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Interesting article put out by the AP


Posted: May 27, 2012

My apologies that it is not current or if it has already been posted/discussed, but I just read it.    

 

Is Joe Biden going to be our interim President before the end of this year?

December 29, 2011 By

VERY QUIETLY OBAMA’S CITIZENSHIP CASE REACHES THE SUPREME COURT

AP - WASHINGTON D.C. -

In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama’s qualifications for the presidency, the group “Americans for Freedom of Information” has Released copies of President Obama’s college transcripts from Occidental College … Released today, the transcript school indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate. The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California. The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program. To qualify, for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship.

This document would seem to provide the smoking gun that many of Obama’s detractors have been seeking. Along with the evidence that he was first born in Kenya and there is no record of him ever applying for US citizenship, this is looking pretty grim. The news has created a firestorm at the White House as the release casts increasing doubt about Obama’s legitimacy and qualification to serve as President article titled, “Obama Eligibility Questioned,” leading some to speculate that the story may overshadow economic issues on Obama’s first official visit to the U.K. In a related matter, under growing pressure from several groups, Justice Antonin Scalia announced that the Supreme Court agreed on Tuesday to hear arguments concerning Obama’s legal eligibility to serve as President in a case brought by Leo Donofrio of New Jersey . This lawsuit claims Obama’s dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as president.. Donofrio’s case is just one of 18 suits brought by citizens demanding proof of Obama’s citizenship or qualification to serve as president.

Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation has released the results of their investigation of Obama’s campaign spending. This study estimates that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in the past year with eleven law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block disclosure of any of his personal records. Mr. Kreep indicated that the investigation is still ongoing but that the final report will be provided to the U.S. Attorney general, Eric Holder. Mr. Holder has refused to comment on the matter…

LET OTHER FOLKS KNOW THIS NEWS, THE MEDIA WON’T!

Subject: RE: Issue of Passport?

While I’ve little interest in getting in the middle of the Obama birth issue, Paul Hollrah over at FSM did so yesterday and believes the issue can be resolved by Obama answering one simple question: What passport did he use when he was shuttling between New York , Jakarta , and Karachi ?

So how did a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981, without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later?

And once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York , Jakarta , and Karachi , what passport was he offering when he passed through Customs and Immigration?

The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions, they must have answers. It makes the debate over Obama’s citizenship a rather short and simple one.

Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20?

A : Yes, by his own admission.

Q: What passport did he travel under?

A: There are only three possibilities.

1) He traveled with a U.S. … Passport,

2) He traveled with a British passport, or

3) He traveled with an Indonesia passport.

Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981?

A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. .. State Department’s “no travel” list in 1981

Conclusion: When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport.

If he were traveling with a British passport that would provide proof that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims.. And if he were traveling with an Indonesian passport that would tend to prove that he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967.

Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how he managed to become a “natural born” American citizen between 1981 and 2008.

Given the destructive nature of his plans for America, as illustrated by his speech before Congress and the disastrous spending plan he has presented to Congress, the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the better.

 

 

 

http://politicstoday.biz/59883/is-joe-biden-going-to-be-our-interim-president-before-the-end-of-this-year/

 

 

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More fiction - mbmt

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So you don't think it's important - sm

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That a person who applies for the position of President of the United States have to prove where he was born? Do you think that democrat politicians should get a free pass on having to provide this information while republicans are required to show it? I've read your posts on this board and you always seem well informed on issues, but it makes me wonder if you understand why we have certain rules in place. Not anyone is allowed to apply. If so we would have Ahmadinijab or Putin running for president.

This is an important issue to a lot of people. It's not democrat versus republican or right versus left or hate versus love or black versus white (which there are a lot of black people asking this also). For someone to not feel they should show a bc (a real one that is and not some poorly photoshopped piece of paper) is just wrong and not fair to the people. And if someone isn't showing one and passing off a fake piece of paper that has been created with photoshop has to make you wonder what their motives are and who they are really working for. I would think the same thing no matter who it was, McCain, Bush, Clinton, anyone. For me it's not one party is required to provide certain proof but the other is not. It should be the same rules for everyone. Unfortunately it is not and has never been the same rules for him. He showed a poorly photoshopped certificate claiming it was his bc, but then upon close inspection they found someone elses name underneath. Then they tried to fix that and created another one, which once again was flawed. Simply because it's not the real thing.

It's an important issue to a lot of us. I know there are those who don't want to know the truth and wish people wouldn't bring it up, but it's important for the welfare of our country. We HAVE to know that whoever becomes president is loyal to our country and not undermining it for the other countries they are loyal to (that's not directed at Obama, it's just a general statement).

