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Posted: Nov 23, 2012

Found this interesting. Especially the part where Obama said he wished he could "govern without opposition". Hmmm....can we say dictatorship?

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/112012-634213-obama-southeast-asian-trip-more-style-than-substance.htm#ixzz2CsnmLciF

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The last section sums it up best - "The Asians deserve better - and so do the Americans

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Also - It didn't help that he ignored the real heroes who helped push Burma toward a more open system — President and Mrs. Bush, as well as Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, Sens. John McCain and Mitch McConnell, seeming to take credit for it himself.

And - That emptiness of purpose left showy photo-ops in all three countries, with the president flirting around with Thailand's photogenic Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra and visiting the Buddha statues, effectively trivializing Thailand as a tourist trap instead of a major trading partner and the U.S.'s oldest ally in Asia.

And - No substance, no influence. Nothing underlined this quite like the lack of crowds greeting Obama in all three nations. When a leader's visit is cause for hope and a catalyst for change — think Pope John Paul II's 1978 Poland visit — crowds turn out. Obama, supposedly representing the greatest nation on earth, couldn't draw so much as an Occupy-sized crowd. Nor did he draw respect.

On his trip to Cambodia, a country he claimed didn't deserve a visit due to its strongman government, first lady Bun Rany greeted Obama with a traditional "sampeah" pressed-hands greeting reserved for servants, a little dig that was probably lost on him but not to Asians.

And - So what is really Obama's tour about? Apparently a get-out-of-town photo-op all about himself as a means of avoiding pressing problems back home.

Good article from an independent news site. Thanks.

Hmm - can

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we say I am willing to bet most presidents feel that way.

What exactly is wrong - RC

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with visiting the Buddha statues.

That's not really the point, now is it? - backwards typist

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It's about bungling the names of the people, trivializing the country and their government,etc.

I thought Obama would have had it all together by now after his first 4 years of "bungling."

Who, in his administration, is supposed to teach him and/or show him the customs, person's names, and all that other good stuff other Presidents usually know when visiting another country? That person(s) should be shown the door and he should get someone in there that will teach him right to keep him from disrespecting others...or does Obama think he's above knowing this stuff?

IMHO, it really shows a lack of respect and makes the USA look like we are superior to the other country.

I actually wanted an answer to the question. - RC

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I don't understand how that was possibly offensive and was hoping someone would explain it to me...

Don't know why the writer threw that in. I saw nothing wrong with - backwards typist

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visiting the statues. I couldn't find anything "bad" about it on line. Of course, every article on his visit that i searched is by the AP, so really, it just repeated word-for-word articles.

It wasn't visiting the statues.... - Original OP

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Hey BT, good to see you post again. Thought they drove you off too LOL.

When I read the article, to me it wasn't about visiting the statues, it was flirting around with the photogenic Prime Minister trivializing Thailand as a tourist trap and not a major trading partner. He just went to the statues, but that wasn't the issue, it was what he said and how he acted.

This trip was such an embarrassment, No wonder why the other countries are laughing at us.

BT, the article is an editorial... - sm

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it is NOT "just repeated word-for-word articles". Maybe I am misunderstanding your post, but just because AP is reporting on the trip, it does not mean that everything said about the trip is from the AP.

You should not confuse an editorial opinion with fact. I hope you understand that words like "rubelike" and "flirty" are not fact-based.

quote from article sums up article perfectly: - No substance, no influence

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You really have to watch out when you read articles. The author is giving opinions, not facts.

It's a mean little hatchet job, OP. World affairs--0, spite 5. - There are many articles worth reading. nm

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This is a symbolic trip meant to signal our recognition - of Asia's importance to us. No doubt

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the movers and leaders of the planet understood the message. Whatever our president says and does is taken note of and analyzed endlessly.

as it should be! - anon

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the pres should not be able to run anything without "opposition." If he had free rein, America as we know it, would cease to exist. Trust is earned and so far, in my opinion, he has not done a good enough job of earning that trust to NOT be under scrutiny.

I prefer an unbiased fact-based news report by the AP. nm - VTMT

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By Associated Press, Nov 20, 2012 07:30 PM EST

AP Published: November 19 | Updated: Tuesday, November 20, 2:30 PM
PHNOM PENH, Cambodia — For all the attention wrenched elsewhere in recent days — on new violence in the Middle East, the “fiscal cliff” back home — President Barack Obama’s speedy trip to Southeast Asia achieved a major goal: It was clearly seen in the region as a validation of Asia’s strategic importance as the U.S. refocuses its foreign policy to counter China’s clout.

