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Collusion proven by none other than Donald Jr. It appears the apple

Posted: Jul 11, 2017

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This is far worse than Watergate. At minimum, attempted collusion with Russia. nm - VTMT

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Did you actually fall for that? LOL - it was a setup - by the Dimocrats.

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I know, right? They are still desperate. - Russia, Russia, Russia

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Funny

They keep throwing different things against the wall - but nothing sticks.

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Let's just wait to see what Maxine says next. She'll have a good idea!

ROFLMAO!!!!!

It was just a matter of time before the truth came out. - nm

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How's that working for you this morning? - LOL

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It's been fun watching the dims get their knickers in a twist, but really, you need to come up with some different entertainment. This is becoming too repetitive and boring!

Is that what Fox is saying? Good luck with that! nm - VTMT

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This is just the tip of an iceberg of revelations to come. - nm

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What law was broken? I've asked this before - No one could tell me sm

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Let's assume maximum collusion guilt by Trump and all of his associates. What crime are you charging them with?

Is there a law against collusion?

You act like speaking with foreigners is a crime. It's not. Neither is attempting to get opposition research from a foreigner or a foreign government.

Conspiracy to hack an election is a crime, but everyone has said Russia didn't change the election results. At most, they hacked the DNC and Podesta and released what they found to Wikileaks. Hacking is a crime. Winning an election because people found out what the other side was doing behind the scenes is not a crime.

Yea, I saw that article where the collusion - isn't a crime according to

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some legal experts, but lying about it is and up until now, there were many lies about it.

I'll take that - sm

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Let's assume you can prove they willfully lied about talking to Russia to fix the election.

What's the penalty for lying?

Most of what I've seen is Democrats asking Republicans if they colluded with Russia. Reps say. "No. I never talked to Russia about that." Then it comes out they talked to a Russian about something else, like they met the Russian ambassador at a party. And all of the sudden they're accused of collusion and lying about meeting with Russians.

I get that lying on those federal forms is a crime, but there must be some leeway for bad memory. At any rate, no one is making a stink about lying on forms. It's all about collusion, which I haven't seen any evidence of.

conspiracy, campaign finance laws - crimes. - hawtmk

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Please do some legal research. Simply shouting "but what laws were broken!?" doesn't mean no laws were broken. Trump Jr. just hired a criminal defense lawyer yesterday. He's obviously concerned he may have broken some laws. You should be, too.

I wasn't meaning to shout - so sorry sm

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I would like a little more info than "He hired a lawyer so he must be guilty of something..." If that's all you have to go on, that's fine. At least you're admitting it.

I have done legal research. That's my problem. I'm not seeing a crime. I'm all for investigating a crime, but where is it.

I'm trying to look at this like Watergate. There was a crime (committed by Republicans) that started the Watergate investigation. Where's the crime here?

Lying to investigators is a crime. Lying on federal forms is a crime. But that's not what people are being accused of. They're being accused of collusion, which isn't a crime.

possible evidence of a crime: - hawtmk

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A lawyer's opinion: Trump Jr.‘s decision to take the meeting in and of itself likely violated campaign finance law, which does not require you to actually get anything useful from foreigners. In other words, the mere fact that Trump Jr. asked for information from a Russian national about Clinton might have constituted a federal crime.

“The law states that no person shall knowingly solicit or accept from a foreign national any contribution to a campaign of an item of value,” Goodman tells me. “There is now a clear case that Donald Trump Jr. has met all the elements of the law, which is a criminally enforced federal statute.”

Unfortunately, the text of the law refers to funds - not information sm

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110.20 Prohibition on contributions, donations, expenditures, independent expenditures, and disbursements by foreign nationals

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/11/110.20

Read the text of the law it's about campaign contributions, funds, disbursements, etc. Dirt on an opponent doesn't apply.

Actually it lists - "other thing of value"

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Per link provided, it states or other thing of value. This could prove a sticking point, but time will tell...

(b)Contributions and donations by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.