I guess I just don't understand why you don't think it's important that he provide an official document that everyone else has to.

Besides, if it comes prove that he was not born here, so you get another democrat in. That's all there is to it. Plus there are a lot of black politicians so people who are interested only in the color of his skin could pick another person of color. Sounds like a win win scenario. Get someone who will provide the required documents, get someone who is black, and someone who is a democrat. There are plenty of people who fit that description.

It HAS BEEN PROVEN - sm

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He HAS SHOWN IT. Starting back in 2008 FOUR YEARS AGO. He has shown it OVER AND OVER AND OVER again. The REPUBLICAN governor of Hawaii has seen it and VERIFIED it is legitimate. HE IS AN AMERICAN CITIZEN AND ELIGIBLE TO BE PRESIDENT. How many ways does it need to be shown, said, verified? If you still dont believe that is YOUR problem not President Obama's.

What cracks me up is there was a member of congress serving on the Intelligence Committee who had DUAL CITIZENSHIP with another country. She was also attempting to run for President. Where do HER loyalties lie?
NO IT HASN'T - We're talking about the real one - get it?
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STOP YELLING!!! I CAN YELL RIGHT BACK AT YA. THE "REAL" BC HASN'T BEEN SHOWN YET! THAT IS WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT.

Sorry, not falling for some poorly photoshopped piece of paper.

There are also ongoing investigations as to the people who claim they have seen and verified it.

Get it?

As for the dual citizenship person. No I don't believe they should run either.
Could care less - GOT IT
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Like I said...its your problem. You were never gonna vote for Obama anyway so its not his problem. Now Mitt's problem, independents and moderates who are undecided...they dont like having their intelligence insulted by insinuating they should believe the birthers, they dont like him basically admitting he is pandering..."But I gotta get 50.1%". What a stand-up kinda guy that Romney is.
LOL. The simple basic logic in your post - is right on the mark
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Such voices of reason undoubtedly will continue to befuddle birther zealots. Hard to fathom they still cannot grock what a liability their delusions are for the GOP.
Go Ron Paul/Dennis Kucinich - No you DONT GET it - sm
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You don't know me so as they say back the bus up, my stop is not where yours is. Oh I voted for Obama the first time. Before I really knew who he was. I also voted for Clinton the first time, before I learned what he was about. What's that say...fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

Here's the thing - you don't know me, who I would vote for and who I support, but now as you can see in my subject line this is who I support.

I could give a you know what about Romney. Don't trust him as far as I can throw him. I don't base any of my opinions about him based on posts here because it's just hate smear for anyone republican. Instead I prefer to get some truth by researching on my own, and hey guess what - he's about as crooked as they come. He and Obama both. So, there is a line on the ballot where I wrote in someone's name. You do know that is possible don't you?

As for you "assuming" I am for Romney, well lets just say you don't know me, and oh how that saying rings so true right now.

Pssst....just because someone doesn't believe the photoshop document is not a real bc does not mean they are going to vote for Romney.

You should see how Ron Paul is gaining momentum. My hope is that someone saves the country from the two nincompoops running. Vote for crooked (Romney) or crooked (Obama). Makes no difference and I could care less. I aint voted for crooked.

But hey, if you want to believe that photoshop document is his bc then so be it. I could care less. GOT IT?

George Romney was born in Mexico. Where’s Willard’s BC? - Where's the outrage?

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over the fact that his dad managed quite handily to hold office in the US?

Quintessential ***, are we? President Obama’s short and long form BC have been released. What I think is important are the underlying pathologies of the birther movementâ€Â¦.demonstrated by their ***, refusal to accept realities they find threatening and manifest elaborate defense mechanism systems, just to name a fewâ€Â¦.prevents them from moving past *** long enough to recognize the futility of their actions or acknowledge the nationwide bipartisan rejection of their movement. It is next to impossible to reason with this ***, so further comment ***, other than to say that I find the racial undertones and bigotry (which of course, you and *** totally deny) not only highly offensive, but decidedly ***.

I watched a movie last night about a wacked-out stalker. When his target tried to report his actions to the police, the cop's response was that “running around saying crazy stuff is not against the law.” Carry on, dear. We learned how to tune this out years ago.
George as in Willard Mitt's father? - sm
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He aint running for president dear.
romney - ilk
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So, what you're saying is that you don't much care for people on the right? The over-analysis was fascinating, however, especially the part about the "threatening and hostile behaviors." Seriously? It sounds like all the outrage is bottled up in that post. That really was quite a rant. I read the post you are refering to, but I really didn't note any "racial undertones and bigotry." Do you think you could point those out to me? By the way, Willard Mitt Romney was born March 12, 1947, in Harper Hospital in Detroit, Michigan.
Wow - talk about hostile rambling - sm
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All that hate bottled up surely can't be good for the health.

