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Posted: Oct 1, 2013

"The president isn't telling the whole story when it comes to the government shutdown. The fact is that Washington Democrats have slammed the door on reopening the government by refusing to engage in bipartisan talks. And, as stories across the country highlight the devastating impact of Obamacare on families and small businesses, they continue to reject our calls for fairness for all Americans.

This is part of a larger pattern: the president's scorched-Earth policy of refusing to negotiate in bipartisan way on his health care law, current government funding, or the debt limit.

As of this morning, Senate Democrats, acting in concert with President Obama, have rejected four different proposals from the House of Representatives to keep the government running and fund basic services."

On Friday, September 20, 2013, the House of Representatives passed legislation to keep the government running – funding Medicare, Social Security, veterans benefits, and more – while removing funding for the president's health care law, which is driving up costs and hurting our economy.

The Democratic-controlled Senate rejected this measure.

On Saturday, September 28, 2013, the House passed another measure to keep the government running, delay the president's health care law for one year, and permanently repeal Obamacare's tax on pacemakers and children's hearing aids.

Senate Democrats rejected the measure on a party-line vote.

(The House also passed the Pay Our Military Act, which ensures our troops are paid during a government shutdown. Thankfully, that measure was adopted by the Senate and signed by President Obama.)

On Monday, September 30, 2013, the House passed yet another measure to keep the government running and ensure fairness for all Americans under the president's health care law. President Obama delayed the law's mandates on big businesses and insurance companies; this bill would delay the law for everyone.

The Senate rejected this measure too.

The House then passed another bill late on Monday requesting a formal conference committee with the Senate to come to an agreement on legislation that provides funding for the federal government and delays the president's health care law for all Americans. That is the system the Founding Fathers gave us to resolve differences between the House and Senate.

The Senate then opposed that measure as well, so Senate Democrats and President Obama got their government shutdown.

In the meantime, in just a few weeks, Congress must act to raise the debt limit to pay the tab for President Obama and Washington's out-of-control spending. There is no way Congress can or should pass such a bill without spending cuts and reforms to deal with the debt and deficit and help get our economy moving again. But President Obama refuses to even talk about negotiating such a bipartisan agreement.

For years, the president has said that in a divided government, no one gets 100% of what they want. But when will his words match his actions?

As for House Republicans, we will continue our efforts to keep the government running and deal honestly with the problems we face. We hope that Senate Democrats – and President Obama – change course and start working with us on behalf of the American people.

Rep. John Boehner, R-Ohio, is speaker of the House.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/10/01/boehner-shutdown-obama-compromise-column/2903505/

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What part of Obamacare is non-negotiable - do pubs not understand?

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Of note, there is not a single proposal here that does not involve Obamacare. As long as Boehner, his treasonous minority and their defenders continue with this utter nonsense, the government will stay shut down. Boehner is the most culpable of any. If he allowed a vote this very minute on a clean CR, the measure would pass with large bipartisan support. There are only two simple basic job duties reps need to concern themselves with: (1) Pass the budget. (2) Pay the bills.

End. Of. Story.

Pass what fricken budget? You mean, raise the - debt ceiling even more?

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God forbid if GOP does not agree with that.

Did you know that the budget and the debt ceiling - are not synonymous

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much in the same way Obamacare and the budget are not the same thing? We all know the GOP has a real hard time distinguishing the difference between them but they can grasp it if they try really hard.

PS: Guess what? The debt ceiling is not negotiable either.

I know!!! NOTHING is negotiable when it comes - to the Dems. They went home.

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I know, I know! I say we FIRE THE WHOLE STINKY GOVERNMENT AND start fresh with new blood.

The dems are a patient bunch. - They will happily

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return to business just as soon as the House GOP is done with their tantrums and comes to their senses. Tick-tock, tick-tock.

That's backwards. Republicans are showing they have - patience trying to deal with children

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Democrats will only get back to business if they get their way. Their childish temper tantrums are showing the country just how childish they are. Meanwhile the republicans sit patiently waiting for the crats to come back hoping the crats could possibly put aside their tantrums to work with them and accomplish something good for the people of the country. Unfortunately the crats are too unstable to care about us.

Tick-tock? Well lets just say as I wrote, childish tantrums.

Except that it is negotiable... - ZvilleMT

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He's changed it something like 19 times already - what's one more? I'm guessing it's because the pubs are asking for this one, not some of his corporate cronies.

