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I don't get our president

Posted: May 19, 2011

"The United States will support efforts for reform across the Middle East and North Africa, including "transitions toward democracy," President Barack Obama said Thursday in what the White House billed as a major speech laying out U.S. policy for the region."

"Obama said there is a "deepening spiral of division between the United States and the Arab world" that needs to be reversed."

"Officials said the president will pledge U.S. economic assistance to Egypt and Tunisia."

"Obama is announcing several programs intended to increase U.S. and international investment, create jobs and spur economic growth in the two countries."

Hey, Mr. President, what about creating jobs in our country and spurring economic growth here...just a thought. Perhaps you should go golfing and think about it.

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He also said Palestine's - hmmm

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border should be that of the border back in 1967.

Obama also offered an ultimatum to Syrian President Bashar Assad telling him to either support a democratic transition or "get out of the way."

He bombed Libya without congress's approval.

What...was President of the United States not good enough for him....he wants to take over other countries as well and tell them how to run their countries. Didn't the libs throw a fit when Bush went into Iraq? Why is this okay for Obama to do? Isn't he the one who said our country was arrogant for trying to tell others how to live?

This man is unbelievable. We have a dick-tator in the making here. The way he blames others and gets groups fighting against each other and continually points the finger at others. He rules like a thug. If you disagree with him..the big bully in chief has a closed door meeting with you and all of sudden you agree with him and have seen the light. Wow.

I just don't see how some people don't see him for the big thug that he is.

Not nearly as - sm

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thuggish as the illustrious Bush and President Cheney.

Really? To me that sounds like the - pot calling the kettle

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black. Obama hasn't changed much of what Bush and Cheney did in the Middle East. In fact, he upped the drone attacks...which we all know killed civilians along with the bad guys. I didn't see him close Gitmo either. Then he goes and bombs Libya without congress's approval...which...BTW...is unconstitutional. Now he is giving ultimatums to the Syrian president?

I do tire of hearing rebuttals about what Obama has done with....but Bush was a big poo poo head. Seriously...is that the best argument you people have? Bush and Cheney are gone. Obama is NOW. If you didn't agree with what Bush and Cheney did in the Middle East, how in the he11 can you back Obama on what he is doing over there?

They are not the same issue. - think about it.

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No, it's worse - Think about it

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you really believe that? Think about it.

Probably cuz we dont hang out in the same hate promoting fringes - of the blogosphere you do.

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nm

No, just the same hate promoting finges of the blogospher - on the other side

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Comprendo?

Flox kneejerks add nothing of value to the dialog - surrounding the current foreign policy

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crossroads we now witness in the Middle East, much in the same way there is nothing of value in this post worth responding to in a serious or productive fashion. I prefer to hear the speech, then read the text a time or two, digest its contents, conduct some research to clarify the parts that I question or do not fully understand, become better informed on the issues where my knowledge is lacking and THEN draw conclusions about it BEFORE opening my mouth and voicing a reaction. Thus, I declined to address anything preceding the last sentence, and opted to propose a simple explanation as to why "some people" (the vast majority of us) don't see Obama for the "big thug that he is."

Certain buzz words and catch phrases have been repeatedly surfacing on this forum in the past couple of days. Thug would be one of those. Accusing Obama of wanting to rule the world is another. Apples and oranges comparisons trying to equate Libya with Iraq another. The falsely perceived arrogance (oh my!) of trying to dictate to others how they should live, yet another. I find the worn-out "he blames others and tries to get us to fight each other" chant particularly annoying. I mean really, why not just assemble the choir and belt it out in one big performance? It is not as though we do not already know where all these ideas originate. We have cable news, too, and every now and then, whenever we want to get a good dose of the parallel universe, we all tune in and watch it, to the extent we can tolerate it. The hate-mongering fringosphere is the last place I go looking for an intelligent, informed or useful analysis of foreign affairs, which of course cannot be discussed within the context slaying the messenger and ignoring the message. Comprende?

Obama, plain and simple, is a terrible president. - -and I say that as a Dem, -that speech today

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and what he just did to our ally, Israel, is actually disgusting. I am ashamed Obama is in The White House.

Israel is nobody's ally but Israel's. - sm

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Do not be fooled by wolves in sheep's clothing. BTW, the only thing he "did" to poor Israel was to say out loud that they should keep their own word, respect the borders established by agreements (which they have signed onto on numerous occasions) in the aftermath of their 1967 land grab and occupation, a work in progress as we speak. Also, articles all over the world, including from the Senior Editor of Haaretz, who also is in the habit of addressing the Israeli PM directly, have been saying the same thing about those internationally recognized 67 borders for years. All he did is say it out loud.

