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US spying to trump economy at EU summit


Posted: Oct 24, 2013

US spying to trump economy at EU summit Related › Merkel outraged after NSA allegedly tapped her phone › Germany budging on banking union Berlin - It's a diplomat's nightmare: after weeks of painstakingly negotiating and rewriting the wording of the EU council's conclusions, the summit gets hijacked by a completely different topic. With no urgent decisions to take on the economic front, EU leaders on Thursday and Friday (24-25 October) were supposed to focus on innovation and "refitting" the EU rules machinery so it focuses more on the "big things" and less on small issues. Germany was pressing ahead with its demands for more scrutiny and "binding contracts" between governments and the EU commission ensuring "ownership of reforms" at national level in return for a vague promise of "solidarity mechanisms." But then the news broke Wednesday night that Chancellor Angela Merkel's mobile phone may have been tapped by the US intelligence agency NSA. Merkel at once phoned Barack Obama. The US president said that the agency is and will not be spying on her. But a White House spokesman could not confirm that the NSA has not done so in the past. With France also having recently been irked by media reports that the NSA snooped massively on French citizens' phonecalls, leaders' attention is likely to be diverted to how to respond to this affair. To date they have managed to keep relatively quiet about the revelations by former CIA contractor Edward Snowden about the extent of US surveillance abroad. The European Parliament on Wednesday upped the pressure as well, asking leaders and the EU commission to halt a data agreement allowing the US to sweep through banking transfers on the lookout for terrorism funding. Meanwhile, the fallout of the Lampedusa tragedy - where hundreds of African refugees died off the Italian coast - is also on the minds of leaders, with southern countries demanding more EU help. Italian Prime Minister Enrico Letta has urged European leaders to bolster Frontex border agency and speed up the creation of Eurosur, a satellite-and-drone surveillance programme to detect migrant ships in trouble. He told the Italian Parliament on Tuesday Italy "will not accept cut-price compromises" from the summit on the matter. Malta's Prime Minister Joseph Muscat and his Spanish counterpart Mariano Rajoy also asked for the EU to share their burden, particularly as more refugees from Syria are expected to arrive in Europe. But leaders are likely to defer any concrete decisions until after the May 2014 EU elections, according to the latest draft of council conclusions leaked to the Financial Times. Compared to previous drafts, the latest version marks another victory for Germany, who got its way on setting a deadline - December - for beefing up the commission's powers on economic reforms in member states. Berlin's main grouch with increasing "solidarity mechanisms" - the latest being a link between the eurozone bailout fund, backed up by taxpayers, and banks in need for more capital - is that reforms are abandoned as soon as the economy slightly improves. "We have country-specific recommendations - but an evaluation by the European Central Bank shows that only ten percent of last year's recommendations were implemented. That's why we need to look at ways on how to improve the situation," a German official told journalists in Berlin on Wednesday. In return, Germany seems to be budging on the so-called banking union. Apart from the single supervision of 130 largest banks in the eurozone, Germany has so far been reluctant to back a new "single resolution mechanism" that would have the power to shut down failing banks and tell creditors, shareholders and ultimately taxpayers to foot the bill. A proposal by the EU commission earlier this summer was flatly rejected by Berlin. The German government still has objections - particularly when it comes to national parliaments which are not mentioned in the proposal - but now eyes a deal by December. ;

Hope this slows down the disastrous free trade deal (sm) - Sum Tin Wong

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with the EU.

The free trade deals the U.S. negotiates always increase - the flow of wealth into our nation. Now,

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how it's distributed among us -- that has nothing to do with free trade agreements. Look to the giant sucking sound engineered by special interests -- with the considerable aid of conservatives who thought that protecting business was a way of protecting their own incomes (uhuh, we know how that turned out). BTW, we CAN do something about that when we finally make up our minds to.

As for lost jobs, those of us who are MTs understand that all too well, but the big villain is really the inexorable technological change we've all seen throughout our lifetimes -- with no signs of slowing down. Thirty years ago I listened to a cabinet secretary explain that we should all should expect to change their lines of work an average 5 times over our lifetimes.

The way to fix our problems isn't by slowing down the flow of wealth into our country, it's retraining for the new jobs being developed AND insisting on fair pay for that work. That's where a fight that can be won is, and should be.

Protectionism and refusing to retrain? Against the giant forces of technological change? Against the urge of a free market economy to engage in profitable trade with what has become a very accessible planet? Against inflation and the reality that new wealth has to be brought IN to replenish the wealth consumed through use?

Might as well try to fight gravity. Guaranteed to lose. Sort of like saving money in a mattress, demanding a job that's disappeared be restored, and refusing to buy anything that's not made locally. It may sound to some like taking a principled stand, but it just won't work.

I disagree, any free trade with the EU will force (sm) - Sum Tin Wong

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the US to adhere to the EUs economically destructive environmental rules.
But what's that have to do with your declining income - over the past 30+ years? The same 30 years
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that built a billionaire class we didn't have in 1970, when most people felt they were able to live the American Dream?

We can't address our problems if we're too busy chasing balloons.

I mean, do you really care if you have to live with cleaner air and water if abandoning that fight for another meant you could make your income return to what it once was? I strongly recommend ignoring the distraction of the evil environmental regulation boogie being waved at you and start focusing on fair pay. I personally would greatly appreciate it.

Remember "United we stand, divided we fall?" We've fallen.
What does that have to do with NSA spying? sm - Sum Tin Wong
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I am of the opinion that the spying of Chancellor Merkel completely dismisses the claim that the NSA programs are just about stopping terrorists.

