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Planned Parenthood....a little truth for you.
Posted: Apr 8, 2011
making a killing....pun very much intended.
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/2007/jun/07060811
http://www.abort73.com/abortion/abortion_for_profit/
http://vitalsignsblog.blogspot.com/2010/10/pass-word-planned-parenthood-kills-lot.html
http://usactionnews.com/2010/06/planned-parenthood-emptying-wombs-wallets-106-million-profit/
There are many, many, more. Aren't they in the same nonproft classification as churches? Yet the IRS regularly threatens churches with their tax exempt status for engaging in politics...which Planned Parenthood does consistently.
No more federal funds should be going to Planned Parenthood. Not one red cent. I think Bill and Melinda Gates, the Ford Foundation, Buffett Foundation, Hollywood and the good liberals on this board can handle it.
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The sources you cited - no1joe
[ In Reply To ..]are completely and totally biased. Check the "about us" section on each site.
Objectiveness does a body good... pass it on.
Can you dispute the figures? If you can\'t, - please don\'t minimize.
[ In Reply To ..]of course pro life people are going to keep the figures...pro-death people certainly are not going to.
I thought you were a fair person...apparently I was wrong. This is the kind of post you usually see from the nonthinkers in the group.
Can you honestly say to me that an abortion provider like PP who does in excess of 300,000 abortions every year keeps their federal monies segregated from their other monies? Can you honestly say that to me? And why do you think that people who do not believe in abortion should be compelled to support an organization who performs them? That is a serious question that begs a serious answer. Especially when federal law prohibits using tax dollars for abortion. You and I both know that federal dollars get spent on abortions at PP. If you don\'t, let\'s do an experiment. Cut federal funding and see if PP can still afford to do 300,000 abortions a year and still provide the other services.
I think we all know how that would turn out.
Pro-life people - no1joe
[ In Reply To ..]are going to distort figures to fit their agenda. If you want to be stuffed, feel free. Not for me, TYVM, and other rational thinkers.
PP must have figures...dispute it with their - figures.
[ In Reply To ..]So what you are saying is you are NOT biased, and PP is NOT biased and would not distort figures to fit their agenda.
Talk about stuffed. And here I thought you were a fair-minded person.
Rational thinkers? Have you looked up what rational means?
You know darned well PP does not segregate their federal monies from their other "donations." And that alone, since they are an abortion provider, should disqualify federal funding. Now if they STOP performing abortions, I have no problem with giving them SOME funding.
Don't you think that is a rather large conflict of interest considering the Hyde ammendment? COME ON, rational thinker, I KNOW you can do it.
Stuffed indeed!! lol.
It would be very easy for them to lose their - Billie
[ In Reply To ..]nonprofit status if they didn't separate them. I worked for a mentoring program for teen moms that rec'd partial county and state funding (which is really just disbursed fed $) for the babies, but we could absolutely not pay the mother anything like birth control, abortions, sex ed but we could assist them in parenting, budgeting, interviewing, and tutoring costs. There was special bookkeeping software for nonprofits that make this easy to do and TONS of paperwork to file.
Poster below made a good point. They are - making record profits.
[ In Reply To ..]They don't need government funding any longer, and that money could be shifted to other programs who need it more. Maybe feeding the children of people who decide to have a child rather than kill it. I would much rather, if someone is going to hijack my tax dollars to fund programs, that it go to feed those children than to kill them.
I stand on what I say, that when Planned Parenthood decided to start performing abortions rather than just be a referral for them, they should lose their federal funding.
And with no oversight, sorry...software is only as good as what is entered into it, and the federal government, to be honest and you know this, has no idea where money goes, how to stop fraud (Medicare prime example).