I guess if George was running for president there would be something to discuss, but seeing as he isn't your incoherent post is mute.

Go ahead and call us (people on the right) whatever hateful nasty thing you want to. Doesn't change the facts.

On top of that there are many democrats who also want to know the truth. It's not just republicans. Many of our fine military men and women want to know too. I'd say that is kind of important since they have to follow orders. Do you have any idea what it means if his bc comes up one day and it's not from where he claims. Do you have any idea the consequences of what could happen. It's pretty serious. So don't tell me about it, tell your hate filled rambling to judges, layers, supreme court members, politicians, businessmen, engineers, colonels, generals, and many many many others in all parties.

But hey, if living in denial is what make ya happy, hope that works out for ya. The rest of the hate-filled words, which clearly took hours looking up, well you can tell them to all the people who have a right to know something that has not been proven yet. Tell them that a person on the right has to provide one, but one on the left does not.

What I find un-American is not the people asking to see proof of where a presidential candidate was born, but what is un-American are the people who call others un-American because they feel the requirements should be met. They are un-American for not holding the democrats to the same standards they hold republicans.

I watched a movie last night too. It was about a kid who had an uncanny way of cutting school. He got his best friend and girlfriend to cut classes also by pretending to be someone else on the phone. In the end they all ended up at a parade where he rode the raft singing danke shane. Ooooh - I love movie trivia.

Carry on dear.
this kind of thinking really does not help the issue - two left feet
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Two wrongs have never made a right. If you feel it is silly to impugn the president's citizenship, it doesn't really help if you turn around and do the same thing to the other guy. Plus, as other posters above have said, it doesn't matter where the candidate's father was born. It's not really productive to try to heap this pile higher and higher.
Evidently figures of speech - such as
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satire, rhetorical questions and other metaphoric devices remain beyond the comprehensive grasp of those who cannot sway sound minds in the direction of accepting birther nonsense. As long as this idiotic distraction is being pushed by party extremists, it will continue to rightfully elicit mocking response.

George Romney is used here as an example of a natural-born Mexican citizen who held office in the governor's mansion and the chambers of Congress, and who ultimately unsuccessully ran for president. It applies to the birther context in the sense that it illustrates the breath-taking double standard birthers apply to their BC protest and the blind eye they turn toward similar instances within their own ranks.
Jenny - ilk
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Another former governor of Michigan, Jennifer Granholm, (2003 through 2011) was born in Canada.
idiotic distraction indeed - two left feet
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Metaphoric devices are not beyond my comprehensive grasp, dear. If the Obama birther issue is an idiotic distraction - and it IS - then raising the SAME issue about George Romney's eligibility for office is equally idiotic.

The fact is, children of United States citizens are considered natural-born U.S. citizens wherever they are born. Thus, in your effort to point out "breath-taking double standards," you are using the same flimsy thinking used by birthers nationwide. I refer you back to my original figure of speech: "two wrongs don't make a right".

Fiction and more fiction - mbmt

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This is not meant to be disrespectful to you. It is rather how I view the whole birth certificate issue as being just another way to discredit this president. Like I have stated before, if people cannot find something real to complain about, they will make things up about President Obama. They will not accept that President Obama has shown his birth certificate that says he was born in Hawaii. I accept that he was born in the United States and feel no need to keep dredging this old issue up over and over.

What is the deal with what seems to be an insinuation that I (or other Democrats) care about the skin color of candidates? You lost me on that one.

What is it about President Obama that you are so afraid of? I feel that he is a man of integrity and class, fair-minded, and a very non-intimidating person. There is nothing about him that scares me one bit.
Mbmt: You are putting into words very well - the way I feel about SM
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this whole thing, not just the BC stuff. It was stated in the beginning of 2008 by the leaders of the R party, their only goal is to make Obama a 1-term president. It never ends, does it? I do not want to go back to the 2000 policies, and for that reason(among others) I will vote for Obama.
I would like to reply in kind - sm
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To you, you consider it fiction. No disrespect to you, you are entitled to your opinion. To me and thousands of others this is a serious issue. He has not and never did provide the documentation. This has nothing to do with the documentation. This has everything to do with his grandmother stating that she was in the room and watched his birth in Kenya. This is about the doctor of the hospital in Kenya stating he is proud that the boy he delivered in Kenya is now the president of the US. This is the fact that there are missing records of his mothers travel because she never came to America to have him here. This is about bribes and millions of dollars being spent to hide this issue. This is about the first photoshopped document that Obama showed and claimed was his bc, but his sisters name could clearly be seen underneath his name, then they tried again and did a little bit better job, but still the people who are professional photoshop people could tell.