If that's true then the other campaign also - has a problem sm

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According to Politico Clinton/DNC got opposition research on Trump and Manafort from Ukraine.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446

If we're assuming oppo research is like a gift or "other thing of value" from a foreign government why would it implicate only Trump and not Clinton?

I suspect the wording in the law is to prevent someone from donating a physical item to a campaign, like a house or property. Oppo research is more like gossip.

Still, you make an interesting point.

Personally, I'm more worried about what Trump is doing behind the scenes while the media focuses on this Russia stuff.

not necessarily. I believe it says "things of value" - hawtmk

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Actually, the link - from Cornell

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that was provided does list it as "other thing of value" - see post above yours. It is copied and pasted from that site! Regardless, it will be moot since he would be pardoned by his daddy if he were even convicted posthaste!

Seriously? Where was the outrage about Hillary's - Ukraine collusion.

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Dems have Watergate on the brain. Watching too much MSM. What collusion?

The DNC colluded against Bernie Sanders - but the Democrats play by different

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rules and get away with it.

We know for a fact that the Hillary campaign got opposition research on Trump from the Ukrainian government, and nobody in the MSM even batted an eye about Ukraine helping Hillary.

OMG! Email? Seriously!? How dumb do you have to be? sm - oldtimer

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I remember Trump Jr on TV when Russia was first mentioned as being involved in the campaign. Righteous indignation was the order of the day. He said the democrats were liars, digging dirt and anti American. Well we all know see who has been anti American all along. Another shameful chapter in American history!

OMG! Email? - nb

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I don't recall seeing any such outrage from the Marxists when Obama secretely sent Iran billions of dollars under cover of darkness. If that isn't treason I don't know what is.

But, but, but... Obama! You have to be really stupid to leave an email trail. nm - VTMT

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Are you talking about Hillary again? - Really stupid?

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Yeah, that's thoopid all right to have an email server in some basement and then delete over 30,000 emails.

But, but but... Hillary! The president and his family are liars. - nm

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you're thinking of Reagan. - hawtmk

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When Iran decides to nuke Israel, remember who is to blame. - OBAMA

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Dropped on his head...yup - LOL

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http://thehill.com/homenews/media/341415-cnns-navarro-on-donald-trump-jr-this-kid-was-dropped-on-his-head-as-a-child

How is it that - Daddy Trump

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knows nothing of this meeting? Is he really that doddering and demented? Or, in my opinion, the Jr. is falling on the sword in an effort to protect the old fool!

Lock him up!!!

Sorry, but there's no crime here. Donald Jr. - Truthhurts

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was not and is not part of the administration.

The Russian attorney made the first move by stating she had dirt on Hillary in June. This attorney is not, and never was, part of the Russian administration ACCORDING TO HER. She also stated it was about adoption but knew she probably wouldn't get anywhere with the Trump's unless she made up the Hillary story.

The people that are falling into the "Russian trap" is ridiculous and paranoid. Can't you see that they're playing you people for fools? Jr. was stupid for answering her email but he has now put all the emails out in public for all to see.

BTW, looney Kaine now calls it treason. How stupid is he? He should know the law. If everyone was accused of treason for meeting with a Russian, there would be no room in the jails. Again, paranoid and people are falling for it.

Again, Kaine, Schiff, and the rest of the Dems that keep pushing the hate and "collusion" against this president is only trying to keep the REAL problems in the background...like the good Trump is trying doing for the country even though the Dems in Congress are doing a great job of blocking everything they can (just look at my early post about the nominations and confirmations that haven't taken place yet; and getting FAIR TRADE DEALS instead the US always holding the bag and getting the worse end of those trade deals; like those needing to reopen the investigations into Hillary, Bill, Lynch, Holder, Obama and Lerner, especially now that Obama is no longer president because of Comey's lies.

I agree! It is a dog and - pony show to distract

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the American people from something the president is about to do. That is his MO - "look over here and not at what I am doing!" Even if Don Jr. could be charged, his father would just pardon him.

The MSM knows that public perception is everything. - They will just keep hammering this

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until people get sick of it again.

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