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The smoking gun

Posted: Feb 15, 2013

'Looking forward to Monday night special.

'HUBRIS: SELLING THE IRAQ WAR'

Join Rachel Maddow for the step-by-step true story of how the American people were sold on the Iraq war. Premieres February 18th at 9pm E.T./ 6pm P.T. on MSNBC.

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What about us patriotic protestors who tried to tell this story in 2002!!?? - Fairminded

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Of course we were slammed as UNpatriotric and SADDAM-LOVERS by the ignorant, but even those who sort of knew better did not rally to support us in numbers that MIGHT have made a difference.

I am going to watch and think "I told you so." - sm

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I came to think of it as the "drumbeat of war." There was no stopping it, and a good portion of the U.S. seemed to be in a trance.

Then I watched in horror when Bush was re-elected by saying "stay the course" and Kerry was Swiftboated.

Actually, I believe the Nobel prize that President Obama won was actually a sigh of relief from the world community.

Oxymoron - Maddow and Truth

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That's a laugh.

How so? - (NM)

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I was never "sold," and I wasn't against it knee-jerk, - either. I waited for the explanation

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of why we needed to go there but never got a credible one--just instructions from the President not to worry about it but just go shopping.

I listened to the stream of top retired generals, ex-presidents, ex-ambassadors, ex- heads of intelligence agencies, scientists, etc., etc., etc. come forward to explain, on TV and radio and in print media, from every possible perspective why there was no reason to invade Iraq and many reasons not to.

My question is, with the information needed so readily available, how on earth could people deceive THEMSELVES into supporting this invasion?

President Bush even went on TV and 3 times in as many days that I heard called it a "crusade." Literally stopped me cold the first time I heard it as I walked across the living room. But then he stopped THAT; apparently the feedback wasn't good.

As we know, the feedback wasn't nearly negative enough, though. This was a failure of citizenship even more than leadership.

But we can't afford to wait for an explanation from a goverment who lies about the reasons for - Fairminded

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Unfortunately the media worked hand in glove with the Bush regime to lie us into that fake war, but it IS on us - if we don't active protest (after doing our own due dilligence aka research)...

the American public has been sadly and systematically trained not to rock the boat. It could be our undoing.

The day of the announcement, Bush didn't actually - say WHY. I listened carefully and ended up

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wondering if there was something he felt he couldn't explain right them (yeah, I know, but it really can happen). His ending by telling us not to bother ourselves about it, that he'd take care of it and we should just go shopping was not encouraging. But my mind was open and I reserved opinion because a necessary war could start during any party's administration.

Look at that excellent one his dad presided over. Over 100 nations officially, and most of the others unofficially, supported and took part in the First Gulf War--to keep the peace.

Sorry but you've been misinformed :) - Fairminded

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The first Bush War was not an "excellent" war - it too was trumped up - do a little research :) you'll see.

Just because "more" nations supported this effort that in and of itself does not mark a military effort as 'worthy' or 'just'.

and the LAST thing Bush War 1 was for was to "keep the peace."

Of course it benefited us, and 150 other nations, - but--as wars go--

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Well, "excellent" was probably the wrong word to describe any war. :)

It was an excellent way, relatively speaking, to meet this potentially planet-destabilizing event. Until we all cut free from Mideast oil, threats of serious disruptions are threats of planetary disaster. Here in this country, a global economic crash that'd make 2008 look like a blip on a graph might not result in much actual starvation, but the same cannot be said for many other areas.

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