I respect your opinion that you believe he showed it. Others do not and people should respect their opinion too. If you don't agree with them so be it, just let them blow off steam though. The truth will eventually come out. I know for one thing if he really was born in Hawaii, why doesn't he just produce the bc instead of paying millions to keep this sealed. Again, that is my opinion and if you don't agree then fine, that is your opinion.

This has nothing to do with the color of this skin. This has everything to do with everyone applying for the position to show the same documents.

People are not making things up. In fact if anyone is to blame in this whole situation it would be Obama himself for not being truthful with the country. Maybe he thought it was funny at first, who knows why he did this. I don't know and I don't care.

There is nothing that "scares" me about Obama. That sentence does not compute. I think when people have nothing to say that's a statement they say. There is nothing about the man to be afraid of. I however do not feel he is a man of integrity and class. I don't think he is fair minded based on his actions while in the position, but I do agree he is non-intimidating. I also can stand back objectively and look at issues and decide whether or not I agree. I have the know how to research issues and look at everything and make my decision. I don't agree with every single thing he does. I have agreed with some of his decisions, others I have not agreed with him on. Why would you even ask someone if he "scares" them? He's not Charles Manson or Jeffrey Dahmer. There have been many decisions, many lies, and many false hopes throughout his term and that is why I don't consider him a man of integrity or fair-minded. I have never seen him work with the republican party. I've seen closed deals and bribes behind closed doors, speeches telling other countries bad things about the people in this country, and he gives speeches and tells the country anyone in the republican party is the "enemy". He gets involved in cases he should not be involved in. He jumps to conclusions before he knows all the facts. He creates racial tensions when there should be none. He gets up and gives a SOU address and actually lies to the people of the country. He critizes the SC during a SOU address in which he was clearly wrong because he didn't like their decision. That was neither the time or place to do that. He uses his position to try to intimate those who don't agree with him and he doesn't like people standing up to him when he is wrong. His actions are neither fair minded or of class.

He carries on with parties at the WH as though he's throwing frat parties, showing off their bling and bragging about their wealth. He shows no class with issues dealing with the suffering of people in the country. It sends a clear message that he doesn't care about them. Won't even go into the Obama cash issue or the failed auto bailouts, the coersion and bribes given to politicians to sign the Spendulous, which is a whole other topic. His actions in the white house abusing his power are neither of integrity, class or fair-mindedness.

No, I'm sure he doesn't scare you. You've never once posted that you have disagreed with one thing while he has been in office. Of course I don't know you, but I'll bet any money that nothing he ever will do you will disagree with, as I'm sure (again I don't know you, but I can bet any money) there will never and has never been anything ever that you have agreed with from a republican. Guess its just the nature when people are loyal to their parties. I guess that's why I don't affiliate with any. Yes, I agree more with republican ideas than democrat ideas, but i don't agree with every single republican idea just like I don't disagree with every single democrat idea. I actually like Dennis Kucinich and I agree with a lot of his ideas. I wish he had won the election. He is one of the few politicians I find trustworthy, honest, and sincere.

As for people using the same old tiring excuse of republicans wanting to make him a one term president, well of course they do. What they also won't admit is that the democrats also say it's their goal to make a republican president a 1 term president. That's just the nature of the parties. Both parties always want the other side to be one term. Nothing wrong with that. That's the way it's been done for years and years (before we were even born). There is nothing new about that. But yes, democrats goal was to make Bush a 1 term president and make sure he failed. I remember listening to them back then and thought, jeez, can't they even give him a chance, at least wait until the inauguration was over. LOL

So I will just have to disagree with your post, but I will give you the same respect for your opinions that I like for other people to have with their opinions.
Nonfiction - sm
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I have seen Democrats compromise with a Republican President. I have seen Republicans REFUSE to, even if by refusing to do so they hurt the citizens of this country. All so they can get in power and appoint that Supreme Court Justice that does thing like allow businesses and the rich to buy this government to do its bidding. That is NONFICTION and my bottom line.

Nonfiction - the other side - See how easy it is?
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"Nonfiction - smPosted: May 30th, 2012 - 6:27 am In Reply to: I would like to reply in kind - sm

I have seen" REPUBLICANS "compromise with" DEMOCRAT "President. I have seen" DEMOCRATS "REFUSE to, even if by refusing to do so they hurt the citizens of this country. All so they can get in power and appoint that Supreme Court Justice that does thing like allow businesses and the rich to buy this government to do its bidding. That is NONFICTION and my bottom line."

