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A loophole in immigration law is costing thousands of American jobs


Posted: Feb 21, 2015

That's what has happened to hundreds of information technology employees at Southern California Edison. Since last summer, Edison, which serves nearly 14 million customers, has been firing its domestic IT workers and replacing them with outsourced employees from India.

In doing so, the utility is exploiting a gaping loophole in immigration law, which Congress has failed to close despite years of warnings that it's costing thousands of American jobs.

The Indian workers are brought in on H-1B visas, which are temporary work permits for "specialty occupations" — those requiring "highly specialized knowledge" and a bachelor's degree.

The purpose is to allow employers to fill slots for which adequately trained Americans aren't available, not to replace existing workers with cheap foreign labor. That's why employers such as Google and Microsoft, which say they're short of highly trained software engineers, have lobbied hard to expand the program beyond the 65,000 visas available annually. These high-tech companies say they can't meet their needs from the pool of U.S. graduates in STEM specialties — science, technology, engineering and math.

But Edison is using the program for a different purpose — to cut its wage costs, possibly by as much as 40%, according to data compiled by Ron Hira, a public policy expert at Howard University.

The pay for Edison's domestic IT specialists is about $80,000 to $160,000 not including benefits, with the average at about $120,000 for experienced personnel, according to records Edison submitted to the state Public Utilities Commission. The two Indian outsourcing firms providing workers to Edison, Tata Consultancy Services and Infosys, pay their recruits an average of about $65,000 to $71,000, according to their federal filings.

"They told us they could replace one of us with three, four, or five Indian personnel and still save money," one laid-off Edison worker told me, recounting a group meeting with supervisors last year. "They said, 'We can get four Indian guys for cheaper than the price of you.' You could hear a pin drop in the room."

This worker and the half-dozen others I interviewed asked to remain anonymous because their severance packages forbid them to speak disparagingly about the company.

These employees perform the crucial work of installing, maintaining and managing Edison's computer hardware and software for functions as varied as payroll and billing, dispatching and electrical load management across Edison's vast power generating and electric transmission network. The workers I interviewed are in their 50s or 60s and have spent decades serving as loyal Edison employees.

They're not the sort of uniquely creative engineering aces that high-tech companies say they need H-1B visas to hire from abroad, or foreign students with master's degrees or doctorates from U.S. universities who also can be employed under the H-1B program. They're experienced systems analysts and technicians for whom these jobs have been stairways from the working class to five- or six-figure middle-class incomes. Many got their training at technical institutes or from Edison itself.

Some laid-off Edison employees say the transition is not going well.

'We can get four Indian guys for cheaper than the price of you,' laid-off Edison worker says bosses told him.

Link:  http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-20150222-column.html#page=1

 

Sound familiar?

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Hope they replaced all Libs/Progs - Thy're the one wanting open borders

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we don't share a border with India - sm

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Read the article. It's not the fault of immigration law.

We know that - it was in reference to IMMIGRATION and - open borders - but you had to add the snark

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Open borders lets everyone and anyone in for any country...you do realize that don't you.

Your endless harassment of posters amuses only you, and demonstrates the lack of knowledge regarding these posts.
Thank you for your post. - sm
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You have expressed my thoughts exactly. Thank you.

Too bad this administration cares more for non-Americans - Truthhurts

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than true Americans. Those workers (in any industry) that are displaced in favor of non-Americans should be able to bring suit for discrimination but we all know how that would turn out, don't we?

Patriot - anonie

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I think it is unpatriot and downright treasonous to hire illegals and others coming from different countries when our own people are suffering without good paying jobs.

Not sure if I heard it here, but California and places like Google and Facebook I think are firing their employees and replacing them with these foreign people. Then they want more of those visas that will bring in more foreign people and ruin any hope of a good job in the internet arena.

I for one think this is abominable and again I would say treasonous.

What happened to being proud of what we made or did in this country. Greed just captured every single area of business and now we are a world of people who are struggling to compete in our own country for jobs that are eventually given to the foreign people who come here.

I'd say it is time to stop any immigration till we can get back on our feet.

I am for helping people in other countries with devastating natural disasters, etc., but I refuse to uphold this kind of behavior from business or government who allow it.

