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Capital Punishment

Posted: Oct 17, 2009

What is the most humane way to kill a person that's committed a heinous crime?

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Take em skydiving. (nm) - MT

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I'll pack the chute.

capital punishment - mt

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Take them 100 miles off shore, throw them overboard and tell them if they can swim back to shore, they can have their freedom.

There is no HUMANE way to kill a human being against their will - me

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How fitting to see this post on Sunday, the Lord's day.

People confuse the *desire* for revenge with Justice.

Justice does not require blood for blood.

And for the chute-packer: Do you live in a state that kills its own citizens? If so, have *you* yet volunteered to be the executioner in your state?

It's important to remember innocent people have been killed in the name of Justice.

How many innocent people are you willing to kill in order to get some of the truly guilty?

this belong in church, not a POLITICAL forum - Snow Bunny

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Ummm ~ sm - Anoni~

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I agree with Snow Bunny, this really belongs on a religion board, but...

I seem to recall somewhere in the Bible where the Lord mandates "an eye for an eye" as justifiable punishment. Being the literal thinking person that I am, I assume that also means a life for a life.

When you talk about innocent people being killed in the name of justice, did you consider how many innocent people have been killed in the name of God? Didn't think so, because God had nothing to do with ordering the greedy, supposedly pious church people to kill for lands, riches, or whatever it was that they wanted.

Now take a deep breath and relax. Most of the people on death row will die of old age before they are executed. Meanwhile we will have done the Christian thing by paying for their food, clothing, housing, medical care, education, internet access, and countless appeals. Just think of the millions of dollars that we fork out to support their miserable lives ~ there ya go people, free healthcare for the entire US!

Have a great day now!

Speaking of cost... - NJ

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There's some debate and figures vary from state to state, but there's a strong case that the death penalty is more expensive than life without parole. I think capital punishment means a second trial to impose the punishment, for one thing. Then there are the appeals, the extra cost of death row, blah blah blah.

Beyond cost, there's the question of innocent people being convicted. There have been over 100 people released from death row since the 70s. That's a lot of mistakes.

So, we make mistakes and sentence innocent and guilty alike to death when it's cheaper to keep them alive and in jail.

I vote for a slow death behind bars.

NJ

You are a day late. Read the poster's question while you are at it. - MT

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I believe in an eye for an eye. And, yes I would volunteer. No confusion here.

You on the other hand, would defend Ted Bundy if he was still alive.

Names please. Name the innocent people who have been executed? - Lu

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This is just another lame liberal diatribe. As far as a humane ways to kill a murders, rapists, child molestors, their crimes showcase their "humanity" or lack thereof, why should society be concerned for theirs? Once you commit a violent crime against another person, you lose all your rights, constitutional and civil.

"Vengenance is mine sayeth the Lord." But He also says obey the laws of the land. He gave us the 10 commandments as laws we must abide by. The very fact that we were given these laws implies that there absolutely MUST be consequence for breaking those laws. And since God only gave the laws and not instructions on how to punish those who break the laws, then it stands to reason, God has left that up to society as a whole to decide.

The Lord also has hinted throughout the Bible, i.e. an eye for an eye, how we should mete out justice.

On that note, once the jury says "guilty," I say take 'em out the back door of the courthouse and get it over with. Save the taxpayers a ton of money and free up space in the already over-crowded prisons.

Current case in Tx? - NJ

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There's a case in the news lately, a guy executed for setting a house on fire and killing his kids. Experts came forward to say the fire was not caused by arson, but Gov. Perry (Tx) refused to halt the execution.

His name is Cameron Todd Willingham.

NJ

Cameron Todd Willingham (Google Search) - MTCO

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Just an excerpt. "When firefighters arrived at the burning five-bedroom house on Corsicana's south side, Willingham was outside. At his trial, neighbors said he was outdoors even before flames engulfed the place and was concerned about his car getting scorched. Prosecutors contended he just wanted to get rid of the children. Evidence at his trial showed an accelerant, believed to be charcoal lighter fluid, was used to ignite the floors, a front threshold to the house and on a concrete porch. A fire marshal testified the placement of the accelerant was designed to impede any rescue efforts by firefighters.

"Dude's a liar," Willingham said in a recent interview on death row. "It's all a farce ... They just didn't want to pursue what really happened." Willingham suggested a lantern lamp dumped fluid when a shelf collapsed inside the house and caught fire or his oldest daughter, who was "fascinated with everything," accidentally set off the blaze. "Either that or someone came in with the intent to kill me and the children," he said.

Willingham, a native of Ardmore, Okla., said his wife went out shopping and left him with the children. He was asleep late in the morning when the 2-year-old woke him with her cry for him. He saw smoke, jumped out of bed and told her to get out of the house, he said. Willingham said he tried to get to the twins' room, couldn't get past the flames and ran to get help. His house had no phone."

R.I.H.

Modern technology - NJ

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The experts looking at the evidence now say there was no case for arson. Back in 2004 before the execution, they were saying there was no case for arson.

Eye witnesses describe Willingham as extremely distraught as he was outside the house. He had to be restrained to prevent him from attempting to reenter the house. He had burn injuries from trying to do so.

There is now a big investigation of Perry's actions since the conviction was based on "junk science" according to experts today.