I have no problem with federal funds going to the other programs PP provides, if that is more important than other programs. However...I think it is disingenious to think for one minute that the "nonprofit" with large profits recorded every year, the largest provider of abortions in the country....that they faithfully never use federal dollars. Figures on the net show they perform in excess of 300,000 abortions a year. Quite a cash cow of them it looks like. Just on the face of it, since there is a federal law against tax dollars going toward abortion, no federal funding should go to the largest provider of that service in the country. They should be able to survive quite well without federal funding, though they might have to cut down the number of abortions to a quarter million and cut into their profits just a tad. Is that really too much to ask? It's not like removing federal funding is going to crater PP.
And as a side note...why is it than PP has the same nonprofit status as a church, but is heavily engaged in political activities, while the IRS threatens churches with pulling their nonprofit status if they talk about politics? Sounds like cronyism to me.
Oh for flippin sake - Truthseeker
[ In Reply To ..]THE OIL COMPANIES ARE MAKING RECORD PROFITS TOO!!!!!! BUT THEY GET $40 BILLION DOLLARS IN SUBSIDIES!! FINE DEFUND PP THEN DEFUND THE OIL!!!
The church doesnt talk about politics?! HAHAHAHAHA Who is fighting against gay marriage? Who is fighting against abortion? THE TOOTH FAIRY!?
Boy, you need to dial it back a notch - before you pop a vessel.
[ In Reply To ..]Oil companies are FOR PROFIT. PP is a NONPROFIT. See the difference?
Okay, go ahead and defund oil and see what happens to this country. That makes absolutely no sense. Can PP heat your house and put gas in your car? Drill for the oil to run the furnaces in the NE?
Churches cannot endorse candidates in an election or the IRS threatens them with removing their nonprofit status. PP not only endorses candidates, it has a PAC and contributes to candidates. If you were indeed a seeker of truth, you would already know this. Point being, if PP can have a PAC, churches should be able to also. A pastor should be able to endorse a candidate from the pulpit because PP endorses candidates. But if a pastor does it and is reported, or does it publically, they get threatened with removal of their tax exempt status. Not so with PP.
And that is wrong. Period. Gay marriage is a social issue; it became a political one when gays sought to change the law. That is another example...gay people have PACs (yes, registered as nonprofits) to fight FOR their law; however, churches are prohbited from having PACs to fight against the law...if they do, they lose their tax exempt status.
Under the law, they should be treated the same, and they are not. Same way with abortion....nonprofit PACs out the kazoo that are pro abortion. Churches cannot do that; they lose their tax exempt status if they do. They can't suggest to their congregations even who to vote for...if they do, their tax-exempt status is in danger. That is not fair.
You are wound up tighter than an 8-day clock, TS. Not good.
No need. All that so called profit is more than enough - to pay for abortion services
[ In Reply To ..]without tax money. I think you kinda sorta answered your own question.
What is patently obviously is that you cannot prove any of these accusations about federal money funding abortions. Nonprofits are allowed carry excess revenues over for the next year and the years after that, and by the looks of things, they are funding their own services. In the business world, this would be considered a resounding success. The laws of supply and demand are at play here and as long as there is a need for that service, their clients will find a way to keep the money flowing.
Not to mention that people do PAY for - Billie
[ In Reply To ..]services at PP and other nonprofits that offer services. And it is not only big-money donors. Many, many middle class running the entire range from low to upper donate money to nonprofits. They are the bread and butter for many nonprofits.
Can you prove that PP separates federal - money from private
[ In Reply To ..]donations? Until you can, you have no more "facts" than I do.
Federal law is in place prohibting the use of taxpayer money to fund abortions. That alone should prohibit a nonprofit who performs abortions from receiving federal funds. If PP wants to go back to just a referral service for abortions, fine. Then federal money would be fine. But when they became an abortion provider, their funds should have been cut.
And, if it is as you say, and they are funding their own services, why do they need the taxpayer dollars?
The federal funding of PP should be stopped.
can you proof they don't? - nh
[ In Reply To ..]I believe the burden of proof is on you since that's what started this. Can you prove they don't? Otherwise, you discussion is completely moot.