Your statement is totally false! Israel our STRONGEST ally. - Frank

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...and Obama cant even keep that together. He is a sham. YOU are the one fooled.. and completely wrong.

This alliance is about as genuine as - sm

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the ones that exist between pimps and prostitutes, drug dealers and addicts, or hosts and parasites. How long do you think this so-called alliance would last if the US were to withdraw ANY of the economic, military and "other" aid dollars, which by conservative estimates as of November 2008 has totaled around $114 billion dollars over the years?

http://www.wrmea.com/component/content/article/245-2008-november/3845-congress-watch-a-conservative-estimate-of-total-direct-us-aid-to-israel-almost-114-billion.html

Well, if I were Israel, I wouldnt think the USA was - an ally anymore, thanks to Obama

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Obama should just resign now. He humiliates his nation.

Au contraire. Without US aid, it is very doubtful - Israel could even hope to

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remain financially solvent, let alone survive as a nation independent of US backing. They know where their bread is buttered and are not about to rattle their sabers or issue their bullying bravado when dealing with the US, regardless of who is in the White House. Do. Not. Kid. Yourself.

Obama just destroyed all hope for peace in Middle East. - I am not fooled. Obama is a fool.nm

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Obama did what W did not have the intestinal fortitude - to do

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He stood up AIPAC and Bibi and let them know that a new day is dawning.

They didn't seem to care so much about the USS - Liberty they bombed.sm

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We need to take care of our OWN country, and that's a LOT of money we give to Israel. But it seems that Israel is more into DEMANDING money from the USA and demanding most things from us. We may be their ally, but they certainly aren't ours.

That was pathetic. You obviously do not know history. - Israel is our strongest ally, and Obama just

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ruined it. We give TONS of money to Arab countries, and almost all of them HATE OUR GUTS! So, go ahead, be like Obama and keep ruining every good relationship we have in the world. Obama was never qualified to be our leader, and every move he makes proves it. .. idiotic

Uninformed lockstep BS. - What a drag.

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Add up all aid to all Arab countries of the kind we give to Israel - then

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take notice of how it pales in comparison. Please cite your sources for this bald-faced lie.

Resign? He's the first President with the courage to - stand up to Israel.nm

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I hope you are joking. No REAL American would - make such comments. How sickening.nm

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Obama is clueless. Every "solution" is a disaster so far.nm - GetReal

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Long overdue, if you ask me. - Better late than never.

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You're totally correct. Israel will bring the USA down - one way or the other. nm

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...and YOU must be suffering from major brainwashing!.nm - SAD

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Wrong! Obama is trying to destroy Israel.nm - **

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Excellent (re the kneejerks)--So often I think similar - but don't have time to post

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thanks.

Back atcha. - sm

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Sometimes it really helps to know that we are not single voices crying in the wilderness.

You do not believe these words came straight from the Presiden'ts mouth? - Backwards Typist

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I would have said "straight from the horse's mouth" but then you would bash me for that.

I hate to tell ya this but when the President starts telling other countries who should go and who should stay, that's not exactly staying out of their business. That's dictating how they should live. How many times has he done that?

The latest on the Israel speech is just the latest of the many speeches he has made telling countries what to do. Look how he pressured the U.N. to allow bombing so the rebels could gain a foothold.

I would say more right now but have to get off and do some work.

No, I believe these ideas came straight from Flox via your mouth. - sm

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In fact, who said them is of little concern to me, it is WHAT WAS SAID that matters. I am still immeshed in gathering information on such things as the text itself, the timing of the speech, the context that surrounds it, comparing it to the Egyptian speech, what changes have been proposed, what has stayed the same, how it fits into the progression of US Middle East Policy, particularly over the past 50 years, etc, etc.

I am the one who posted about my son who has been the recent target of Islamophobia, who has family (sister, nephew, BIL, and countless in-laws from two marriages), friends and their families (some of whom I have known 40+ years from college, coworkers, my husband's business associates and fellow political activists) in the region (Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Jordan, Southern Sudan, Palestine, Israel and Yemen) and here (LA, San Diego, San Francisco, Houston, San Antonio, Austin, Dallas, Detroit, Chicago, and New York). One of the the activists I know (age 83) has been engaged in this process since 1948. His entire family has been wiped out over the years of occupation in Palestine. Most of the activists (like me) have been at it since 1967 (my entire adult life), the year the borders were "rearranged."

