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I've asked my husband to move out and he will not go. What would you do?


Posted: Jun 5, 2011

Here's the back story.  He's a bum.  He hasn't held a job since 2005 when he was discharged from active duty.  He is bipolar and is an alcoholic, both of which have escalated to the point where I am completely and totally done.  I do not wish to live with him any longer.  He has done nothing but making promises of quitting drinking, getting jobs, and being a better husband and father and never makes good.  In the past year or so, he has also started looking at internet porn which is disgusting, but whatever, if that's what he wants to do, fine, do it on his own computer in his own house.  NOT MINE!  He has repeatedly done it on my computer and has given me viruses on at least three occasions which nearly put me out of work for a week.  So now I have to treat him like one of the kids and make sure my computers are either off or locked whenever I leave the house.  No one can know my passwords.  He gets drunk daily and passes out on the couch.  He has repeatedly promised to do the housework, laundry, etc which he never does.  He simply sits on the couch and watches television day in and day out.  So here I am working 2! jobs to make ends meet, doing laundry, cleaning the house, running the kids here and there, and he is asleep on the couch every single day.  I really feel as though I hate him!  He has basically destroyed his body.  He's got a beer belly, his face is puffy with tons of wrinkles and bags under his eyes and he is only 45!  And all his drinking in addition to his mental illness has pickled his brain.  He cannot remember anything.  I will tell him the same thing four differen times and he still doesn't remember.  He cannot carry on an intelligent, coherent conversation.  He is completely useless.

At one point, at the urging of a doctor at the VA Center, he decided to apply for disability because of his mental illness.  He kept telling me I needed to help him fill out the application.  So okay, I get online and find out what paperwork he will need in order to fill out the application.  I gave him a list of what he needed which basically consisted of all of his DD-214 papers which are his discharge papers from all active duty tours, he needed all his medical records documenting when he was diagnosed with mental illness, treatments he had, doctors he seen, etc.  All of which he would have to obtain from the VA.  He said he was going to spend a day at the VA Hospital filling out the right paperwork and retrieving the documents.  He never did even go.  Then when we get into a fight, he says it's my fault he hasn't applied for disability because I wouldn't help him!

So now I have basically told him I cannot do this anymore.  I do not want to be married to him, that I resent him, and I can't stand the sight of him, and I want him to move out.  He has a buddy that he has moved in with before who will gladly take him back, so it's not as though he has no place to go.  He simply will not leave and I am stumped as to what to do.  He doesn't beat me or the kids.  He's not a "danger" so to speak.  I am going to file for divorce next week, but I would like to not have to live with him through the entire process.  So what would you all do?  I've thought about just renting an apartment and moving me and the kids out.  My son is 19 and he has friends he generally stays with off and on anyway.  So it would really just be me and my 11 yo daughter.  There's a 2BR apartment for rent just down the road from my house, but if I leave my house, will I lose my rights to it?  Will he get it in the divorce?  It's not worth much.  It's a 60 year old 2 BR that needs work.  We bought it for $40,000 and paid it off, but we still owe two years worth of property taxes on it.  So really I'm not losing a whole lot, but it's just the principle of it.  He is a complete deadbeat bum, and he gets a paid for house to live in!

Right now I'm just so angry with him.  He basically just got through begging me to give him a chance to be a better husband and he said he was going to clean the kitchen, the bathroom, and finish the laundry to which I laughed and said you've been promising that for years.  He said he was going to prove me wrong.  Guess where he is right now?  Passed out on the couch.  I'm so done.  Any suggestions?

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I don't think you can make him leave... - anonymouse

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Unfortunately, until the judge decides who gets what, I don't think you can make him leave because the house belongs to both of you. I would hurry up and get the process started and get it done so you can get him out. You may have to possibly sell the house and split the money it sells for when you get a divorce, not sure. If you just can't stand to look at him any longer, then I would just go rent an apartment.

I agree - The Analog Kid

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Maybe a new, quiet place to live will work wonders for you, and give you perspective. If the court orders your house sold, know that the first monies paid are to the back property taxes. Better to get out and stop looking at him, your stress levels should drop considerably!

That's what I was thinking. I am exhausted from being angry and resentful on a daily basis. - AngryB

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It just drains a person. I hate myself for the things I say when I'm angry. I'm not that person. I don't want to say those things, even if they are true. It's horrible!

I think I'm calling the apartment complex tomorrow and renting it. You're right, a new quiet home will probably do wonders for me and my kids.