Selective tweaks here and there aimed at - facilitating implementation,

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or improving the plan are not the same thing as repeal, defunding or even delay. The 42 "symbolic" repeal votes make it absolutely impossible for the republicans to claim there is any other credible objective, regardless of how many layers of deception they try to bury their agenda under.

This has nothing to do with who is asking for what, and this kind of diversionary rhetoric only serves to further reinforce perceptions of organized GOP obstructionism, strategic recalcitrance, and systemic incapacity to honor the constitutional, democratic process of free, fair and clean elections.

It's a read-our-lips moment. There will be NO negotiations on ACA or the debt ceiling during a government shutdown. Until Boehner resolves that circumstance by simply doing his job and allowing a CR vote that we all know will produce (gasp) a bipartisan passage, NOTHING else will happen.

Furthermore, OC faces only one fate for the next 3 years: Implementation. It will not be repealed, defunded, delayed or otherwise screwed in any form or fashion by the minority party. Again, the only hope they have of ever accomplishing that is to figure out how to win majority representation in the White House and Congress.

In fact, even if they maintain House majority and gain the upper hand in the Senate in 2014, it is still not going to happen. The president will veto any such nonsense and the GOP will never be able to override that action. It is an exercise in futility.

By the time the 2016 campaign rolls around, OC will have been in effect for at least two years. Have fun trying to take medical insurance away from tens, if not hundreds of millions of Americans.

Selective tweak? - ZvilleMT

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These are specific amendments via executive fiat granting exemptions to the White House staff, Congress members and their staffs and other federal employees; delaying the Big Business employer mandate; and exempting unions from the "Cadillac" tax until 2018. These all change the law in big ways, mostly because they appear to be political pay-offs to those that got him elected, but also in the amount money that would have been brought in. Heaven forbid congress and businesses and unions should be treated like the rest of us peons!

I'm more than happy to let OC ride - I fully believe it's going to fold in on it's own. I just think everyone should be treated equally - take back all the exemptions and delays. If it's going to be implemented, do it - but do it for everyone in the same way.

"It will not be repealed, defunded, delayed or otherwise screwed in any form or fashion by the minority party." Your sentence here pretty much says it all about what will and will not be "tweaked," as well as by whom.

Those conversations will not be held during shutdown. - Until that happens,

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we are frozen in time. Pass the budget. Pay the bills.

The definition of executive fiat? - Truthhurts

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When used in the political context of executive fiat, it describes a president using power that isn't backed up by law. Therefore on its face, it is as worthless as our currency is becoming.

I don't even think half the Congress knows what I just posted in my other post below. They are what some people have elected???? Me thinks they better learn so they can govern correctly!

Then you and others don't care if the President breaks the law? - Truthhurts

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I direct you to the Constitution:

Article I, Section 7:

All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills..

Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States: If he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such Reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the Bill, it shall be sent, together with the Objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a Law. But in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively. If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law.

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Now, how did Obama change the law? That's what I would like to know...he certainly didn't do it via the Constitution. Any ideas?

Just so you know, it wasn't done by EO, either...and even if it was, it would have been unconstitutional.

Now, in the case of Executive Orders, this is the rule:

Until the 1950’s, there was no boundary or rules set up regarding how far the president can go with an executive order. The Supreme Court, however, put a stop to this in 1952 when they were faced with the case Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. vs Sawyer. In this case, the Supreme Court ruled Harry Truman’s Executive Order 10340 which put all steel mills in the country under federal government control. The Supreme Court called this executive order invalid because it attempted to make law, which was the job of the legislative branch (Senate and House of Representatives). Since then executive orders pertaining to laws were only allowed to be carried out when they are used to clarify or act to further a law put forth by the Congress or the Constitution.

Presidents have been accused a number of times of abusing executive orders. The most common abuse is when the president uses them to make or change laws without the approval of Congress

I direct you to the Constitution:
Article I, Section 7:All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills..
Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States: If he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such Reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the Bill, it shall be sent, together with the Objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a Law. But in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively. If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law.

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Now, how did Obama change the law? That's what I would like to know...he certainly didn't do it via the Constitution. Any ideas?
Just so you know, it wasn't done by EO, either...and even if it was, it would have been unconstitutional.

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In the case of Executive Orders, this is the rule:

Until the 1950’s, there was no boundary or rules set up regarding how far the president can go with an executive order. The Supreme Court, however, put a stop to this in 1952 when they were faced with the case Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. vs Sawyer. In this case, the Supreme Court ruled Harry Truman’s Executive Order 10340 which put all steel mills in the country under federal government control. The Supreme Court called this executive order invalid because it attempted to make law, which was the job of the legislative branch (Senate and House of Representatives).

