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Akin's remarks

Posted: Aug 21, 2012

Pregnancy will not result unless a woman is raped, so if she gets pregnant, she wasn't really raped, she enjoyed it, the juices and secretions were flowing and welcomed the sperm.

How insulting. How disrespectful.

This is what is borne out of selling your political soul to the right wing. Poor Mr. Akin probably thought he'd get kudos from his party radicals riding on the snowball of their anti-female rhetoric. After all, Paul Ryan co-signed his "forcible rape" bill (the mere fact rape was qualified or "defined" is inexcusable). If it's good enough for the VP pick, why not? Then he says in his apology, it was just one sentence, one word. No, it's an attitude and an attitude that he should have kept a secret, for his own good, that is.

Personhood bills, trying to defund Planned Parenthood, cooking up bills to outlaw abortion (but only for those "forcibly raped," all the rest of you that enjoyed it, no abortion for you!). All those things were SO much more important than passing bills that would put people back to work, finding new sources of energy, making our world livable for our great-grandchildren, etc.

All that's coming back to bite them now, isn't it?

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Dude needs to get out of politics and take some - physiology classes.

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He didn't say that. - You're editorializing.

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You're way off. Here's the exact quote in question:

“It seems to me, from what I understand from doctors, that’s really rare,” Mr. Akin said of pregnancies from rape. “If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. But let’s assume that maybe that didn’t work or something: I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be of the rapist, and not attacking the child.”

Where do you claim he said, "Pregnancy will not result unless a woman is raped, so if she gets pregnant, she wasn't really raped, she enjoyed it, the juices and secretions were flowing and welcomed the sperm.

I did not quote him - bootstraps

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What is a legitimate rape? And what "thing" can rape victims shut down? Are you defending him?

So if it's "legitimate," the body shuts it down. If it's not "legitimate" she gets pregnant, unless for some reason that shutdown process that we all learned about in biology didn't work.

So again, please tell me what legitimate is and did the female body get the memo?

Forgive me for paraphrasing him. However, there is no mistaking his misguided resource: ”The facts show that people who are raped — who are truly raped — the juices don’t flow, the body functions don’t work and they don’t get pregnant. Medical authorities agree that this is a rarity, if ever.” ... Rep Henry Aldridge, NC.

What gets me is that many republicans including - VTMT

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John McCain have said similar things in the past. I believe someone posted some quotes a few days ago. This physiological miracle has apparently been widely believed by republican men for years, and they have probably convinced their women as well.

I feel so much better now - ...

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Not the OP, but I do believe the poster meant "if" rather than "unless". The exact quote from Mr. Akin - regarding "legitimate rape" - provides no consolation.

I don't believe the OP was trying...sm - JTBB

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to quote him, but rather just emphasized the only rationale available for such a ridiculous statement. Hence, from "the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down," meaning if she's raped her body would miraculously prevent pregnancy. Thus, according to Akin logic, if you are pregnant, you weren't raped. As far as juices and secretions, that comes from the lunatic doc who started the whole pro-life thing, and that is what Akin was referring to.

Good analysis bootstraps!

I had that same thought... - grs

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The post seemed to embellish what was actually said. Easy to start rumors.

it was my conclusion - bootstraps

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When you justify rape by defining it, that is something no one should accept.

I didn't embellish at all. I interpreted. What conclusion did you reach from his comments?

If you really want to get to the bottom of it..sm - JTBB

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you could look at the logic for having the mythical science involved. If those who are raped can't get pregnant, then those who are pregnant must have really just been "bad girls." It's easier to justify making a woman carry a child to term if was her own fault as opposed to something that was forced on her. It doesn't taste so bad to voters when you put it that way.

This whole argument isn't about preserving life - Control Freak

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When are people going to wake up? It's about control and shame... all while hiding behind the bible and screaming about dead babies.

When the issue of abortion comes up, how many times have you heard that a woman should "just keep her legs closed" or something along those lines? I've heard that right here on this board more than once. Women are NOT supposed to enjoy sex, dontcha know, unless they're godless and dirty. Sex is for babymaking... nothing else.

For some - NOT ALL - of the pro-lifers (mostly the RW crazies), preserving life and seeking justice for the "unborn" is just a front to try to put laws in place in order to control women's sexual habits, control women's minds, and force them to pass their moral sniff test before making decisions that affect their own lives as well as the lives of their families. The only reason they are doing this after a woman is pregnant is because they have no way of forcing women to have to pass this moral sniff test before they decide to "open their legs." The fun in shaming them is probably better afterwards anyway because they've already proven themselves to be bad or dirty... that's sooo much better than a woman who is just considering being that way.