Your right, this may be your bottom line; unfortunately, very biawsed, one-sided and COMPLETELY PARTISAN. - Hallmake of the Dems.
This post reminds me of - this
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oh my gosh, thanks!!! - : )
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best laugh I've had in a long time - and you nailed it.
interesting rhetoric - sm
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"showing off their bling and bragging about their wealth"? Bling. Really.
"showing off their bling" - :o
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that sounds like contempt. or something.
Yeah we all get it, you think - Obama walks on water
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Why are you so afraid to face any fact that does not fit your Obama worship? Why so afraid to research ANYTHING about Obama that does not paint him as "god" (Obama's comparison, certianly not mine)? Why are you so afraid to research WHO actually supports Obaama? Why are you so afraid to reserach Obama's own words and past? Why are you so afraid to researach Obama's own admission, out of his mouth, his drug use and drug dealing? Why are you so afraid to look at the poeple Obama surrounds himself with? Your fear in the truth of Obama has paralyzed you and made your opinions nothin more than a continuation of liberal spin and lies. You can smell your fear of the truth.
No you don't get it. There is no fear on our side. - sm
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Keep up the fear mongering. It only helps us.
Keep up the fear mongering - what Dems do best
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You can SMELL your fear but since that competes with Dems rotten, hateful attitude, the stinks fight each other.
Do you worship Mitt? - Insulting garbage
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Whats ridiculous is when people claim Democrats worship Obama as "God". I research everything and I know his faults as well as his accomplishments.

The drug dealing is nothing but garbage thrown out by someone with no facts. Yes he used drugs and yes I believe that. PROVE to me that there was drug dealing and if you say to do my own research it is nothing but smokescreen that there is no proof because its a LIE.

I am not voting for a Messiah or a God or a Perfect man. I am voting for the person who I believe will do more for MY interests than the other guy. It has nothing to do with FEAR or WORSHIP. How insulting can you possibly be?
Can be about as "insulting as you" - Get over yourself with the fake outrage...
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Yeah, we all get the aversion y'all have to any research that doesn't support the twisted Obama ideology. Posters have given MANY sources to verify Obama drug use and selling, from Obama's own lips, but as usual, it tarnishes the Obama halo (for reference, RESEARCH how many times Obama pictured with a halo).
Guess you LOVE communism...why not move to Somalia, I hear it's lovely this time of year?
One God - sm
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I worship the Lord our Savior I do not worship any man on this earth and for you people to keep insisting that anyone who votes for Obama is worshiping is disrespectful!!!
agree - nm
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Get over yourself - OBAMA compared himself to god
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Obama supporters encircle him in a halo every chance they get. M. Obama called him "god" like. Everyone that did that is who you should be calling disrespectful...not those that refuse to follow along the path of treating Obama like he was a god. As usual, misplaced tirads against those that point it out, but none towards those doing it. Try actually READING the speeches where Obama himself said it. Try WATCHING the videos. Who you worship has nothing to do with the DISRESPECT shown by OBAMA AND HIS SUPPORTERS. Grow up!
please share if you have facts - ...
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Michelle Obama did NOT say what you attribute to her. The remark to which you refer was SATIRE - a JOKE - written by SOMEONE ELSE. If you have ACTUAL quotes or ACTUAL facts, please share.
THESE WERE SHARED AND WERE NOT SATIRE - The Maytags are at it again
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Massive endless quotes were posted on this board last month with all the sources and the person making the comments, speech, etc. The OP listing the information was brutalized. It is in the archives...go look it up. MICHELLE OBAMA DID MAKE COMMENTS. THE REMARK WAS NOT SATIRE OR a JOKE AND NOT WRITTEN BY SOMEONE ELSE.

Instead of SCREAMING AT OTHER POSTERS, TRY GETTING YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT. IF YOU HAVE ANY INTEREST IN THE TRUTH, THEN GO BACK TO THE WEBSITE LISTED IN APRIL.
it's pretty foolish to accuse me of "screaming" - cut it out
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The only person screaming is you. I have no need to scream, as I can post in a cogent fashion. Why don't you stop your nonsensical accusations.
...as are the Roto-Rooters - nm
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We love communism because we don't think the president wears a halo? - what?
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My understanding of what she wrote is - sm
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There are posters who believe Obama is a god. We have Farrakan to thank for that, and all the people who constantly want to draw halo's around his head (rolling eyes). If people are in love with Obama and want socialism they should go to one of the countries that supports socialism. That's what I took her message to mean.