Since then executive orders pertaining to laws were only allowed to be carried out when they are used to clarify or act to further a law put forth by the Congress or the Constitution.Presidents have been accused a number of times of abusing executive orders. The most common abuse is when the president uses them to make or change laws without the approval of Congress.

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I looked for any EO pertaining to the ACA and FOUND NONE in the 163 EOs Obama made since 2009. Would you like to try and find them? If not, then I will ask you how this president can change laws without approval of Congress?

He has granted over 1200 waivers since the law passed including abandoning the CLASS Act and the recent delay for the employer mandate. None of these waivers or delays were in the original law. So, if Obama can change it, surely Congress can delay it for a year since they are the only ones who are ALLOWED to make or change the law.

If the President is allowed to keep doing government business "my way or the highway" or "I will not negotiate," that is almost the same thing as stating, "I am your dictator. You must follow my rules and laws or else...."

Completely agree. Dems want it their - way or hit the highway. Civil unrest coming.

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Monday, the pubs stayed to try and make this all work. Dems went home and decided to come back later. The biggest problem is the debt ceiling. Sure, let us keep on spending money we do not have.

As far as I am concerned, I see civil unrest coming. The polls show most Americans do not want Obamacare. Dems had the audacity to blame the pubs and the news media go along with it. The pubs have done nothing but give in to what the Dems want. Dems have to HAVE IT ALL THEIR WAY or pubs might as well hit the highway. Well then, I THINK THE PUBS SHOULD JUST PACK UP THEIR OFFICES AND LEAVE THE GOVERNMENT, just walk out. Go on strike if you will. That way the Dems can HAVE IT ALL THEIR WAY, but I bet they still would not be happy.

I strongly believe Obama is in the government along with Federal Reserves doing nothing but manipulating and trying to take power from within the government to DESTROY THE GOVERNMENT. What a better way to do it by being within the government. I will never believe Obama is a US born citizen and I strongly believe he is for the Muslim Brotherhood.

I see civil unrest coming to a city near you. I have never in my life heard all the name calling and Dems saying THEY DID THIS AND THEY DID THAT! I thought it was supposed to be WE THE GOVERNMENT decided on this and that. Both pubs and dems are acting like a bunch of family feuding going on like sibling rivalry. It is disgusting. Never in all my 60 years have I ever heard government name calling and such bad behavior that it is disgusting. The government just has way too much power. If you all like government power, then go to the other countries that have it. This is America, but I guess America is gone and we have to act like England, Russia, China, etc.

Oh, what about Obama WANTING UNITED STATES MILITARY LEADERS WHO WILL FIRE ON UNITED STATES CITIZENS?

http://www.examiner.com/article/renowned-author-obama-wants-military-leaders-who-will-fire-on-u-s-citizens

Maybe that is why DHS and Homeland Security was trying to buy up all the ammo and stockpiling it.

Polls say 79% do NOT want govt shut down to - defund Obamacare.

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How do you explain that? What about the 1 million Americans who called the govt healthcare site? The 2 million who called in NYC on the first enrollment day despite system glitches? All ACA haters?

Obamacare is non-negotiable. GOP: Suck it up, do your job. Pass the budget. Pay the bills.

End of story.

Like I said. GOP needs to walk off the job. You - Dems can have it all!

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Yep, you have just let the United States turn into a communist country.

In my state, NOT ONE PERSON could sign up for Obamacare, not one because of computer glitches.

http://pjmedia.com/blog/new-poll-finds-americans-really-really-do-not-want-obamacare-pjm-exclusive/

See.. GOP Suck it up? Such language. It is WE THE PEOPLE and the government should be WE, not THEY. GOP is doing their job, but according to you.. GOP has to agree 100% DEMS way or hit the highway. Yep, says a lot about the Dems... not willing to compromise.

This article is from 2010, more than 3.5 years ago. - What's your point?

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Why so cryptic? Which state was that?

No, what I said is this is a budget measure, not a stage for an TP insurrection. The solution is so simple, constitutional, democratic and painless. Boehner needs to allow the clean CR vote to proceed. It will pass with bipartisan support and the government can reopen, which is as it should be.

