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2 former Gitmo prisoners behind terror plot on NW Airlines
Posted: Dec 28, 2009
Brian Ross reports via The Blotter that 2 former Guantanamo prisoners are now believed to have been behind the terror attempt on Northwest Airlines flight 253. Two of the four leaders allegedly behind the al Qaeda plot to blow up a Northwest Airlines passenger jet over Detroit were released by the U.S. from the Guantanamo prison [...]
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Former Gitmo Prisoners Believed Behind Northwest Airlines Bomb Plot
What about the people who let them on - see message
[ In Reply To ..]I see nobody on the news is talking about the people behind it. Evidently the guy didn't have a passport or even ticket. When out of the blue someone dressed very well walked up to the counter and said something to them, and low and behold he was allowed to enter the flight. No passport...no ticket.
Why doesn't the news media focus on who was really behind it.
Obama Under Pressure to Prevent Yemeni Detainees From Returning Home - Bluejay
[ In Reply To ..]The Obama administration is under pressure to consider transferring the dozens of Yemeni detainees at Guantanamo Bay somewhere other than their home country, given Yemen's poor record of keeping terror suspects in prison and the country's growing prominence as a staging ground for attacks.
Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula has claimed responsibility for the attempted attack on a Detroit-bound flight on Christmas. Sources said the suspect, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, traveled to Yemen before the attempt and may have been "vetted for the mission" and supplied with explosive material while there.
Meanwhile, the Obama administration needs to decide what to do with the remaining detainees at Guantanamo Bay, nearly half of whom are from Yemen. Despite concerns, the administration just sent six detainees back to Yemen last week.
But one alternative to Yemen might be next-door Saudi Arabia, which Al Qaeda increasingly is threatening.
Robert Jordan, former U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia, said the Middle Eastern nation would have a natural "self-interest" in working with the United States on the issue and called the country a reliable partner.
"The Saudis have a pretty good system of sorting out who's who. It's not perfect, but it's going to be a lot more effective than allowing the Yemenis to do what they've done in the past, which is to cast a blind eye at the effectiveness of detention," Jordan said.
"I don't think there's anybody we're going to send back to Yemen who's going to stay in jail -- no one has," said Stewart Baker, former assistant secretary in the Department of Homeland Security.
All the suspects convicted of being involved in the 2000 attack on the USS Cole have either been released by Yemeni authorities or managed to escape in a 2008 jailbreak. Some of the detainees sent back during the Bush administration are now leading Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula.
Some Republicans still feel the president should delay , if not change, his decision to close Guantanamo Bay.
"We have about 90 Yemenis left in Gitmo," said Rep. Pete Hoekstra, R-Mich. "They should stay there. They should not go back to Yemen."
Meanwhile, the Supreme Court steadily has chipped away at the Bush administration's attempts to deny the detainees legal rights. At some point, the court may rule that detainees must face trial, prompting warnings that the suspects might just end up in the United States.
"The question will be, you've got to let them go and you can't send them to another country, so what are you going to do? You let them go inside the U.S. -- this would be crazy, but that is what the default is under the law," Baker said.
The Obama administration has determined that a prison in Thomson, Ill., will serve as the next holding pen for Guantanamo detainees, though it's not clear when that facility will be upgraded to support the terror suspects.
In the meantime, lawmakers say, the United States must work to prevent Yemen, which is the poorest Arab country and has one of the weakest governments in the Middle East, from becoming the next battleground.
"Iraq was yesterday's war. Afghanistan is today's war. If we don't act preemptively, Yemen will be tomorrow's war. That's the danger we face," Sen. Joseph Lieberman, I-Conn., said on "Fox News Sunday."
Yemen Says Terror Suspect Was in Country - Bluejay
[ In Reply To ..]Yemen's government said Monday that the Nigerian accused in the Christmas day attack on a U.S. airliner visited Yemen this year, and that authorities were investigating his activities during his stay.
In a statement, the Yemeni Foreign Ministry says Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab was in Yemen from early August until early December after receiving a visa to study Arabic in a school in San'a.
Monday's statement said Abdulmutallab had previously studied at the school, indicating it was not his first trip to Yemen.
It said he was granted a Yemeni visa after authorities were reassured that he had "several visas from a number of friendly countries," the statement said. It noted that Abdulmutallab had a valid visa to the United States, which he had visited in the past.
"Authorities are currently investigating who he was in contact with in Yemen and the results of the investigation will be delivered to those concerned with investigating the terror plot in the United States," the ministry said.
Earlier Monday, Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula claimed responsibility for the attack and said it was retaliation for a U.S. operation against the group in Yemen.
Somebody better tell Obama & Nappy - Astute
[ In Reply To ..]DHS, specifically Nappy, stated emphatically that there was ZERO evidence that the crotch bomber didn't act alone...