Obviously I can make a point about an out control agency.
I wish Obama would learn from Merkel's - responsible fiscal policy.
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People think their phone is secure until they realize it's not.
which economically destructive environmental rules? - Hin Fo Mee Sing
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flow of wealth?? - seems to me that wealth

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is flowing just the opposite way! WE give them the money, they do not give us. We purchase their crapola products, and they take our money. That's not free trade. I can bet they do not purchase our products in return.
What trade deficits we have aren't BECAUSE of trade - agreements. They result from other
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factors and are LESSENED by the trade agreements we negotiate. There are real benefits to being the largest, wealthiest nation in the world. We're not some little guy getting screwed over by the big players.
but we are not the largest or the - wealthiest any longer
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we are a nation of fools run by elitists and corrupt individuals who try to buy their way into or out of any given situation. We have no respect from any other country any longer and all they want to do is relieve us of any money. Trading goods has nothing to do with it any longer, and any benefits had in prior times are long gone now. This is "realism". Yours is just fantasyland.
The way we distribute wealth WITHIN our largest, - wealthiest country is something else.
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You know, anyone who's discovered she doesn't like being a fool in a country run by elitists and corrupt people should join progressive voters to FIX it. For the past 30 years, while strong conservatives supported the very policies that took power and wealth away from them and placed it in the hands of a few, progressives always knew that was unbelievably stupid and irresponsible. Maybe now that people are waking up to this it's time for us to join together to stop it and change direction?

Every single one of these corrupt officials was voted into power by us. We can, and have a duty to, vote them right out again.

There is an important election coming up in 2014. Instead of voting against the other side, how about voting FOR good governance? A change in OUR behavior so profound it amounts to a mini revolution?
We don't make anyproducts to buy... - exaggerating but
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more true than not.

i am all for FAIR trade, NOT so called 'FREE' trade.

This is a painful viewpoint - but correct

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However, even if you do have motivation to change careers in the sense you are sick of what our career has turned into for instance, some impetus needs to be there to offer some security for the training and job prospects via either some sort of apprenticeship type thing OR a private entity who will train and employ people for these new jobs. It would be, after all, highly beneficial to the entire country if we can rejuvenate our manufacturing, energy, technology sectors and maintain a well trained and well paid workforce.

The net that is supposed to catch people who are unemployed, disabled, ill, etc., has become extremely weak and people are hanging onto their crappy $10/hr jobs for dear life.

If someone offered me an opportunity to retrain with a minimal training salary and a guaranteed job at the end of it, I would be there working my guts out, but that would never happen with the combination of crazy ideology and resistance to new technology (such as solar power) which our current congress exhibits.

Personal responsibility seems to mean you are supposed to take lower and lower wages, you are demeaned if you don't try to find a new career when you are struggling to survive already on $10/hr, you are supposed to know what that new career is and pore through all the catalogs and education options at your own expense and time to find one that may or may not be also obsolete by the time you finish at great cost to yourself.

Sometimes I think the military has the right idea in that (I don't have firsthand knowledge, but I think this is how they do it) they test you and find what you would be good at, they then train you for a position at their expense you have tested to be good at, and at the end of it you have had free training, they have trained someone with aptitude for a position they need filled. We could learn something from that.
Sorry, but I don't agree that personal responsibility - ever could or did equate to having someone else
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take on the responsibility of retraining us, telling us what we need to do to take care of ourselves, taking us by the hand and presenting us with a nice little job. Nor has it ever included sitting around hoping employers will decide (out of the goodness of their hearts?) to pay us more than we ask for.

Nuts to that. No Daddy Government or Daddy Corporation, or Daddy Colonel for that matter, makes my decisions for me.

We have a duty to act like the grownups we are, and that means taking care of ourselves PLUS meeting our duties to society at large.

BTW? I HAVE comprehensively trained and retrained four times in forty years, each time involving making big choices to move up to something better, taking college classes toward it, working apprenticeships, and making significant monetary sacrifices before ending up better off than before.

Taking on new challenges and doing new work is fun. The whole change to MT, admittedly eventually something of a mistake, was to be able to move from city to country and "retire while working." So I never imagined such good money could turn into so little? Oh, well. The only reasons I didn't just engage in the adventure yet again (what field would I choose this time?!) is that I have to guard my health these days and because we can live okay on what we have accumulated.

I recommend deciding on a few things one would LIKE to do, identifying a position that would pay WELL (not just okay) for doing one of them, and going for it.

A lifelong liberal
Pay us more than we ask for? - Therein lies the problem
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You suppose there is bargaining chip. There is not anymore. It seems no matter what job you go for, the corporations, MTSOs, whatever, are just out to cut their bottom line and no matter what you might ask for, tough on you.

So I think the missing element is you might be taking your personality responsibility seriously. They are not.

Daddy corporation needs to be regulated so he pays fairly. If you are truly a lifelong liberal, perhaps you are aware of the great concentration of wealth at the top and the dearth down below. That is not just market forces and globalization, it is corporations lowering people's wages, taking their pensions, lowering their benefits as much as they can possibly get away with and not paying any taxes.

So you want to identify a position that pays well and go for it? Better make sure it's not something that will also be offshored, pay cut, just because they can and they will. The only two I can think of are corporate CEO or congressman.
Agree completely. Except for the "only two." There - are no guarantees in this world,
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but that's way to pessimistic. There are literally thousands of good choices to make, and this country has millions of working couples who can afford to remodel their kitchens and tour Greece over the holidays. IMO, the best way to be careful is to make choices that put you on the "haves" side of the earnings chasm that also have built-in doors sideways or up -- i.e, other, related jobs that could be trained for relatively quickly and inexpensively.

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