there are more public employees than there are corporations. Several times more. Refute that if you can, if not, stop deflecting. And don't get mad at me because you can't prove your point. That is not MY fault.

We are getting very far afield here. The thing happening in Wisconsin is not an attempt to bust unions nationwide and would not have even been necessary if they had agreed to suspend collective bargaining until Wisconsin was back in good financial shape again. It is really worth more to union members to get another raise and more bennies even if it costs their fellow Wisconsinites more in taxes? People who DO NOT already make as much as the union members and who DO NOT have those bennies? Well, apparently it is. And THAT is where my problem lies. It is not with unions in general, as I think they came about for a good reason...however, money and power and greed has corrupted them like so many other good ideas gone bad. But again I digress.

Of course I know there are people with families who earned their pay and benefits...do YOU understand that to continue to pay that pay and benefits and bargain for MORE before Wisconsin gets back in good financial shape, it was going to put a terrible burden on the nonunion people in the state of Wisconsin?? Who is going to help THEM pay higher taxes so that the union members can continue to enjoy their bounty on the backs of the nonunion people in Wisconsin? Can you not find any compassion in your heart for THEM? No one was asking the union members to give anything back...just be happy with what they had (which is more than the majority of the nonunion folks) until the state was solvent again. Where is your compassion for THOSE people? What, pray tell, is SO WRONG with that??

With all due respect, you lost me in your benefits rant. And by the way, there are a lot of people who have decent benefits and wages who are not unionized. Try looking at UPS and FedEx. Some companies do NOT need a union to do good by their employees.

And stop with the insults, would you. It is stuff like this that makes me have no trouble believing a Wisconsin teacher told that Fox reporter that she hated him because she enjoyed it. lol.

Back in early 2009 he was a war correspondent - sm

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for Pajamas Media, who sent him off to Israel to report on "average Joe's" stories from the region. He made speeches at CPAC and various Tea Party protests, conferences and events. He campaigned for Steve Lonegan for Governor, a 2-time loser of that bid. He quit the GOP mid year and made more Tea Party circuit rounds. At a political event for failed Pennsylvania gubernatorial candidate Sam Rohrer, he was interviewed by a reporter, who he complained to bitterly of how McCain had used him and screwed up his life.

He published a book bomb entitled Joe the Plumber: Fighting for the American Dream, in which he trashed McCain and Michael Steele, who he accused of wanting to convert conservatism into a Hip-Hop. He cut some commercials for a flat-tax scheme and around this time last year he blogged for Breitbart. He did put in an appearance in Wisconsin at the Tea Party counter-protests.

AND NOW FOR THE BIG, BIG NEWS. Right TV is giving him his own talk show that will be called Whaddya Know, Joe? Lame but true nonetheless.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_the_plumber

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wFbnPQZDYo

http://biggovernment.com/jwurzelbacher/2010/03/01/it-is-time-for-a-new-tax-revolt/

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