Having these TOP-NOTCH, CRACKER-JACK "EXPERTS" on the case makes me feel safer now. How bout you?!
Yep - NJ
[ In Reply To ..]I feel safer than I did while that idiot Dubya wasted all our time in Iraq while al-qaeda spread so far that we have barely a prayer of containing them now.
Don't blame him, it's Obama's problem now? That's a crock. Dubya is responsible for not getting our allies together and going after Bin Laden while the world was on our side. He squandered the good will that 9/11 granted us and ran after Saddam, the guy who insulted Dubya's daddy.
We are in deep, deep doo now, almost a decade later. Al-qaeda has cells spread worldwide, here, in Europe, who knows where, and is firmly entrenched in the middle East. Firmly. Hidden by geography and supported by the locals.
All we can do now is try to replace the incompetent boot lickers that Dubya and crew put into federal positions as soon as we come across them. With any luck, we'll get rid of them before we get blown sky high again.
Napolitano would have to cut out half her brain to run the DHS as badly as it was before this year.
NJ
BALONEY!.. Call Bush all the names you want, your - usual trashing, NJ, but Obama is weak.
[ In Reply To ..]I feel less safe with him as president as I ever have in my almost 50 years on this earth. ...AND the people who work under him? OMG!. Napolitano is pathetic. First she says the system worked, then has to go back and say it did not. She TRIES very hard to appear knowledgable, but in the end, usually looks as clueless as Obama. I hope our country survives the disaster elected for the next three years.
I agree! - Dick Cheney warned us of attacks!
[ In Reply To ..]Former Vice President Dick Cheney warned that there is a âhigh probabilityâ that terrorists will attempt a catastrophic nuclear or biological attack in coming years, and said he fears the Obama administrationâs policies will make it more likely the attempt will succeed.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/18390.html
Dick's guilty too - NJ
[ In Reply To ..]If Dick was so worried, why did he push to invade Iraq instead of going after the people who caused 9/11?
The situation is critical. The mideast has been a hot spot for decades and Dubya and crew managed to pour gas on it while ignoring the flamethrower that burnt us on 9/11. Dickey has some nerve acting innocent and righteous when he had such a big part in fanning the flames.
NJ
At least "Dickey" would not be so ignorant to think - he could talk people out of killing us.
[ In Reply To ..]Obama seems to think he can. Obama's inexperience in National Security and his childish way of thinking could be the end of us all. Also, when someone you put in charge asks for more troops, and it takes you MONTHS to make a decision?.. unbelievable! I have relatives in the military who will never forgive Obama for that one.
Hey NJ...Just heard tonight that there has been.... - AzRain
[ In Reply To ..]12 terrorist attacks (attempted or completed) on US soil this year alone....which is more than we had from 2001 through 2008, a total of 7 years, which just happens to coincide with Bush's term. Coincidence? I don't think so. The terrorists know America has been weakened with this kumbiya president, and they're acting on that knowledge.
attempted or COMPLETED? Do you have a link please? (nm) - Nikki
[ In Reply To ..]NM
Here ya go, but this is up to 2007. - Bluejay
[ In Reply To ..]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,335500,00.html
The following is a list of known terror plots thwarted by the U.S. government since Sept. 11, 2001.
⢠December 2001, Richard Reid: British citizen attempted to ignite shoe bomb on flight from Paris to Miami.
⢠May 2002, Jose Padilla: American citizen accused of seeking radioactive-laced "dirty bomb" to use in an attack against Amrica. Padilla was convicted of conspiracy in August, 2007.
⢠September 2002, Lackawanna Six: American citizens of Yemeni origin convicted of supporting Al Qaeda after attending jihadist camp in Pakistan. Five of six were from Lackawanna, N.Y.
⢠Click to view photos of suspected terrorists and attack sites.
⢠May 2003, Iyman Faris: American citizen charged with plotting to use blowtorches to collapse the Brooklyn Bridge.
⢠June 2003, Virginia Jihad Network: Eleven men from Alexandria, Va., trained for jihad against American soldiers, convicted of violating the Neutrality Act, conspiracy.
⢠August 2004, Dhiren Barot: Indian-born leader of terror cell plotted bombings on financial centers (see additional images).
⢠August 2004, James Elshafay and Shahawar Matin Siraj: Sought to plant bomb at New York's Penn Station during the Republican National Convention.
⢠August 2004, Yassin Aref and Mohammed Hossain: Plotted to assassinate a Pakistani diplomat on American soil.
⢠June 2005, Father and son Umer Hayat and Hamid Hayat: Son convicted of attending terrorist training camp in Pakistan; father convicted of customs violation.
