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Age discrimination
Posted: Aug 21, 2013
fiance has been having problems with a co-worker. This co-worker punctured one of our car tires and has made threats to both fiance and to me (through him). what a piece of work. He has talked to HR and his union rep who do nothing. Now, the co-worker has started a campaign taking it upon himself to get my fiance fired for not doing his job. Fiance works in a meat packing plant throwing boxes of meat. He is 47 years old. The co-worker is 35. Interestingly, there are 2 other gentleman older than my fiance doing the same job and not getting harassed by this co-worker. One of fiance's supervisors yesterday threatened to demote him and move him to second shift. I am so sick of thiis BS from his co-worker and the fact that he vandalized one of his vehicles. One day last week, co-worker gave him *&^% all day and then asked for a ride home. Really? What a tool. Wish karma would get the co-worker.
By the way, I have never met the co-worker so don't know why he feels the need to threaten me.
I am seeing age discrimination here. Any thoughts?
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No probably just being a prick so he can get a - sm - XXX
[ In Reply To ..]friend or family member a job. Probably has an "in" with someone who hires and knows a slot has to open up before his "friend" can get in. Presumed your fiance was the weakest link (or least seniority) so he became the target. The fiance needs to (1) report/call police for vandalism, probaby cameras to document it outside, (2) document all the crap co-worker is giving him, (3) be on top of his game and give supervisor no reason to fire or demote him., (4) avoid co-worker as much as possible., (5) if there are any more comments/threats try to record via phone...obviously see if this is legal to do first though in your state, usually the criminals have more rights than the victims. Good luck.
Update - anony
[ In Reply To ..]My fiance has more time with this company than his co-worker. When the tire was slashed, fiance reported it to HR and plant security. Unfortunately, cameras did NOT get it. Also reported to police. No action taken. Thankfully, insurance covered the cost of the tire.
Fiance just called on his lunch break to say co-worker told him he could not take his 2-week vacation because he needed to be off one of those weeks. He went to HR to complain. This co-worker is a WHACK-O. Going to tell fiance to talk to union about this co-worker and see what happens. If that does not, will call 1-800 number and talk to them. wish co-worker had the mentality to grow up and stop acting like a 2-year-old.
I presume the co-worker has no say-so over - sm - XXX
[ In Reply To ..]whether or not your fiance's vacation is approved. That would be up to management and HR, and others that may have had requests in for time off before he put in his request. If it comes down that he cannot take off two weeks then schedule 1 off then take the other in a few weeks.....if he has to tell the idiot he needs off Sept. 9-13...then of course sure the guy will say he needs off that week too, then put in for the real dates (e.g. Sept. 23-27) or whatever the case is.
When I used to work at a small company the person who put in the request first usually got the time off (if the dates were the same), unless of course they were always preventing someone else for that time off, they they would alternate it between the two every other year to be fair (like the week of Christmas)
Still think he targeted the person he thought would be an easy mark to bully/pick on/or make quit so he could get a buddy a job. If that is not the case then he is just a sick pup who wants to cause trouble and your fiance needs to figure out what to do to stop it. If wacko is as infantile as you think, he will get bored eventually and move onto a new target unless he has some deep hatred for your fiance for some reason.
Fiance needs to stop calling you about it - and...
[ In Reply To ..]stand up to this guy. Sounds like he is doing lots of whining in YOUR direction, rather than standing up for himself. There are always going to be mean, cruel people in life who get satisfaction out of trying to make someone else feel their life is as miserable as theirs. If your fiance does not stand up for himself, even if somehow this guy loses his job or goes to jail or whatever, there will ALWAYS be another one of him somewhere. If it were me (I'm pretty outspoken) I would confront him LOUDLY in front of as many as possible and just say "Do you have an issue with me that we need to resolve?" If he said no, I would tell him I am tired of dealing with his S%!## and if he has a problem with me in the future, to confront me and otherwise I don't have time for people like him in my life.
Your fiance could - sm
[ In Reply To ..]put a small recorder in his pocket and record the harassment. He may not be able to use it in court, but it may get the attention of an attorney (or management).
did your husband give him a ride home? - just curious
[ In Reply To ..]It doesn't sound like age discrimination, since you mention that there are two employees older than your husband.
NOOOOOO - anony
[ In Reply To ..]Do not want this guy in either or our cars. Why should he give him a ride when he threatens to "beat the &^$" out of him? This guy needs some serious anger management/psychiatric help. His family is notorious for getting into trouble with the law frequently in my area. His family members are frequently being arrested for one thing or another.
if he did actually threaten to beat his !@!% - call the police
[ In Reply To ..]Just handle it that way....terroristic threats actually gets you locked up.
If he threatened your fiance physically, that ALONE - should have been reason to be terminated.
[ In Reply To ..]x
This is garden-variety bullying, not - age discrimination
[ In Reply To ..]If this occurred as your fiance says, it is just bullying. The coworker has apparently selected fiance as a target. He is likely to be a serial bully. They victimize one person after another, getting each to leave, then selecting another within a day or two. Sometimes within hours.
The bad thing about them is that they can recruit management to their cause. They are superb spin doctors, able to fabricate stories and twist things to make others look bad. Dealing with this can require a fine balance between ignoring/avoiding the bully without appearing to do so and keeping management happy with your work. Management is often just as afraid of them as you are.
There is a lot of information online about this. You and your fiance should educate yourselves about it so that you can deal with it.
Bullies are not the stereotypical Sluggo stealing lunch money in the schoolyard. They are not always supervisors, either. Adult bullies look different. Learn what they are and what they do. They are disordered, MEAN people.
There is little legal protection for victims. Employers do not like victims who make waves about this. Most victims end up leaving the job or getting fired, so be careful about doing anything to escalate hostilities. You, in particular, need to stay out of it because your involvement is likely to get your fiance fired.
not trying to make this political, but... - MTMT
[ In Reply To ..]If they are in a union, he will have a very hard time getting this guy fired. He needs to document everything, use recorders, photos, whatever he can get hold of. Does this guy have a Facebook page? Maybe he's posted things you can take screen shots of.
He should hide a recorder in his pocket, and just ask the guy (nicely) if he has a problem with him. Don't get down to his level, keep it civil, but he could get some interesting information to take to the higher-ups.
But like I said, it won't be easy because of the union. Good luck!
On recording... - it can get YOU fired
[ In Reply To ..]You have to be very careful not to do anything that can be seen as harassing, stalking, threatening, or that could be construed as a negative interest in this person. Secretly recording them is almost guaranteed to get YOU fired.
This bully WILL use this as justifcation for his actions. The employer is NOT going to even LISTEN to a recording. They can't.
You have to remember something. The employer's goal is a conflict-free workplace. The easiest way to get it is to fire YOU. They can't do anything about the bully because they are afraid of him.
You cannot fight these people. They are evil. Even witnessed attacks will go unpunished. Employers are not prepared to deal with them. In most places, there are no laws against it and most people do not even know what it is.
Truly, if this bully and his family are that bad, your fiance might want to transfer or find a job elsewhere. Just step quietly out of the picture.
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