Okay...look at it this way. They are a - nonprofit making record
[ In Reply To ..]profit. We have a 13-trillion dollar deficit growing every day. Forget the Hyde ammendment and funding of abortions. If they are recording record profits, it is wasteful spending to keep funneling federal dollars into it. Other programs which provide services are going bankrupt. Does it not make more sense to pull government funding from a nonprofit making record profit and put it into another program that is failing, rather than keep supporting the profiting one AND theone that is failing??
It is THAT kind of thinking that got us into this mess, and it needs to stop.
Surely you can agree??
so I take it - nh
[ In Reply To ..]that you can offer no proof for your claims, just spouting rhetoric.
Again...you demonstrate you are part of the - problem (the deficit and
[ In Reply To ..]wasteful spending) and not part of the solution (cutting wasteful spending). I realize you would rather drink antifreeze that listen to anyone who does not agree with you, but you are doing yourself, and your country, no favor by wanting to pour tax dollars into a nonprofit making a profit (Google it, I know you can do it) when we are running at 13-trillion dollar deficit.
So either you can't do basic math, or you really just don't care about the deficit. Which is it?
and so... - nh
[ In Reply To ..]either you can't understand a basic question or you don't have any actual answer so you just steer off in a new direction. The question: Where is your proof? Not you opinion, your proof?
Nonprofits are allowed to make profits. - Surprise
[ In Reply To ..]Nonprofits can engage in revenue-generating activities that result in annual surpluses or profits. The distinction between nonprofits and for-profit companies is what happens to the surplus. For-profit businesses may distribute their gains to the owners or shareholders. Nonprofits must reinvest surpluses back into the organization and its tax-exempt purpose. Excess revenues may not be distributed to individuals affiliated with the organization.
PP is the source of general medical care in most rural and many urban areas. People over the poverty line (which is very low) who do not qualify for Medicaid use PP, which charges on a sliding scale. That is why PP gets fed subsidies. Many hospitals are nonprofits and charge a lot more for abortions and other services AND get subsidies AND have huge trust funds, endowments, and surpluses, etc. but cannot touch that money for direct patient costs.
Yes, they certainly are, but they should - not expect to continue
[ In Reply To ..]to receive government dollars when our government is NOT enjoying record profits. SURPRISE.
Okay-how about this article? - Backwards Typist
[ In Reply To ..]This is not biased, is it?
The Planned Parenthood Federation of America has announced a national expansion that could double the number of abortion clinics it operates in New Jersey from three to six by 2013 and provide a wider array of health care for the tens of thousands of uninsured or low-income people it serves.
Although national and state Planned Parenthood officials say itâs too soon to predict how the expansion will unfold, the news arrives as a high-profile political debate unfolds over whether government should pay for family-planning services, which can include abortion.
Five of the 58 family-planning clinics in the state have closed since Gov. Chris Christie eliminated $7.5 million in grants when the fiscal year began July 1.
Read more:
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2011/01/planned_parenthood_to_double_t.html
Or how about this article? - Backwards Typist
[ In Reply To ..]I had to stop last night so couldn't answer your reply, but here I am again. ;-)
Economic and Social Conservatives Agree: Cut Planned Parenthood
By Grover Norquist & Marjorie Dannenfelser
When the House of Representatives voted two weeks ago to end federal grants and contracts for Planned Parenthood, it was doing more than merely expressing congressional revulsion against a notorious and scandal-plagued organization. It was deciding that American taxpayers should not be saddled with even more outrageous debt to fund an extraordinarily wealthy nonprofit.
As a consequence, what is now at stake in the funding fight over the nation’s largest abortion business is not just a dispute over social policy. It’s not even just a dispute over an organization that has been a sacred cow for decades. It’s about a whole herd of sacred cows. In fact, it’s about the whole farm: If a new Congress elected on a pledge to halt skyrocketing spending and deficits can’t cut the gold-plated panjandrums at Planned Parenthood, it can’t cut anything.
