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What a freaking disgrace we are! A very sad day for America! nm

Posted: Dec 9, 2014

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speechless - FT/MT

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How about a few details so we can at least empathize??

unfortunately, there are people who don't want to be accountable for things they say. - nm

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I knew instantly what she was talking about. - nm

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I am beyond heartbroken. We have been screaming for.... - sm

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transparency but never expected this.

Those that believe the United States is evil will - MT63

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soon discover what real evil is if they get their wish and the United States is destroyed.

what are you talking about here? - sm

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what are you referring to? A little explanation would be nice.

Before we freak out, please tell us what - we're freaking out about

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What have I missed?

Are you talking about the CIA report about - torture?

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I'm looking online at Fox News and CNN. I think you're referring to the "torture" report. This is sickening, yes, but so is ISIS cutting heads off children.

Indeed - Patriot

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Both are terrible evils. But one wonders what point you're trying to make by bringing up the crimes of ISIS in relation to the crimes of the CIA.

CIA report comes on the heels of releasing prisoners from - in response to your hit and run strategy

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Gitmo. With our now open borders policy, do you think they will make their way back here, or how about ISIS?

Did you hear the rebuttal by the CIA director?

“First of all, the CIA workforce will feel as if it has been tried and convicted in absentia since the Senate Democrats and their staff didn’t talk to anyone actively involved in the program. Second, this will be used by our enemies to motivate people to attack Americans and American facilities overseas,” said Hayden.

“There are countries out there who have cooperated with us on the war on terror at some political risk that are relying on American discretion,” said Hayden. “I can’t imagine anyone out there going forward in the future who would be willing to do anything that even smacks of political danger.”

I'm now even more concerned for my family's future. Have a nice day.

Perfect example of watch what the other hand is doing - and deflection from Gruber, and

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of course Blame bush. What is the definition of torture. Panties on the head is not torture.

If torture doesn't work, and if waterboarding demonstrably DID work, then doesn't that move waterboarding out of the category of "torture"?
And the flip side:

And if waterboarding IS torture, and if waterboarding works, then we have to admit that torture works, and then we have to justify not using something that we know works even when millions of lives may be at risk.

Which is more moral? Torturing a person who has guilty knowledge that a school bus full of kid will be blown up to get information to possibly prevent it or not torturing and have the bus blow up?

There is a great article in Townhall about this. Pity not many here will read it.

This report is centered on activity during the Bush years, they don't dare - touch the Obama years

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What if the CIA leadership got together and did a scorched earth thing, releasing every unsavory and damaging bit of data on every democrat voting to allow the release of the report.

Feinstein is just angry the CIA was spying on her computer.

The timing of this is just way to coincidental.

Go into your local diner and ask people who Gruber is. - I'm back

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Wait for the blank looks.

Nobody knows who he is. there is no deflection from Gruber.

Now it does make the GOP look bad, that's for sure.

I blame the MSM. They should be reporting - what Jonathan Gruber said,

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and all the videos.

GOP planned to block Torture report - sm

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If the torture report had been delayed, the new Republican Senate was planning to bury it and not release it at all.

It is despicable. These Republicans have no shame.

Strategy - Patriot

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"Hit and run strategy"???

You mean, asking a question?

I understand - you automatically attack anything you see my handle on. I might as well be named Obama.

I won't sign mine anymore -- just keeps 'em - guessing--they might

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actually read it before they decide what they think about it.

ISIS has not a THING to do with this report - don't compare apples to oranges

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this report has to do with history WAY before ISIS was developed.

AND guess who helped make ISIS a reality by DESTABLIZING IRAQ? yep that would be us!

The CIA saved lives... - CIA fires back...

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“A powerful example of the interrogation program’s importance is the information obtained from Abu Zubaydah, a senior al Qaeda operative, and from Khalid Sheik Muhammed, known as KSM, the 9/11 mastermind,” the former directors write. “We are convinced that both would not have talked absent the interrogation program.”

As for Osama bin Laden, the former directors outline the steps that led the Navy SEALs to the Bin Laden’s compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan.

“The CIA never would have focused on the individual who turned out to be bin Laden’s personal courier without the detention and interrogation program,” they write. “So the bottom line is this: The interrogation program formed an essential part of the foundation from which the CIA and the U.S. military mounted the bin Laden operation.”

Torture - Patriot

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I expect this is about the torture information that was revealed today. Horrible stuff indeed. We all kind of knew it was happening, but that doesn't take the shock out of really knowing, seeing it on paper.