And under Obama, companies hiring Illegals are given - $3000 tax credit - after what O

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has done to our economy, he has put businesses behind the 8-ball too. Twenty minutes of this blowhard Obama was 20 minutes too many...without a doubt, the single dumbest pres in my lifetime. He has made the entire country a mess and not with just illegals. Cannot swing a cat without hitting an illegal in my neighborhood now - AND THEY DO WITHOUT NOTHING AND I MEAN NOTHING, while I am working 3 jobs to support their law breaking a$$ES$.
Wait a minute... - question for you
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You "cannot swing a cat without hitting an illegal" in your neighborhood? How on earth do you know they're illegal? Do you go around asking people for their papers? Is one of your 3 jobs immigration enforcement agent?
Companies hiring illegals are given a $3,000 tax credit? - sm
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That is not exactly a true statement there. Immigration is this country has been going on for 100s of years now; it is not a new concept championed by Obama.

How do you feel about all of the front runners for the GOP nomination being in support of a path to citizenship for illegals? That is, I am assuming, if none of them flip-flop on the issue before/during the debates and the primaries.
That true and Koskinen testified to EXACTLY THAT - You really need to do some research
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It is a 100% true statement. Guess you think you Liberal Koskinen is a liar then. Try actually watching the hearings instead of MSNBC, CNN or the other commie rags.
Commission Koskinen testified about a loophole in the tax law - sm
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that would allow illegals to collect Earned Income Tax Credit unless that loophole is closed, an unintended consequence of the EO. If that loophole is not closed, I will be right there with you in being against it. Regardless, it is still not a 100% true statement that companies who hire illegals are given a $3,000 tax credit.

I don't think Commissioner Koskinen is a liar, and I also don't appreciate straw man arguments that insinuate what I believe and purport to know my viewing habits.
Keep digging - will take Longer than 9 mintues - HE TESTIFIED TO THE $3000 TAX CREDIT
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Too bad you did not take the time to review and research...easy to find.

Personally, I do not care what YOU appreciate, especially since you are so quick to attack the truth. Also, do not are what you think of Koskinen..He's nothing more than left w extremist nut job. No straw argument other than what you posted.

I think most liberals would actually agree with you, but probably not quite for the same reasons. - sm

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Actually, workers in the MT and auto and many other industries have been displaced for decades by "non-Americans," but it's not illegal for American companies to move their operations offshore in search of cheap foreign wages and in order to mitigate their U.S. tax burdens. That's referred to as capitalism rather than discrimination, and displaced workers here have no recourse if American companies and CEOs are choosing to offshore or outsource Americans' jobs.

As far as workers displaced in America by non-citizens (if by "non Americans" you mean "non-citizens"), they actually do have recourse for discrimination under Title VII if they can prove in a court of law that the company they work for discriminated against them by hiring a non-American. It's illegal for individuals and companies to employ non-Americans without legal work permits, but it is certainly not illegal for a company to seek work permits/visas in order to employ non-citizens; that's also referred to as capitalism.

No one could lose their job to an illegal worker unless individuals and companies were willing to hire illegal workers.

There is a very good article on the U.S. 2015-2016 Manufacturing outlook - Truthhurts

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in Forbes. MT'g is destined to be forever offshored unless Congress makes it illegal (never happen).

It makes sense as to why some companies offshore (because the market for their products are growing in those countries and it's cheaper than shipping) and other reasons, but it's truly not because of taxes as some would have you believe.

The last few paragraphs state:
The trend to reshoring will continue, but it will be limited to a few industries where it makes a lot of sense. Further offshoring will probably be limited—those companies that would benefit from offshoring have already made their moves. Domestic production of manufactured goods will continue based on our economic growth.

Looking forward, I assume that additional offshoring will be roughly offset by reshoring, and we’ll go back to manufacturing production moving closer to GDP growth. There will never be a one-to-one ratio of manufacturing growth to GDP growth so long as services continue to expand, aside from short-term cyclical recoveries. However, the growth of manufacturing will be much better than recent history. I won’t call it a boom, but it’s the next best thing.

Finally, don’t expect manufacturing employment to grow along with production. The fastest-growing parts of manufacturing will be those that use the least labor. Productivity in factories continues to improve, so the best jobs picture we can hope for is flat. The peak year for U.S. manufacturing employment was 1979, and we’re not going back there.

I hope everyone takes the time to read this article because it's really sensible and down to earth.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/billconerly/2014/09/02/reshoring-or-offshoring-u-s-manufacturing-forecast-2015-2016/
Surprise, I agree! I was lucky in that when MT became...sm - VTMT
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unprofitable and untenable for me I was pretty ready to retire. If I had been younger I would have gone back to nursing. I wish all the youngsters well in transitioning to a new career. Opportunities abound in the medical field and knowing the language gives them a head start.

Welcome to cyberworld. These MT workers live in India not the US. - nm

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Big Deal - who cares where they live? You missed the point - completely., GIVE THE JOBS TO AMERICANS
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