For economic and social conservatives alike, Rep. Mike Pence’s Planned Parenthood defunding amendment is a defining moment. The facts are so familiar that the emergency they represent can be lost in special interest politics, but they are worth rehearsing one more time. President Obama has added $3 trillion to the federal debt over the past two years. The current fiscal year is nearly halfway gone. When it’s over another $1.6 trillion will be added to the tab our nation is running up for its children and grandchildren.
Sometime in the next few weeks, Congress will vote to raise the debt limit because we have maxed out on the $14 trillion in borrowing that has already been authorized. For the average American family, the federal government has now borrowed more than $100,000 on its behalf, funds it will take generations to pay back. By 2019, according to the Congressional Budget Office, annual interest payments alone on the national debt will equal non-defense discretionary spending, making the “Department of Interest Payments” — DIP for short — the second largest in the whole federal behemoth.
Against a mountain of debt like this, backhoes are needed, not teaspoons. If American workers are to have any chance of cutting this mountain down to size without turning over all their earnings in taxes, dozens of federal programs, and even a department or two, must be on the table. No program can be off limits. It’s not just the money, of course, it’s the scope of government that must be rethought. Right now, no corner of American life, from the kind of light bulbs we can buy to the toilets in our houses, has been left alone by our overreaching national government.
For these reasons and more, Planned Parenthood should be at the head of the cut list. To begin with, as Chuck Donovan at the Heritage Foundation has pointed out, Planned Parenthood is awash in net income. From 2002 to 2007, the national organization and its affiliates took in $388 million more than they spent on programs and services. No doubt the group lost some of that money in the same kinds of investments that disappointed the rest of us, but that has not prevented it from paying its president more than $337,000 in annual salary and tens of thousands more in benefits and allowances.
..and to top that off, they have the same - nonprofit status as
[ In Reply To ..]and I don't see the IRS threatening to pull THEIR nonprofit status for engaging in political activity...ahem.
Ever since I found out that the founder of the Susan G Komen - sm
[ In Reply To ..]foundation, Nancy Brinker, sat on the advisory board of the Dallas PP and that Komen foundation gives money to PP I have stopped giving the Komen foundation any money.
Komen is also on the board or gets major - Billie
[ In Reply To ..]funding from a pharmaceutical company that makes a chemo drug. One could say they have no reason to find a cure or are working to find a cure. PP, however, does provide breast exams and referrals for low-cost or free mammos; Pap smears, etc. and cancer ed. One could say they're doing abortions or saving lives.
AstraZeneca - the maker of tamoxifen and - carcinogens
[ In Reply To ..]AstraZeneca (the manufacturer of tamoxifen), which, until a corporate reorganization in 2000, was a leading producer of pesticides, including acetochlor, classified by the EPA as a âprobable human carcinogen.â This particularly nasty conjuncture of interests led the environmentally oriented Cancer Prevention Coalition (CPC) to condemn Breast Cancer Awareness Month as âa public relations invention by a major polluter which puts women in the position of being unwitting allies of the very people who make them sick.â Although AstraZeneca no longer manufactures pesticides, CPC has continued to criticize the breast-cancer crusade â and the American Cancer Society â for its unquestioning faith in screening mammograms and careful avoidance of environmental issues.
so does the local health department/nm - sm
[ In Reply To ..]nm
That's right. - Billie
[ In Reply To ..].
Fine. Let them do all the abortions they want. - Just stop federal funding.
[ In Reply To ..]Look at their "record" profits lately. They don't even NEED the federal funding. It should be stopped, and that money go to fund something else.
Hard decisions need to be made right now. Cut funding to PP and funnel that money to one of the other programs instead of cutting it.
Unless, Billie, you think that the present spending course this country is on is sustainable. You do realize that at some point it will HAVE to stop, right?
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