We sacrificed the fundamental decency, the spirit, of our nation in the pursuit of stopping terrorism.

A very sad day indeed.

And it seems, by all reports, all 1000 pages of - it revealed the torture

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derived very little credible info.

Yes, I edited my message, because, frankly, I didn't think it made much sense, or could have easily been misinterpreted. Hope I didn't mess up your "likes" or "dislikes!"

What little I heard, it seems, as often suspected - Cheney was the "brainless"

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behind the throne. Bush looks appropriately bewildered in every shot of him they throw up on the screen.

Some part of report said that the CIA knew not to tell Powell because he would "blow his stack."

I think the report. said Bush, Powell and Rumsfeld.....sm - Rosie

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were unaware. Was any mention made of Cheney?

Bush and Cheney are evil, evil men - nm

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Evil - Patriot

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I was never a fan of Bush Jr, but I never really considered him evil. He was stupid, yes, and easily led by the more powerful personalities around him. And just a bit too close to Dominionists for my comfort. But not evil.

Cheney, though,yeah. Evil right through. I used to think he was 'just' a money-hungry crook, but the more perspective we get, the clearer his true nature becomes.

Bush was president, though, and so every bit as responsible for the atrocities commited under his administration.

As time goes by more convinced that "There is a - town in TX missing its idiot."

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And a village in Kenya... - sm

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...missing it's...

There is actual proof Bush is from Texas! - nm

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Odd, that the first several posts cannot describe - the Republican admin

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Under Pres. Bush committed unspeakable acts of torture that gained very little "intelligence" or information, and were nothing more than cruel, primitive and barbaric, proving to be no better than some of the criminals they sought to discover and detain.

It has continued on and it happened before them - Evil goes past just

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George and Dick. Whether or not people want to believe it, it is continuing on. It is not the whole party (talking bout both republican and democrat) it is certain individuals and they happen to be in both parties.

Evil doesn't lie in a party, evil lies in individuals. They just happen to be in both parties.

Nothing is done by accident and there are people over them directing what will happen.

It's not in just one party.

I have to say I am PHYSICALLY ILL - Two weeks before Christmas

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Did the Geneva Conventions mean NOTHING?

Do we NOT understand torture was banned so that ANY CAPTURED/surrendered soldier would not be subjected to this type of treatment?

We don't get to pretend IT'S OKAY to torture because of 911 - remember the war with Iraq was based on LIES. So then we torture ON TOP OF THAT?!!

And just how many enemies did we EARN with this policy?

WE HAVE TO LEARN THAT SICK FOREIGN POLICY comes with a price!

Patriots: MAKE SOME NOISE AND LET YOUR GOVERNMENT KNOW this will not stand.

Three people were waterboarded 10 years ago, - No sympathy for terrorists

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we caught Bin Laden because of it. I'll save my sympathies for the victims of 9-11. This is about going after the CIA because they were curious how Senate Democrat obtained highly classified information and made that information public, and Dianne Feinstein wanted payback. So now our enemies know our secrets.

I'm sure our allies in the intelligence world will never - trust us again. We are

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now completely isolated.

They have specifically said we did not get - Bin Laden from torture results

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How do you feel about the rectal hydration and hypothermia?

Whereas, the U.S. may look bad, I am not certain I think our "enemies" know anything more than they could have made up on their own.

Now revealing the CIA station in Benghazi, that was stupid. When the admin was trying not to name details of the Benghazi situation during those first days, our "secrets" should have been kept. But, Republicans were so hot to catch a Democrat at something inappropriate they put the CIA out there for everyone to nit-pick and Learn.

I agree, sad day for USA to have Congress expose our - secrets and divide us from within,

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and I think all the Anglo-Saxon nations are going the same way, the US is just in the lead.

As the older generation dies off, American culture becomes more socially liberal. Years ago, this behave in the Senate would have been considered traitorous embolding the enemy.

Merry Christmas.

Years ago, US would not have committed torture - John Wayne

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The Republicans are such hypocrites talking about how they want transparency, yet want to bury their shame and cry "foul" when they are exposed.

Secrets??? - Patriot

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The only thing sad about this is that our leaders - acting in our name - committed war crimes. Their actions have left the blood on our hands!

There is nothing traitorous about dragging these sins into the light of day. That's the only way we'll ever be able to atone for them, put them behind us, and ensure they never happen again.

NOW what? - Details?

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I've got some oceanfront property in Arizona for sale. - Please contact me by email.

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Dirt cheap, too.

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