I guess I don't get about the whole socialism thing. Why people are so adamant about turning our country into a socialist country, but yet they don't want to say/admit they are for socialism??? That's what I don't understand. If they don't like way of life and want socialism so bad why don't they just go to one of the countries that is run on socialism.
Because those supporting socialism - are aboslutely clueless as to
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the impact it has on the AVERAGE person, not the politcally elite. They post here as if they are so well-versed on the subject and are ignorant of that it actually involves. George Bernard Shaw (devout Fabian socialist - let the little commies look that up), once said that believers started referring to communism as socialism because it was easier to slide past people and have them accept it. There are a lot on this board that fell for that hook, line and sinker, and are so poorly educated in the subject, they have no understanding of what would happen to them under those "isms". They just write snarky, drive-by comments they think are funny, which just further strips away any pretense of their being educated on the subject.
again... - what?
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How did this devolve into a discussion of socialism and accusations of communism? Isn't that a little - just a little - over the top?

1) A poster above declared she did not worship Obama or bestow halos upon him.

2) Another poster accused her of being insulting, demonstrating "fake outrage", and embracing communism.

Does this make sense to you? What makes you so entitled to your own personal drive-by snark-fest?
I cannot speak for other democrats but...sm - VTMT
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there are quite a few things that I disagree with Obama on. However, I realize that no one is perfect. In my opinion, his good points far outweigh any policy decisions he has made that I disagree with. Also, I have noted that democrats don't march in lockstep with each other as so many republicans seem to do. Although, several republicans I personally know cringe every time the birther's bring up the president's birth certificate yet again.

Um, just a ways down the page two pub poster were declaring - their love for Romney. nm
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let them - and be proud that we don't stoop to halo talk, - walking on water, etc.
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It cracks me up when I hear the "right" use such flippant language about religion. They love to preach moral rectitude, but liken our support of Obama to the most forbidden heresy. That's funny.
No you've "stooped" much lower - Comparisons were directly from Obama
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quotes from Obama's speechs, quotes from M. Obama's speeches, and quote from Obama supporters, fundraisers. Just shows how complete ignorant (i.e., lacking in knowledge) of what Obummer and his supporters say about him. You find affront with posters quoting the biggest HERETIC of all; glad you find that funny. Speaking of your moral deficiencies...pretty evident with your post.
not - nm
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not - nm; as usual your drive-bys are - WRONG AGAIN
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umm... don't call me morally deficient - READ ME
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There was no stooping in my post. When the party of moral rectitude wants to use disrespectful religious rhetoric to insult fellow Americans - well yeah, I find that funny. Futher, I would urge thinking republicans to repudiate this tactic.

You can't have it both ways. On the one hand, the party demands so much respect for religion that we spend entire campaigns on faith-based talking points; those in disagreement are called atheists. Yet, when it's convenient, the party turns tail and accuses these same individuals of deifying the president! In my book, playing it fast and loose with religious rhetoric represents complete and utter foolishness.
Truth - mbmt
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There is not a shred of truth in your post about me. I research everything, but I do not choose to believe things about other people that are not true. I do not think Obama is a god. That is your statement, not mine.

In researching, I have come to the following conclusions: President Obama was never a drug dealer. He was born in the United States. There is nothing unusual about the people President Obama surrounds himself with. I would like to add that I do not think there is anything truthful about people who make things up to discredit other people.
Blah, blah,blah - No facts in your posts
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but you are CONSISTENT in your lack of facts. GET OVER YOURSELF - No one DISCREDITED ANYONE, and these comments are a sad attempt at attacking someone posting the truth. Obama himself stated he sold drugs and did drugs. You don't want to believe, who cares? You have no proof to support Obama did not sell drugs, especially since Obama stated it out of his own mouth and wrote about it. Have not seen anything you posted, anytime, that shows a search for truth...just what you "think" and then constant attacks on those that you don't agree with.