It wasn’t easy. Even in a Buddhist monastery in Thailand, Obama could not escape the budget woes waiting for him back home. And his historic visit to Myanmar was all but drowned out by the rocket fire and missile strikes between Israel and Gaza. He went half a world away to promote U.S.-style democracy but couldn’t leave his troubles behind.

Even as Obama traipsed in stocking feet through a temple in the heart of Bangkok, a monk wished him luck negotiating the deficit-reduction challenge awaiting him in Washington. And the bloodshed in the Middle East, exploding as he toured Southeast Asia for three days, illustrated the limits of U.S. foreign policy even as he tried to display its influence and reach.

But he came away from his trip to this corner of the world — a place once defined by a cloistered and shunned nation like Myanmar or by Khmer Rouge “killing fields” or by Chinese power —with at least the hope that the example of U.S. democracy can effect change and strengthen America’s hand.

He made his case clearly during a Bangkok news conference:

“It’s worked for us for over 200 years now, and I think it’s going to work for Thailand and it’s going to work for this entire region,” he said. “And the alternative, I think, is a false hope that, over time, I think erodes and collapses under the weight of people whose aspirations are not being met.”

Establishing a bigger, more influential presence in the Asia-Pacific region has long been an Obama objective, a goal driven by 21st century geopolitical considerations and by the Hawaiian-born president’s own self-identity as the first Pacific president.

Just by making the trip — and by making it his first after his re-election — Obama made a point about the importance the U.S. attaches to the region.

He was greeted by large crowds chanting his name in Thailand and in Myanmar, a country less than two years removed from a repressive military dictatorship where such assemblies were long forbidden. The English-language Myanmar Times newspaper heralded the arrival of “O-Burma” on its front page, while Thai newspapers praised his apparent interest in the native brand of Buddhism following his monastery visit.

The reception was more muted in neighboring Cambodia, a staunch ally of China that pointedly displayed a sign at the presidential palace welcoming Chinese premier Wen Jiabao but nothing for Obama. Still, there was a message for Asia in Obama’s mere presence. The president was attending an annual summit of Southeast Asian leaders in Phnom Penh, yet another indication of U.S. intentions to pay a bigger role in the region.

The trip marked the first time a U.S. president had visited Myanmar and Cambodia.

Oops! Above post should say sm. Sorry. - VTMT

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such a contradictory article compared to the one above... - anon

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almost the complete opposite! I truly which version is the most accurate? I could take a guess, but.... :-)

The first article was an editorial/opinion piece and the - second an actual (AP) news piece. nm

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and news (AP) pieces are not "opinions/editorials?" - anon

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everything is speculation. Just because it is a "news piece" does not mean it is not editorialized and from the perspective of the writer. Nobody tells them they HAVE to write only certain things about a person just because it is "endorsed" by the AP.

Nope just the facts, no opinions, Reuters too. nm - VTMT

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dream world! Nothing skewed....ever. HA! - anon

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nm necessary.

woefully misinformed - that's all (nm)

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You mean you only will accept articles written by - liberals praising The O - sm

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Investors.com is Investors Business Daily. It is a national newspaper in the US. Like the AP, it has people that write articles about events that happened.

Just because you don't like the article does not mean it's not true.

Do you truly not understand the difference between - truth and lies? Or at least attempts

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to be truthfully informative compared to attempts to deceive?

Honest publications often fail to be purely truthful without distortion, maybe even typically, but genuine attempts to deceive are almost unheard of and bring immediate retribution by their readers.

Dishonest publications exist specifically to deceive, and those readers go to them for those lies. NOT for information, because, after all, they have to run intellectually blindered through a minefield of real information to get there unenlightened.

and our own govt is a perfect example of this, right? - anon

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they ALWAYS tell the public the truth about everything, and we (the public) are supposed to just blindly believe every word they say, right? ha ha ha. I think it is us, the general public, that has to run intellectually blinded through a minefield of (unreal) information to get to the truth. Sometimes the truth is hidden very deeply and people's lives are actually lost in the pursuit of the truth. Sometimes the REAL truth is never known/found out. "believe nothing of what you hear and only half of what you read." hmmm.

Yes, "I" do. Do you? - sm

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I posted the article because it gives an insight into what happened on that trip. No, it's not all roses, but it should not have been as bad as it was. The leader of another country giving The O a greeting reserved for servants, The O taking credit for something he had nothing to do with, but something good that President Bush and First Lady Laura and others should be credited for. Insulting the other country by referring them as a tourist trap when they are a major trading partner and our ally. And lastly telling them that he wishes he could rule without opposition (i.e. as a dictator does).