Go talk to a divorce lawyer first - sm -

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Then you will know exactly where you stand. I believe you can get him forced out of the house, but obviously a lawyer can tell you all about that. In theory a divorce will end with you with half of your assets and he with the other half. Where I live it is equitable distribution, so it is not 50/50 but they try to be fair about it too, so a housewife who did not contribute money to the "household" is not screwed in a divorce and come out with nothing. So if you stay in the house you might end up owing him half its value, though you can get half his share too for the back taxes and at least pay some of that off. You can always make his geting his disability part of the divorce agreement so you can maybe get some child support out of him, otherwise I doubt you will see a dime there. Of course you could just have him sign away his parental rights and then you basically never have to deal with him again once your divorce goes thru. In any case get thee to a lawyer pronto, a simple divorce it not that expensive (I looked into this a couple years ago myself), granted you could do it yourself to save $$$$ but since you need to get him out of the house a lawyer is probably necessary. Good luck.

send him to the store and change the locks while he's gone! - exforareason

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sedf

I wouldn't do anything before talking to a lawyer - Good Luck

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You don't want to do anything that might harm your case or lessen your position... anything you can't undo.

Get professional legal advice first.

re; first a lawyer - gemma

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Move out FIRST then get a laywer. It won't "harm" your case if there is a pressing issue or legitimate reason to leave, such as endangerment (alcoholic, mental issues are reasons). You have to think about self preservation and the good of yourself and your children. Get out first, get a lawyer next.

leaving an alcoholic - old hand

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The very first thing you need to do is talk to a lawyer. Laws vary from state to state so any advice that any of us here may give you may not be good advice concerning your legal rights your state.

Also, as an aside, why fight his passive aggressive behavior where the disabilty is concerned, it sounds like there is a hidden agenda and a control issue. Solve the problem by contacting a lawyer on his behalf, and let the lawyer handle it; do nothing further. The lawyer will take his (her) fee when the disability is approved and received.

Oh please... read this - horror stories

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Please! Talk to a lawyer before you move out. If you cannot afford a lawyer, file for divorce and let the judge handle it. If you move out and rent an apartment, you might still have to pay the property taxes on the house and pay the rent, and because he is not working, you may end up paying maintenance payments to him! This depends on your state, and also the judge you get. A friend of mine had to pay his own rent and pay his home mortgage and child support until the divorce was final, and that took a year. There are so many variables in situations like these. I would hate for you to move out and then end up losing your apartment becuase you cannot afford rent and paying him money to survive!

Like I said, if you cannot afford an attorney, file immediately for divorce, get the earliest date possible for a hearing, and then let the judge decide. He may order that you pay all living expences until he files for disability. I know that sucks but that does happen.

Humble Abode - SS

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File for divorce. Let your attorney take good care of you. It's about time someone look after you, too, even if you have to pay fees to do it. Living with someone who has been diagnosed as bipolar and who also has a substance-abuse issue is potentially dangerous. Please don't stick around to find out how dangerous that situation can actually be...to you and your daughter. Because you're the primary/sole breadwinner and he has a mental illness/substance-abuse issue, maybe he can be asked to leave; I don't know, but I'd be willing to pay the money to an attorney to find out. You're entitled to happiness and peace of mind, and I wish for you the strength to pursue what you and your daughter deserve.

strangers on a train - L&L

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i have a neighbor you could check into...

re: can't get him to leave - Paula

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When I got to this point in my marriage and my then husband flat out refused to leave, I did. I moved in to a friend's place, rented a bedroom. I lived uncomfortably for about 6 months, transferred my bills to a PO box, stopped paying the utilities and told him (and a lawyer) that if he was going to continue to live in my home then he would have to pay the mortage and bills. (he also didn't work and got retirement pay and disability, but also didn't have any desire to pay bills...)

After 4 months the bank was calling and I explained the situation. We were able to save my house right at about the 6 month mark. He finally go the message and agreed to the divorce, moved out and left me alone.

I moved back in and found my home wrecked, everything from broken toilet to yanked out wires and dead yards, car oil in the dirt.

Now keeping in mind I am a transcriptionist, you can imagine that I earn a very measely living, BUT repairing MY home back to a beautiful little home was exhilerating! I have broken free and little by little am making this life MINE.

You have to get brave enough to venture into the unknown. Leave if he won't. It was uncomfortable, but I'd do it again in a heartbeat. I have a wonderful life now. I wish you luck. I do know exactly what you are going through and remember that it sometimes seems hopeless and is terrifying, but like your husband, mine was alcoholic, manic depressive and prone to horrible mood swings and would blame ME for everything and anything that was "wrong" in life. I was beat down and sad, depressed, fat, had no self esteem... I am much better off, still fat, but now i am "jolly!". LOL!