"I would like to add that I think there is" something mentally off about people that refuse to believe what Obama said and wote about his own drug dealing. How's the weather in the Land of Denial? Obama is the one that said it; if you think OBAMA IS LYING when he wrote/said he sold drugs, that's your problem and NO ONE ON THIS BOARD OWES YOU ANYTHING. Try doing research through something other than liberal rags that do all they can to hide Obama's dirt. You never post a fact, a source, a research site, a book, yet criticize othes because you don't "think" what they post is the truth. What you think and truth have nothing in common, and what you "think" exists only in your mind; not what OBAMA STATED AND WROTE ABOUT. The rest of your post is so bizarre not worth commenting on. Now flame away.
Assumptions - mbmt
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You are assuming I have not read President Obama's books. Are you so sure about that?
Assumptions - mbmt - Lying about post
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Not one single sentence in OPs post said what you ASSUMMED was written. Not one single sentence stated you did not read Obummer's books. Seems your not sure of anything and YOU MAKE ALL THE ASSUMPTIONS.
tripping about lying about post - nm
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Where are your facts? - mbmt
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Speaking of bizarre, you accuse me of not supplying facts and yet you have not supplied any facts.
Have been repeatedly supplied by many - and you called all of them liars
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"Bill Clinton he was not. When it came to smoking pot, the teenage Barack Obama had rules. You had to embrace "total absorption" or face a penalty. When you smoked in the car, "the windows had to be rolled up." And he could horn his way in, calling out "Intercepted!" and grab the joint out of turn.

Best-selling author David Maraniss' "Barack Obama: The Story" describes the future president's teenage antics, notably his copious marijuana smoking, details of which were published early Friday by Buzzfeed. While the book won't be released until June 19, vast sections of it were already available Friday on Google Books."

Starting on page 293, the reader begins to get the dope on high school-age Obama's group of basketball- and fun-loving buds, who dubbed themselves the "Choom Gang," from a verb meaning "to smoke marijuana."

"As a member of the Choom Gang, Barry Obama was known for starting a few pot-smoking trends. The first was called 'TA,' short for 'total absorption.' To place this in the physical and political context of another young man who would grow up to be president, TA was the antithesis of Bill Clinton's claim that as a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford he smoked dope but never inhaled," writes Maraniss, author of a biography of the 42 nd president.

"When you were with Barry and his pals, if you exhaled precious pakalolo (Hawaiian slang from marijuana, meaning "numbing tobacco") instead of absorbing it fully into your lungs, you were assessed a penalty and your turn was skipped the next time the joint came around. "'Wasting good bud smoke was not tolerated,' explained one member of the Choom Gang, Tom Topolinski, the Chinese-looking kid with a Polish name who answered to Topo."

HERE'S SOME More AND MORE YET, BUT SURE YOU WILL CALL THIS POST A LIE, TOO, AS YOU ALWAYS DO.
Using drugs and being a drug dealer - very different - mbmt
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When someone says someone is a drug dealer, we all know that they are not talking about somebody using drugs but rather someone who actually sells drugs. President Obama never said that he was a drug dealer in his books. A lot of people have smoked pot and used other drugs, but very few of them are or were actual drug dealers (sellers).

Just being a "best-selling" author does not make you a credible authority. That being said, it does not actually sound like David Maraniss said that President Obama had been a drug dealer.
you, you, you x 11 - ...
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Not the poster you are responding to, but personal screeds are typically used by those who have nothing of value to add to the discussion.

Correction: Boring email hoax left over - from April 2009.

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Sigh. This gets really tiresome. Here's the link.

http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/barackobama/a/obama_citizenship_questioned.htm

Said it once, will try again. Ain't. Gonna. Happen. Not now. No ever.

President Hillary Clinton - sm

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What makes me laugh the most about birthers and their rants, they seem to forget the Democrat primary leading up to Obama being President. Does anyone TRULY and ACTUALLY think that the Clintons would have left any stone unturned in getting Hillary the nomination? I promise you the Clinton machine investigated all this 2 ways til Tuesday and found nothing...had they then it would be President Hillary Clinton. The fact that this is still being talked about shows the hate and intelligence level of certain factions in this country.

Grasping at straws is a lot easier than trying to fix - what's broken on their home turf.

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Guess the GOP is not quite done imploding just yet. Leadership crisis is still being played out with the milquetoast Rominee and the accelerated dumbing down of Congress, especially since the TP freshmen arrived. Their much needed platform transplant is nowhere in sight anytime soon. There's always a lot of talk about democrats not having "backbone" but from where I sit, this is an affliction that has been visited on the apparently demoralized apathetic mainstream GOP centrists and moderates who simply do not have a clue how to sieze control of their own extreme factions before restoring their party's long-lost sanity. It's a runaway train to nowhere, unfortunately likely to get much worse before it gets better.
Grasping at straws - better chang your seat then
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Since you're getting no insight at all into politics "from where" you're sitting now. Pretty pitiful assessment. Try again.

Answer to your post - what if - sm

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First I have to say the words President Hillary Clinton sends a cold chill down my spine and makes the hair on my neck stand up. Sorry, that's what evil does. First, she was never qualified to be president, second she was one of the top worst first ladies of our time. To think that that would ever become president is a sad sad day for the country. I voted for Obama to help keep her out.