For us, the stakes are quite high and it is impossible to explain the significance of the "Arab Spring" or the importance of US foreign policy at this juncture. Please forgive me if I take a little more time to look beyond the latest Obama bash fest currently coming out of command central and being smeared far and wide by its devoted foot soldiers.

Then you should have read the article from Jack Tapper that I posted. - Backwards Typist

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I did not change a thing in that article. It was word for word so his speech was not a smear and it is not a bash fest. I'm sure you can also find a video on the speech on youtube, so listen very carefully to hear every word.

Obama should not be trying to tell the Arab countries what to do. That's for them to decide. He should keep his nose out of most of the world's business and start concentrating on this country. That's what he was elected to do.

I am truly sorry for the trouble your family and friends have been going through and Israel should not get off scott-free, nor do I approve of a lot of the things they have done, but I am all for Israel at least keeping Jerusalem which is THE holy city in the eyes of most Christians and Jews. I think that's the largest sticking point.

Hello. Jerusalem is also considered sacred by Moslems. - It was the first Qiblah, before Mecca

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Just for starters. Ever heard of Al-Aqsa/Dome of the Rock? There are 3 sites of pilgrimage (Hajj) in Islam: Mecca, Medina and Jerusalem. Hajj is the fifth Pillar of Islam, fundamental to Muslim practice. Read up on the Night Journey and Ascension (Isra' and Mi'raj). Maybe next time, you will not forget to at least MENTION Moslems along with Christians and Jews when speaking of Jerusalem.

P.S. Serious question as to why you are so 'for' - Backwards Typist

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Obama no matter what he does; i.e., defend him to the end? He has shown most everyone that he is human, yet the perception of some is that he is the savior of the world.

Netanyahu and Obama's speech is over and they are giving their version of the conference, which I want to hear.

This coming from someone who has NEVER - Observer

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said one positive thing about Obama?

Evidently you are new to the board - Backwards Typist

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I had a few "nice" things to say about him a few months ago, or was it a year ago...but not lately. Sorry.

I've never met anyone who thought he was the savior of the world - Where did that come from?!

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What a crazy idea. The guy was elected President. He does great on some things not so great on others. Savior?! LOL. I don't think so. I've never heard even one person say that they thought he was perfect.

You obviously have other issues slanting your views - No one can deny what Obama said in the speech

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I am disgusted by this man who thinks he KNOWS how or should run the world. He should just step down. Obama is the WORST leader that I remember in my 50 years.

People get mad when he does and when he doesn't - Oh well!

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There was a big ruckus about how he, the American President, should lead the world. Then if he comes out with a strong message, part of which I agree with and part I don't, people will say that he's too strong and telling other countries what to do. There is nothing that he could do that could please people who do not want to like anything he does.

I am of the opinion he should address - his own country's

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financial situation rather than stick his nose into all the middle east issues....I would like to think that was at least AS important to him as asking Israel to back up to 1967 borders. Apparently not; he has not seen fit to address it YET, so I guess why should he now, right??

geez

Yup. Fuggiduhboud the War on Terror, turn a blind eye - to govts dropping like flies

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in the aftermath of democratic uprisings, never mind that status quo construct of US foreign policies of the past 50 years or so is disintegrating before our very eyes. Uh-huh. R-I-I-I-I-G-H-T. Sounds like a plan.

Considering all the billions of dollars we give to Israel, - perhaps that's what he's doing. nm

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I do believe he had stated the United States - Backwards Typist

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should lead the world. The United States=the President. He is the head of the nation but I don't believe we should be meddling in other countries business like he is doing. I'm not one who raised a ruckus like you said. If anything, I raise a ruckus when I believe he's going down the wrong track....and believe me, I'm getting a little tired raising a ruckus lately.

He may have said that, but I know many people who don't like him said it - Remembering

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There is a group of people who very much dislike him, who are constantly saying that America should lead, not follow behind NATO, etc.

Excellent. Guess they cannot have it both ways, huh? - nm

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Condescending load of.....you fill in - the blank. Which is

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equally annoying. Comprende?

He works for international banksters, ushering in NWO - Scholar

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Obama is a globalist. Like all globalists, he has a larger agenda -- to usher in the new world order. That is ALL he cares about; it's priority #1.

Exactly. He is the puppet (and a good one). - The puppeteer is one

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scary dude.

Conspiracy Theory Alert - nm

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Blind following in rote lockstep unable to - think for self alert.

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Isnt that what she just said, since that is exactly what - conspiracists do?

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No need for a second alert. Must be an echo in here.

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