Those are facts that happened on the trip. I don't care that you don't like that it was pointed out. Unfortunately it's a reality that happened. So, you don't like that the writer didn't write a raving favorable review of what happened on the trip.

The article comes from Investors.com, which is Investors Business Daily. They are neither liberal or conservative writers. Like the AP they write about events that happened. They were not dishonest. They told the truth of what happened.

And if you don't like it, I don't care. I will never stop reading independent sites, just cos a less than favorable article is written about anyone in politics. Done being told that only liberal sites and writers are credible and everyone else is not. Done playing that game.

He didn't refer to anything as a tourist trap. - RC

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That was the conclusion of the author, because he had the gall to visit Buddhist temples.

I imagine any foreign leader visiting our Statue of Liberty would be equally horribly offensive? Or perhaps the Grand Canyon?

The article is expressedly said to be an editorial.... sm - VTMT

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though I did note there was no actual by line. You do know the difference between an editoral/opinion and an objective news story? AP and Reuters are kind of like C-Span, just the facts, no opinion.

That's how the Wall Street Journal's editorials can be - so much more conservative than the

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articles, which are held to a much higher standard. Business and government people read those articles for information they use to make decisions involving a great deal of money. They won't accept the kind of irresponsible hot air in an information article that some may enjoy reading on the editorial page. They are very aware of the difference. Like tuning the radio to Rush for a bigotry feed but reading The Economist for information.

Yes. There is a huge difference... - sm

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...between an objective news article and an editorial. I find it hard to believe that the original poster can't differentiate between the two. By the way, I didn't vote for Obama but a third-party candidate.

what some of you don't understand.... - anon

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is that whether it is a news article or an editorial, the truth is rarely ever told in any of them. Nobody, on either side, knows the whole truth. ALL articles, editorials, news pieces, etc are more "speculation" than truth. Just because it is endorsed by AP or any other source, does not make it "real" or the "truth."

Done here. You apparently are incapable...sm - VTMT

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of differentiating between fact and opinion. Therein lies your problem.

Actually, there's real truth to that.Some people live in - an information bubble, and only

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information that pleases is defined as true and allowed through.

You might want to be careful about what posters you are - addressing - sm

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You first started arguing with me how your sources/articles were "truth" and anything that doesn't agree with what you want to believe is not. You seem to believe that you only read articles/listen to unbiased sources.

You are now replying to a different poster that you seem to think is me (the OP of the post).

It would serve you well to do without the insults. If you cannot discuss things in a rational adult manner I prefer not to partake in the childish rants performed like this one.

Let me just say this. Because of your postings I know exactly what to expect. No, I never agree with you, but I have always been civil to you and most of the time I ignore your posts because its not worth wasting my time trying to explain things. On the other hand you always want the last word even when you are wrong, and then the gang starts in with the bullying and insults.

You only read and listen to things you agree with. You have never once said you disagree with anything The O and this administration does. I have not always criticized him/his administration, but when something is wrong, yeah, you bet I'm going to say something. Last I knew it was a free country to be able to do that, though I hearing/reading that that will soon be changing.

The article I posted is indeed from an independent source. You do know there are independent sources that don't always agree with everything he does. When an independent source talks about something that happened on a trip I will listen/read with an open mind. I take everything with a grain of salt. I research who is writing the article. In this case it was an independent writer without a motive.

So you didn't like the article. I don't really care. It's an accurate article about what happened. Of course everyone who doesn't like anything bad said will come on and start ganging up on me. Don't care. The truth is out there and that's what I will always look for.

BTW - I noticed how all the libs ignored the fact that Obama told them he would want to rule as a dictator. I guess you're all okay with that as long as its a democrat forever.

So, since you are done here - goodbye. You are the one who seems incapable of
differentiating between fact and opinion because the article was written with facts about what happened on his trip and things that were said. You're the one who seems to have a problems with that.

So good luck to ya. Flame away.

Enough with the ridiculous accusations of - bullying!

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Your inappropriate use of the term diminishes its meaning and is an insult to anyone who has truly been bullied.

And here in lies my point. - Nice going.

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nm needed.