First get out, then get a lawyer. If there are bills in your name, turn them off. Take your valuables, put them in storage if need be, with a friend (write up a contract and inventory list) and GET OUT. Go to a shelter if you need to, just get out. If you have kids, go there. GET OUT!! Our monetary belongings ultimately aren't worth our dignity and happiness. Leave it if you can.

Best of luck to you. You are worth so much more than this. Always remember your worth! I'm rooting for you AngryB!

no good husbd, leopards do not change spots - jb

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Hey, think we are married to the same one...

Leopards to not change spots, old dogs do not learn new tricks. Obtain akick out notice/restraining order or have him committed if you have to. This is not the example you want to set for your children at all, and you can file reports on the Internet porn with the police department. Kick him to the curb. Tough love. Maybe after he has lost it all, he will realize what he lost and change his ways, but do not count on it while you are enabling him.

Living the same hell and getting him out.....Good luck!

File a police report on the Internet porn? - Why?

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It's not a crime to view Internet porn. What would be the basis for a police report?
What exactly would she be reporting? That he engages in a legal activity most males (and a large number of females) engage in?

There is a potential for violence. - sweetgirlsmom

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My brother's mother-in-law filed for divorce and kept telling her husband to leave. He stayed and on the day the divorce was final he shot her 3 times and then himself. She lived and he died. She didn't know he owned a gun.

Your husband is quiet now because his needs are met, but that could change once he is losing his family. A normal person can flip out when stressed, but mental illness puts him at much higher risk and alcoholism can put him over the edge.

I would see a lawyer first about laws in your state regarding custody of your daughter, the house, bills, spousal support, and any other issues. People make better decisions when they are fully informed.

Then I would move immediately, without telling him first about the move or the divorce. And I wouldn't tell my kids until we drove away to make sure they don't accidentally say something, or if he questions them because he senses something is going on.

In this country 4000 women a year are killed by husbands or boyfriends, many times during a breakup. Some cities provide a police officer at the home when someone is moving out and there is the potential for violence. If the city doesn't provide it, I would hire an officer or security guard myself. If you can't afford it, borrow the money. Many friends and relatives would be happy to pay for it themselves to keep someone safe.

Staying in the house to make sure I don't lose it would not be an option. I wouldn't put my kids through the turmoil that could result, and my life is worth more than any building.

I did get my house after the divorce. Then I got sick and was only able to work part-time for several years. Losing the house caused a great deal of grief and hardship for many years, but not as much as being shot would have. I still have my life and my children have their mother. It's been 20 years and I still can't afford a house, but I'm very happy otherwise.

You've got some rough times ahead. I wish you the best.



You CAN make him leave - Been There Done That

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See an attorney, file for divorce, tell the attorney you want to keep the house & that your husband has refused to go. You can get a court order for him to leave. If he doesn't do it voluntarily, the sheriff will come. I was a timid little scaredy cat in an abusive relationship but when the sheriff came, he left peacefully. This was 25 years ago. Good luck to you. I hope your husband gets the help he needs.

re: AngryB - Zoey

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I think it's wonderful that you are getting all kinds of solid advise, but I disagree with the majority telling you to get a lawyer THEN see what can be done.

You need to get out. Someone already mentioned that he's getting all his needs met. As far as he's concerned, you won't go so why should he.

Like others here, I have gone through the same and nothing changed until I finally left. I packed up my kids and myself in the car, pawned anything I could for gas money and drove 4 states away to my brother's place. After a couple of days I contacted a family laywer in my home state and got situated. I had no basis to file a protective order, so just filed for divorce and let the chips fall where they did.

He didn't ever try to "take the kids" or make me miserable. he did try to guilt me into going back, said everything from he was going to "disappear off the face of the earth to i'm gonna kill myself". At that point I was DONE so I told him that was HIS choice and I was not going to lose sleep over it.

He finally (months and months later) realized his drinking and being a bum was sickening ot me and told me he was leaving to his home town and I could "have the house". I went back, made arrangements to sell it and then went back to my brother's state and got on with MY life.

It has been a long, long rough road, but I could not see myself smothering anymore and hated to see my kids moping around because their drunk, bum dad was passed out yet again. He became absolutely pathetic in my eyes and I resented him and had it gone on much longer, could have hated him. But I do not. I feel sorry for him. These kids are precious and wonderful and it's his loss. I would tell you, if you were a friend or just someone I met; GET OUT NOW. Worry about the rest when you are safe and sound. Best of luck to you darling. I know it's hard, but you have to take yourself out of your comfort zone and make a change. He's NOT going to. I promise you he won't.

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