⢠August 2005, Kevin James, Levar Haley Washington, Gregory Vernon Patterson and Hammad Riaz Samana: Los Angeles homegrown terrorists who plotted to attack National Guard, LAX, two synagogues and Israeli consulate.
⢠December 2005, Michael Reynolds: Plotted to blow up natural gas refinery in Wyoming, the Transcontinental Pipeline, and a refinery in New Jersey. Reynolds was sentenced to 30 years in prison.
⢠February 2006, Mohammad Zaki Amawi, Marwan Othman El-Hindi and Zand Wassim Mazloum: Accused of providing material support to terrorists, making bombs for use in Iraq.
⢠April 2006, Syed Haris Ahmed and Ehsanul Islam Sadequee: Cased and videotaped the Capitol and World Bank for a terrorist organization.
⢠June 2006, Narseal Batiste, Patrick Abraham, Stanley Grant Phanor, Naudimar Herrera, Burson Augustin, Lyglenson Lemorin, and Rotschild Augstine: Accused of plotting to blow up the Sears Tower.
⢠July 2006, Assem Hammoud: Accused of plotting to bomb New York City train tunnels.
⢠August 2006, Liquid Explosives Plot: Thwarted plot to explode ten airliners over the United States.
⢠March 2007, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed: Mastermind of Sept. 11 and author of numerous plots confessed in court in March 2007 to planning to destroy skyscrapers in New York, Los Angeles and Chicago. Mohammedalso plotted to assassinate Pope John Paul II and former President Bill Clinton.
⢠May 2007, Fort Dix Plot: Six men accused of plotting to attack Fort Dix Army base in New Jersey. The plan included attacking and killing soldiers using assault rifles and grenades.
⢠June 2007, JFK Plot: Four men are accused of plotting to blow up fuel arteries that run through residential neighborhoods at JFK Airport in New York.
⢠September 2007, German authorities disrupt a terrorist cell that was planning attacks on military installations and facilities used by Americans in Germany. The Germans arrested three suspected members of the Islamic Jihad Union, a group that has links to Al Qaeda and supports Al Qaeda's global jihadist agenda.
Here are some more links. - Bluejay
[ In Reply To ..]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/27/two-chicago-men-charged-i_n_335323.html
2 Chicago men plotting attack at malls.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/21/massachusetts-terror-terrorism-plot
Oh forget it. TOO MANY LIST!!!!
Do you have any links for the COMPLETED ones? - nm
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Gave you the attempted ones in your post above. - Hopefully no completed ones in the next few days.
[ In Reply To ..]Almost had a completed one on Christmas. I guess we will find out in the next 30 days the completed ones.
Please see message. (sm) - Nikki
[ In Reply To ..]The reason I asked about completed ones (and capped the word "completed") was because of what AZRain wrote:
"12 terrorist attacks (attempted or completed) on US soil this year alone"
"Attempted or COMPLETED." I'd like to know the ones that were COMPLETED on US soil this year.
I agree there are attempts all the time. After all, they want to kill us.
But to say "attempted or completed" implies there were some that were completed, and I don't recall any that were "completed."
All I can say as a Metro Detroiter is that... - Wow!
[ In Reply To ..]Thank GOD I have to have a passport or Nexus card to get back and forth from our cottage in Ontario. I feel so much safer! NOT! What a load of happy horses**t that legislation was!
See link:
Vacationing on the beach? - NJ
[ In Reply To ..]Please get your head out of the sand. The attack that started this all was during Bush's administration because the zealots knew Bush was weak. Remember that picture of him looking confused while reading with the kiddies when he heard of 9/11? By that time, Cheney was already in hiding, being the paranoid that he is.
When you shake off the sand in your eyes and ears, maybe you'll remember all the attempts after that and before Bush left office. It's well above a dozen. If you are defending Dubya and company, remember that they always claimed they couldn't tell us about all the attacks they thwarted. It was a secret, ya know.
The attacks will continue because Dubya blew the chance to get Bin Laden and al qaeda had grown and grown since 9/11. We will pay for Dubya's huge mistake, there is no doubt. The mideast is the worst it's been in our lifetimes, and we can thank Dubya for that. No president yet has solved the problem. If Obama does, maybe we should start worshiping him.
NJ
NJ, do you EVER say anything other than to blame - the Bush administration?
[ In Reply To ..]You're like a 50yo who is blaming their life on the fact they had a rotten childhood. MOVE ON! Maybe you can come up with some suggestions for the change I'm sure you voted for.
You noticed that too...you are right on. nm - TryAgain
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Vacuum - NJ
[ In Reply To ..]Perhaps you can explain how, in a single year, you think someone can be successful at solving a decades-old problem made exponentially worse during the preceding administration.
We do not live in a vacuum. Life did not start in January 2009. Get your head out of that dark, airless place and get some perspective.