"Bullied" is the feeling that comes when positions are too ridiculous - for others to respect or posters to defend.nm

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No, bullied is when posters, whether they be mulitple - or the same poster with

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multiple monikers come on the board and poke fun and ridicule a poster because they don't like what they posted, or ask the other posters "can I take my turn now".

So just who exactly determines whether something is "too ridiculous". The people who discovered the world was round was told by the people who thought the world was flat that they were "too ridiculous". Can give you lots of examples.

Sometimes you just need to agree to disagree without bullying/ganging up on and ridiculing others.

You could ask Todd Akin who determines what is "too ridiculous." He probably gave - up trying to undertand what went wrong, tho. nm

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I like you!!! Sensible and forthright! - anon

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not afraid to say what you feel and what you feel is right! At least one with some common sense on this board. Stay. Please. The "truth" needs you and many more like you! :-)

Thanks. I have to say this - sm

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I've about had it up to my eyeballs with posters claiming something is not valid because it had a poor review of events that happened with The O and his administration.

I'm tired of being called a racist if I don't agree with every policy, especially since the people calling me a racist doesn't know what race I am (and the fact that I have different races in my family). Even my MIL (a very outspoken democrat) doesn't pull that childish taunt with me.

I'm tired of posting an article whether it be a fact filled article or an opinion piece and get ganged up on/bullied tau tauing my article picking at it saying it's an opinion piece, it's a blog, it's not from a main news site, etc, then 2 threads above my post will be an opinion piece that favors something The O or this administration does and the same posters that ganged up on me praise that opinion piece/blog.

I will have to say this. I want the country to improve. I want a president I can be proud of I want good things to happen for all Americans. I want the economy to improve, I don't want to see anyone in our country go hungry. I hate to see so many people out of work, struggling. I want better lives for everyone. I don't care who does it, I just want things to get better. I don't care if its a democrat, repblican, independent, or green party. I don't care if the person is a man, woman, a black, Asian, Indian, white person, or a Klingon :-) I don't care if its a teacher, truck driver or custodian who knows a way to make the country better for everyone. Nobody will win if things don't get better.

I cannot and do not believe that people would rather suffer than to let someone not in their party create a job. There are a lot of untruths being spread (especially on this board) about republicans. I'm sick of the hate-filled rants about conservatives. I'm sick of the condescending, smug, elitist attitudes. The gloating, childish mentalities. The assumptions that if you are a conservative you watch Fox.

I'm a big X-Files fan (okay, yes its been years and years since they were on the air. One of the best shows that was on. I've developed their motto "The Truth Is Out There". That's all I ever want. Don't bs me. I'm not stupid or ignorant. I'm a college grad. I can read an article and determine for myself whether or not I believe it. If I read something and feel strongly about it I will post here. Sometimes I will post my opinion about something, but I am no longer going to post my sources. I've decided to stop playing their games of "my source is okay but yours is not" or be bullied/ganged up on by people that disagree with me trying to poke fun of me.

So I will continue to post whether an article is good or bad about something going on. This is still a free country (at least for now).

That's exactly what I liked about you in the other post... - anon

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and exactly why I still like you. You mirror my thoughts and feelings pretty much exactly. I remember when "they" started "demanding" that people post links to the things they stated, just to prove it as fact and not just "opinion." Now that most do, the articles themselves are being critcised. They are just not happy unless someone posts "I love O" and all he stands for. (forgive me Lord, I did not mean that except in sarcasm). I too am and have been tired of the bullying for a long time now. I have stayed off the board, gone elsewhere, only to come back and nothing changes. I am as sick of it as you are, and I admire your conviction to stand up and say so! I don't know who you are, but YOU for president!!! :-)

You got it right Anon I admire and respect SM - Yup, SM for President! No attack mode

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My thoughts exactly. Absolutely impossible to post anything on this board that might in the least be able to be twisted into a negative against Pres Obama. I taught my sons and now my grandchildren first and foremost to be honest to establish a character that others can trust and respect, to be compassionate, to be open-minded but to be true and not swayed from their established values. I think almost any open-minded individual reading this board would agree there is very much a bullying nature present here.

When someone posts and you disagree, try not going into the attack mode and attacking that poster, but rather iniate your own post which indeed might reflect a different opinion. At least respect the poster enough to allow the poster the opportunity to share with those that wish to discuss the topic in a nonattack mode.

It is called "positive intent." So much in life is immediately jumped upon negatively when indeed there was "positive intent." I am sure the original poster had "positive intent" in that the poster wants the USA to be respectful in all efforts and that we all should be responsible to do our homework in order to accomplish that.

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