Something tells me there is more to this story... - sam

I respect your opinion, but it's not about one man's "discomfort" imo - Happy MT Robin

I also respect your opinion.... - sam

Are you ready for a long reply, opinion, and more? - Backwards Typist

Aw heck. Even if you're not ready for this, here I go. Sorry, but this will be a VERY long reply. I spent nearly 3 hours searching for information on Mother Jones, Foundation for National Progress, and others that were recipients of grants/loans/”donations”. I chose parts of the article you posted and my thoughts underneath of some of them underneath those quoted parts. I then posted a few interesting facts on these foundations and made my opinion/comments at the end.

1.  “The previous month, a Spanish human rights group called the Association for the Dignity of Spanish Prisoners had requested that Spain's National Court indict six former Bush officials for, as the cable describes it, "creating a legal framework that allegedly permitted torture."

There were no Spanish prisoners in Gitmo that I know about and if there were, there is no evidence they were tortured. This case is frivolous.

2. “Zaragoza informed the US embassy that the complaint might not be legally sound. He noted he would ask Cándido Conde-Pumpido, Spain's attorney general, to review whether Spain had jurisdiction.”

Spain does not have jurisdiction across the world. If so, they could indict anyone in any country for any charge. It is the U.N. who has jurisdiction, not an individual country.

3.  “Attorney General Conde-Pumpido publicly declared that he would not support the criminal complaint, calling it "fraudulent" and political. If the Bush officials had acted criminally, he said, then a case should be filed in the United States.”

This is the totally correct stance that should have been taken in the very beginning.

4. “Back when it seemed that this case could become a major international issue, during an April 14, 2009, White House briefing, I asked press secretary Robert Gibbs if the Obama administration would cooperate with any request from the Spaniards for information and documents related to the Bush Six. He said, "I don't want to get involved in hypotheticals."”

That is also the correct stance. Hypotheticals don’t belong in a press conference. Facts do.

 In my opinion, the facts are that water boarding was used and good information gleaned. Only liberals call it torture. I certainly don’t - in fact, I favored it because it saved lives of our citizens and military.  Yet, do the liberals come out against our military and journalists being tortured or killed by beheading? Not a bit. Why so quiet about Daniel Perlman (sp), Viet Nam POWs, Iraq military torture and murder of our troops. Nary a peep from anyone against the Taliban or Al-Qaeda (or however you spell it now) using torture, but let America do it and all he11 breaks loose.

 Lastly, MOTHER JONES is not the type of internet site I read often. They claim nonprofit status and state they are under the umbrella of the Foundation for National Progress. Michael Moore was one of their editors in the past. That tells me they are not exactly fair in their reporting.

MOTHER JONES magazine claims to be a non-profit "Foundation for National Progress." Yet MOTHER JONES magazine took in nearly $6 million in annual revenues in 2000, including $822,358 from the sale of advertising space and $176,140 from renting out its subscriber list. From this gross income of $6 million in 2000, MOTHER JONES/Foundation for National Progress then paid out the following salaries to its top alternative media executives.  

http://207.153.189.83/EINS/942282759/942282759_2000_00023925.pdf

or go here for IRS reports up to 2008: 

http://www.eri-nonprofit-salaries.com/index.cfm?FuseAction=NPO.Form990&EIN=942282759&Year=2010

MOTHER JONES/Foundation for National Progress also spent $247,000 on fund-raising in 2000; and its board of directors included Anita Roddick of the Body Shop, Kadima Foundation Chair Chara Schreyer, HKH Foundation director Harriet Barlow and MOTHER JONES magazine founder Adam Hochschild. Hochschild also has set up the Adam Hochschild Charitable Trust/Sequoia Fund, whose stated tax-exempt purpose is to "promote the charitable literary and educational purposes of Foundation for National Progress." According to its 2000 report, the Adam Hochschild Charitable Trust/Sequoia Fund apparently did this by contributing $2.4 million worth of stock to MOTHER JONES/Foundation for National Progress. As a result, $1,176,617 worth of Wal Mart Stores stock (19,082 shares) was apparently owned by MOTHER JONES/Foundation for National Progress in 2001.

Besides receiving money from Bill Moyers' Schumann Foundation and the Hochschild Charitable Trust/Sequoia Fund of one its own board members, another interesting connection to the world of Establishment foundations exists at MOTHER JONES magazine. In 1997, the wife of MOTHER JONES/Foundation for National Progress board member Adam Hochschild--University of California-Berkeley Professor of Sociology Arlie Russell Hochschild--was given a $3 million grant by the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation "to establish a Center for Working Families" at UC-Berkeley, which she now directs. Among the Establishment folks who presently sit on the board of trustees of the Sloan Foundation which funds UC-Berkeley Professor Arlie Russell Hochschild's center is former Secretary of the Air Force Sheila Widnall--who presently represents MIT on the board of trustess of the Pentagon's weapons research think-tank: the Institute for Defense Analyses (www.ida.org). Other members of the Sloan Foundation board include former chairmen of the General Motors, JP Morgan and Morgan Stanley corporate boards and two other MIT professors. In 1991, the wife of MOTHER JONES/Foundation for National Progress board member Hochschild also was apparently given a grant by the Ford Foundation.

The Schumann Foundation is also a liberal, anti-capitalism effort. Read more here:

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/funderprofile.asp?fndid=5183&category=79

An excerpt: “Its grant-making is directed heavily toward organizations whose values are anti-corporate, anti-free market, and anti-capitalist. As expressed by its President, Bill Moyers of PBS (Public Broadcasting Service) fame, SCMD deems the United States a nation rife with economic injustice; the remedy it prescribes is a socialist, redistributionist economic model. Says Moyers: "A profound transformation is occurring in America. Inequality is greater than it's been since 1929. Forty years ago, the gap in terms of wealth between the top 20 percent and the bottom 20 percent was 30-fold. Now it's more than 75-fold.”

Recipients of recurring Schumann Foundation grants during the 1990s, ranging from under $100,000 to more than $5 million annually, include the Tides Foundation and Tides Center (we all know they are), Environmental Working Group, Union of Concerned Scientists, Natural Resources Defense Council, Western Organization of Resource Councils, Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy, Center for Medial and Democracy, The Nation, Mother Jones, In These Times, TomPaine.com, and The American Prospect. The campaign finance reform advocacy organization, Public Campaign received over $1 million for its work in 2006.

My opinion again:  I definitely believe all these groups are intertwined to undermine our current government policies AND, if you notice, most of these groups give grants/loans back and forth to the other groups. It’s a shame and a sham.

To search for any foundation and find out information on any individual, you can go here:

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/search/

Wow! Thanks for posting! - sam

Were you able to prove they didn't work - together?