NJ

One guy? That's all you got. One guy whose claim to innocence is "dude's a liar&quo - Lu

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Not to mention, he said he told his 2-year-old child to get out of the house (what scared 2-year-old toddler would be able to let herself out of a burning house on her own?) yet she was found in her bed with burns on the soles of her feet. If she was awake and had awakened him during the fire, why was she back in her bed, why hadn't he taken her outside with him once he made his way out?

Willingham was also had a blood gas analysis to assess carbon monoxide in his blood, he was found to have no more carbon monoxide in his blood than someone who had smoked a cigarette which sort of negates his claim that he ran around in the smoke trying to get to his twins.

The first police officer on the scene witnessed Willinham trying to push is car away from the burning house in an effort to save the car. Does that sound like a distraught man worrying for his children?

Then there are the ER nurses and physicians who were trying to resuscitate his 2-year-old daughter in the trauma room next to his and while they were trying to save the life of his child, he hollered for a nurse and complained about his first-degree burns on the backs of his hands! Does that sound like a concerned or distraught father?

Let's not forget that that Willingham is a wife beater who beat his wife while she was pregnant in an attempt to abort the twins.

And then there are his multitude of excuses for how the fire started from electrical shorts in the attic which were not found, shorted out ceiling fan (the house had absolutely NO ceiling fans in any room), he blamed it on his 2-year-old daughter who he claims was obsessed with fire, and finally some random person broke into his house in the middle of the night, stole nothing, set it afire, and left. Take your pick!

This does not sound like an innocent man to me!

I know you bleeding hearts are always searching for that holy grail, the innocent victim, falsely convicted and on death row, but this guy is not it! Keep searching!

Not innocent - MTCO

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You must of misinterpreted. I put the excerpt there because I wanted readers to see how ridiculous this guy's excuse was, to me at least, it was so far-fetched. Anyway, he is R.I.H. (Rotting In Hades).

Sorry, I meant my reply for NJ and the other liberals against capital punishment. - Lu

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You wanted more - NJ

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Twelfth death row prisoner released in Illinois after being proven innocent

Ernest Willis (read through the article, he's mentioned near the end)

And this piece tells of 6 more.

Nothing is perfect, including the justice system. There's no reason to execute people when it's cheaper to keep 'em in jail 'til they die naturally.

There is no reason to kill a baby when in 9 short months... - watcher

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it could be given up for adoption and given a chance to live. Let murderers live out their natural lives on our dime, but kill babies who are only asking for 9 months? Talk about twisted logic. And why does your heart not bleed for THEM??

Do you really think ~ sm - Anoni~

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Assuming that all these babies would be put up for adoption, that there are 40,000 people in the US who are ready, willing and able to adopt them every year? The cost, requirements and loopholes that one must jump through to adopt in this country make that highly unlikely. Why do you think that so many people go outside of this country to adopt? The crappy foster care system is already overloaded, why would anyone want to sentence a chlid to that?

And no, murders shouldn't live out their lives on our dime! In my state it costs on average $50,00 a year to house one of these so-called people in a maximum security system. That's about 4 years worth of salary for me, and only $20,000 less than both my husband and I make together in a year. Neithe of us has ever committed a crime, why should we be punished?

Just a note to cost - NJ

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Costs vary from state to state, and I appreciate that you've done the homework on costs for the maximum security prisons in yours. If you tried to find the cost of capital punishment per conviction you might find the number around 2mil.

NJ

I found every stat but that one ~ sm - Anoni~

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The last execution here was in 2001, so obviously they don't carry them out often. The cost is still ridiculous.

I know a lot of people, who for the cost of a few shotgun shells, would have taken out Gary Ridgway, AKA The Green River Killer. Sadly, he didn't even get the death penalty due to plea bargaining. I'm sure his care and upkeep is costing us more than 50K a year too, as I hear he is kept totally separate from anyone else in the prison population ~ they are afraid someone might kill him ~ imagine that?

Sorry, he (and other obviously guilty people like him) are my pet peeve for numerous reasons.

please take religion out of the equation - Snow Bunny

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Not everybody shares your belief system. So, if you're ever sitting in the juror on a murder trial, you don't have to vote for it.

Name an innocent person who has been executed? Ever hear of Leo Frank?

How? It's a moral issue based on at least two biblical concepts, "Thou Shalt Not Kill&quo - Lu

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"an eye for an eye..." There is a reason the ten commandments have graced the walls of many U.S. Courthouses. The concept of right and wrong and consequence and punishment for sin are the biblical concepts that the Justice System was founded and built upon.

Sickening and cowardly - me

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Shame on you - you don't want to THINK about the fact that YOU are paying for murder - guilty or innocent - so you ask ME to prove it without checking it out for yourself. Cowardly.

Then you go on to demonstrate your LACK of character with the rest of your sick comments.

I encourage ANY reader here who is willing to *think* about this disgusting domestic policy (which by the way costs 2 to 5 times MORE than life in prison) long enough to get a few facts and hear from VICTIMS' families who say "don't kill for me."

http://www.mvfr.org/

We won't know, will we, because as soon as the execution is - finished, the case never reopens. NM

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you know what I find interesting? - Snow Bunny

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If somebody on death row needed medical attention, and that medical treatment would require finding an IV access, but the prisoner had collapsed veins, would the medical personnel stop trying to find a vein because what they're doing is "cruel and inhuman?"

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