NJ
Yes! Vacationing on the beach! - jessme
[ In Reply To ..]What do you think he's doing in Hawaii with his family on his Christmas vacation??? Summit meetings?
NJ- You stated this before. It doesn't work. Read up - Backwards Typist
[ In Reply To ..]on U.S. protocol for the president and VP. They are to be taken to a safe zone immediately. You should know that! They didn't run and hide as you state.
If you are thinking that way, what happens if another 911 happens and they whisk O and Biden to a safe zone? Will you also state they are paranoid?
I also posted a link months ago from the unclassified documents that showed it was not Bush, but Clinton that missed the chance to get Bin Laden.
She's not interested. - *fingers in ears*
[ In Reply To ..]"LalalalalalaBushdiditBushdiditlalalalala"
Clinton v Bush - NJ
[ In Reply To ..]Yes, Clinton could have killed Bin Laden before 9/11, and Bush Sr. actually supported Bin Laden in the 80's. Neither of those mistakes (in hindsight) excuse the years we wasted in Iraq when we should have been going after al qaeda. Clinton's error was one of omission. Bush Sr's was one of commission. Dubya's was one of lunacy, committing us to a war when we were already involved in the "war on terror".
Dubya was the one in office when the first attack on our own soil came. He took the country in another direction instead of addressing those who killed 3k of our citizens. Now we are far behind. Can you understand that? How al qaeda has grown and entrenched itself in all the years since 9/11? Can you grasp how it is now a worldwide organization with cells operating independently so that, even if we cut off the head, the body will continue to function?
I don't ask that sarcastically. I'm serious. It is a threat akin to WW3. It should scare the pants off us. Worst of all, it may be too late to fix.
NJ
Well, then... - I guess
[ In Reply To ..]"I don't ask that sarcastically. I'm serious. It is a threat akin to WW3. It should scare the pants off us. Worst of all, it may be too late to fix."
We can ALL sit back and blame it on George Bush.
Your constant blame and misdirection masks your good points in discussion.
Al Qaeda attacked the Twin Towers in the 90s when Clinton was prez! - nm
[ In Reply To ..].
The "huge mistake" was actually made by Clinton first, not Bush. (SM) - Get the facts straight
[ In Reply To ..]Clinton had several opportunities to "get" Bin Laden long before Bush took office but he chose not to. This was after Bin Laden planned and executed the first attack on the World Trade Centers, which happened while Clinton was in office.
Of course you can go farther back and blame others as well, republicans as well as democrats, for Bin Laden's continued threat against the US. At this point it really does not matter who is or was at fault.
What does matter; however, is the fact that our country has been weakened. Obama is a wonderful speaker and I believe that he thought that he could talk to people and produce peace. I have no problems with that, wish to God that it could happen; however, I believe that these people are beyond talking. They have it in their minds that we are a threat, will always be a threat and as long as Obama and his administration do not take some type of action (and NO I am not at all a war monger, I have 2 SILs serving in Iraq and want them home TODAY, but I am also a realistic)the threat will continue and more Americans will eventually die.
Actually, I think Clinton had the chance to get Osama but said NO.... - he was toooooo busy I guess....nm
[ In Reply To ..].
More on this story. I can't believe Obama wants half of Gitmo released to Yenen. - Bluejay
[ In Reply To ..]National Terror Alert:
Apparently the "art therapy' classes some Guantanamo prisoners are receiving as part of their "rehabilitation" is not working so well in deterring future attacks. Brian Ross reports via The Blotter that 2 former Guantanamo prisoners are now believed to have been behind the terror attempt on Northwest Airlines flight 253.
Brian Ross reports via The Blotter that 2 former Guantanamo prisoners are now believed to have been behind the terror attempt on Northwest Airlines flight 253.
Two of the four leaders allegedly behind the al Qaeda plot to blow up a Northwest Airlines passenger jet over Detroit were released by the U.S. from the Guantanamo prison in November, 2007, according to American officials and Department of Defense documents. Al Qaeda claimed responsibility for the Northwest bombing in a Monday statement that vowed more attacks on Americans.
American officials agreed to send the two terrorists from Guantanamo to Saudi Arabia where they entered into an âart therapy rehabilitation programâ and were set free, according to U.S. and Saudi officials.
Guantanamo prisoner #333, Muhamad Attik al-Harbi, and prisoner #372, Said Ali Shari, were sent to Saudi Arabia on Nov. 9, 2007, according to the Defense Department log of detainees who were released from American custody. Al-Harbi has since changed his name to Muhamad al-Awfi.
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http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/men-believed-northwest-airlines-plot-set-free/story?id=9434065
Hahah. You know I meant Yemen!!!! Not Yenen! Oops. - Bluejay
[ In Reply To ..]Sorry about that.
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