Hence the reluctance to work with those horrible pro-abortion people (they just don't seem to get that being pro-choice does NOT mean pro-abortion) in order to provide education and access to reliable birth control to everyone. They're just sluts trying to help other sluts have sex on the taxpayers' dime. And, despite pro-lifers and pro-choicers having a common goal of trying to prevent abortion, that doesn't matter because they don't think like the pro-lifers. Pro-choicers are too concerned about the potential health and emotional toll an unplanned pregnancy can have on a woman instead of being concerned about the sweet little embryos, so pro-lifers are not interested in working with them to prevent abortion. Just abstain!

It also explains the willingness to abandon those who have outgrown the cute-and-cuddly fetal stage and have a little trouble getting by in the world. It's not THEIR fault that the child was born to a dirty mother who can't support it. Sorry kid, but maybe if your mom worked instead of having so much sex she would be able to feed, clothe, shelter, and educate you.

This "legitimate" rape thing as well as efforts to redefine rape is yet another attempt to lump more women into the "dirty" category. Actually going to the point of stating - in public - that if a woman is "truly" raped, she will not get pregnant (which suggests that if a woman did get pregnant as a result of rape she actually was a willing participant and wanted it!!) is a new low... not to mention scientifically bogus. Seriously, in order to register republican, and especially if you plan to run for office as a republican, it should be mandatory that you take a basic biology course. Do any of them stop to think of the consequences of their words? How do you think the girl who found herself pregnant as a result of rape feels when she hears these accusations... especially if that girl hasn't taken biology in her sophomore year yet and tends to believe the garbage being spewed because it's coming from an adult? It's just disgusting.

I know people who are passionately pro-life, however, are not hung up on the actions it takes to get pregnant. And any of them will tell you that the best way to prevent abortion is effective birth control... not shaming people about sex.

Bottom line... the crazies' sexual hang-ups, control issues, and unwillingness to help prevent abortion through sensible effective birth control measures will actually cause MORE unplanned pregnancies and ultimately abortions. And just how does that help the unborn?

indeed. one would wonder if the sanctity of human life extends to - grown women

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Wow...such hate. - nm

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I prefer anger - bootstraps

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I'm surprised you're not.

I'm also angry this falls into the political genre.

Do you realize if rape is broken into categories and this categorization is "legitimized," rape as a crime can be minmimized? Especially when our elected officials endorse it?

Carol Tobias, president of the National Right to Life Committee, says that Akin's...sm - VTMT

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Akin's comments were "based on some old studies". She then stopped short and said his comments were "stupid". What are the "old studies" she was talking about?

John Willke - JTBB

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._C._Willke

This recent paragraph caught my eye. sm - VTMT

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John C. Willke is an American medical doctor, author, and pro-life activist. Along with his wife Barbara, he is the author of a number of books on abortion and human sexuality. He is the founder and president of the International Right to Life Federation and president of the Life Issues Institute. He is a former president of National Right to Life.
Willke earned his M.D. from the University of Cincinnati in 1948, and practiced as a family practitioner for much of his medical career.

Willke is a proponent of the concept that rape victims rarely get pregnant, stating in a 1999 article that "There's no greater emotional trauma that can be experienced by a woman than an assault rape. This can radically upset her possibility of ovulation, fertilization, implantation and even nurturing of a pregnancy" and that by his calculations "assault" rape pregnancy is extremely rare and about four cases per state per year.[3] In an interview on August 20, 2012, following the Todd Akin rape and pregnancy controversy, he said: "This is a traumatic thing — she’s, shall we say, she’s uptight. She is frightened, tight, and so on. And sperm, if deposited in her vagina, are less likely to be able to fertilize. The tubes are spastic." These assertions were disputed by a number of gynecology professors.[4] A study published in 1996 by the Medical University of South Carolina estimated that there are approximately 32,000 pregnancies from rape in the United States each year, a pregnancy rate of 5% per rape among victims of reproductive age.[5]
Mitt Romney's 2007 campaign embraced Willke as “an important surrogate for Governor Romney's pro-life and pro-family agenda”,[6] and Romney expressed is pride to "have the support of a man who has meant so much to the pro-life movement in our country."[7]
In August 2012 during the Todd Akin rape and pregnancy controversy, Willke wrote a letter to Todd Akin in which he stated "It's time for Republican leaders to rise to the level of Rep. Akin's principle and courage and stand with him and the Republican platform that stands for the protection of every human life."

an interesting read - ...nm

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