The Clintons had a situation they had to deal with. They preferred to choose their daughter's life over their power hungry motives. I'd say it was the first decision they ever made that I agreed with. Eight years of living in hell under his regime was enough. He was impeached. No way ever should that man ever be allowed within 10 feet of the white house. In 8 of his years there was maybe one or two things I agreed with him on, and since he said he was the first black president I wasn't even accused of racism back then for disagreeing with a policy, like now. I was glad he won over Bush Sr. In fact I voted for him the first time. I believed in him. Within the first 3 months my eyes were opened to those two.

The plain and simple truth is the fact that he has not shown us his real bc is the reason this is being talked about. It has nothing to do with hate. It's a really simple concept really. President Bush had to provide one. John McCain had to provide one. Even Bill Clinton, Al Gore, and John Kerry even had to provide one. Why not Obama. What is so special about him. If y'all hate white people so much then at least get a democrat to run that can provide one. It's pretty simple really. There are even plenty of other black and Hispanic politicians who can provide one since y'all hate white folks so much. So why him. Why this being is allowed to escalate to the level he has and got so many of his followers/worshippers to idolize him, consider him a god, and spread the fear and hate towards anyone who doesn't follow lock, stock, and barrel without questioning anything. You know it's so simple really. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that.
Wow! You really believe that don't you? nm - Speechless
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And you dont? - Speechless too
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Amazing how blind some people can be. Hope that works out for ya.
What if - you know they can't stand any
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truth, especially if it puts the Anionted One in a bad light. I'm with you on Hill and Bill...just as evil as Obama; just sneakier about it.
Truth? Hahahahah! - nm
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I don't understand how people can't see it when its staring them right in their face - what if
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Makes me wonder how asleep were they during that time. And now too. Guess it must be his god-like voice that just lulls them back to sleep. I'll refer to the infamous George Carlins words, who knew politics far better then most.

"And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care".
I love George Carlin. Funny, smart... - sm
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the Jon Stewart of the 20th century. Here are a few of his most famous political quotes:
priceless - thanks for the link - nm
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Speaking of skin color, George Carlin also said: - sm
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"This country was founded by a group of slave owners who wanted to be. Am I right? A group of slave owners who wanted to be free! So they killed a lot of white English people in order to continue owning their black African people, so they could wipe out the rest of the red Indian people, in order to move west and steal the rest of the land from the brown Mexican people, giving them a place to take off and drop their nuclear weapons on the yellow Japanese people. You know what the motto for this country ought to be? 'You give us a color, we'll wipe it out.'"
That's a great saying. Except now it's - sm
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people of ALL colors doing what Carlin said white people were doing. People of all colors are wiping all people out.

But since he had to come up with a routine to make people laugh that was it.

Go Carlin - hope your making people laugh as much in the next world as you did here. RIP, we miss you.
the "anointed one" thing is really getting tiresome - (and your credibility suffers)
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Really, must you resort to that silly phrase? It smacks of hatefulness and small-mindedness.
No, it's not - her credibility is just fine - If you don't like the phrase - sm
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Then I would suggest people stop treating him like he's a god.

Not a silly phrase. Used quite frequently in different cases too. It smacks of seeing people for what they really believe him to be.

Hatefullness and small-mindedness is how I would describe this post.
Fact: The only "Annointed One" in US history was GWB, - annointed president by the SCOTUS. nm
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"Anointed One" phrase - chosen by Obama followers
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If you can't post without your snotty insults, just shows your hatefulness and small-mindedenss, not to mention how poorly informed you are of what OBAMA sheeple wrote about OBAMA. Now dig the hole for your head a little deeper.
Really? As I am not a member of the "sheeple" - sm
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I had no idea. Do tell. Is it kind of the same thing as self-proclaimed "teabaggers"?
incorrect - nm
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incorrect - nm - Yes, you are AGAIN and STILL
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At least you're consistent with your lack of facts. ;)
produce a fact or stand down - nm
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"if y'all hate white people so much" (?) - sm
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Where on earth does that come from? Didn't you say "it has nothing to do with hate"?
three dislikes? - nm
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A glimpse of what bigotry looks like. Geez. - nm
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Oh please - that aint gonna fly - Get a grip!
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Grip a grip with the phony bigotry claims.

Bigotry falls on both sides of the isle. I'm not the one who hates black OR white people (you know the crackers).

BTW - you don't even know what race I am.

Oh yeah, get a grip! - Geez
I don't care what race you are. - That is the point. Get it? nm
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If people don't care then they shouldn't mention bigotry - nm
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Otherwise it shows that they do.

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