I am so mad just how this government treats - each other and putting blame

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onto others, but not their own. People cannot take accountability for their actions anymore in this world. The best thing is for the DEMS to take control of the whole government which will make them happy. Obama will not compromise. Do it my way or hit the highway.

Do the job. Pass the budget. - Pay the bills.

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We can do this all night if you like. The dems have already compromised on the budget numbers. There's nothing left to talk about.

Like I said, has to be the Dems way or no way. - Pubs keep asking what about this?

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Dems say nope, my way. Pubs ask about what about that? Dems say nope, my way or hit the highway. Yep, Dems are very patient people alright.. no compromise.

Besides, I am not a pub, nor a major liberal. Hahaha.

And dems keep giving them the same answer. - OC is not negotiable.

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Therefore, no compromise is in order. Dems don't negotiate with TP terrorists.

Such name calling. Like I said, get ready for - civil unrest in this country.

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Just like all the other countries.

The states with major glitches! - We are not ready to handle Obamacare

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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/09/30/obamacare-glitch-watch-delay-in-launch-spanish-language-sites/

delays, hiccups on exchange sites
Published October 01, 2013
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On the first day of enrollment for ObamaCare, technical glitches on federal and numerous state-run insurance exchanges are delaying and turning away Americans.

The following is a round-up of the day-long reports of problems.

Oct. 1:

Washington: “Connection Refused”

The state-run exchange in Washington state was not on the national radar for potential problems in recent days, but the site experienced hiccups on Tuesday and was still down by midday.

Visitors were greeted with the words “Connection Refused” on an otherwise blank, white screen.

Oregon: Anticipated glitches materialized

Oregon, which has one of country’s 16 state-based exchanges, warned residents that anything might happen Tuesday on the site and that they would need the assistance of an insurance agent or other third-party to enroll over the next several weeks.

Sure enough, site visitors on Tuesday were told: “Online enrollment is coming soon! Sign up to receive an email notification when it's available.”

However, officials’ worst-case scenario that the site could “crash and burn” and they would have to close it down did not happen.

Maryland: Four-hour delay

Maryland, which also has a state-run exchange, had technical problems, too, causing a roughly four-hour delay.

Like the federal government, Maryland had already delayed enrollment for small businesses. The new projected start date is early January, delaying coverage until March at the earliest, according to The Washington Post.

National: ObamaCare exchange site opens with error messages

Many visitors to the official website for the federally run ObamaCare insurance exchanges were met Tuesday morning with an error message. The site was apparently overloaded with traffic but went live after about 11:30 a.m.

"We have a lot of visitors on our site right now and we're working to make your experience here better. Please wait here until we send you to the login page. Thanks for your patience!" read a website message.

By mid-morning, the healthcare.gov site declared "the system is down at the moment," and directed would-be participants to contact a call center if they need help immediately.

Thirty four states are either using the federal site or have a state-federal partnership.

Sept. 30:

Rhode Island: State site still needs adjustments

Christine Ferguson, director of Rhode Island's site, recently told reporters that people are working around the clock to meet the Oct. 1. deadline. But she also acknowledged, “As this unveils, it is going to be very clear that everything can't be done on a computer.” Ferguson predicted the system would get “a lot more user-friendly” over the next several months.

Washington, D.C., Nevada: Delay in launch of Spanish-language site

The Obama administration tried Thursday to portray its delay of small business’s online access as a positive development, saying officials thought that “taking a little bit of additional time” was in the best interest of the business owners. But the administration also announced the launch of the Spanish-language version of the federal insurance exchange would be delayed until late October.

Meanwhile, administration and state officials point out that the millions of Americans who want coverage through the federally subsidized Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act can still enroll by phone, mail or third party.

In Nevada, the state-based site also will delay the start of its Spanish-language version. Many of the roughly 600,000 Nevada residents without insurance are Hispanic, but the start of the Spanish version of the Silver State Exchange could be delayed until as late as Nov. 15.

Oregon: Third-party needed to enroll

Oregon -- among the 16 state-based marketplaces or “exchanges” – is requiring residents to use an insurance agent or community group to enroll online through at least mid-October.

“I have no idea what this thing’s going to look like Oct. 1,” Rocky King, the exchanges executive director, said last week, according to The New York Times. “We could crash and burn and have to close it down.”

District of Columbia: Software glitch reported

The District, also running its own exchange, revealed last week that a glitch in its exchange software as it tries to calculate insurance-premium costs when factoring in tax credits, or subsidies, for lower-income customers. Officials also said the site still cannot determine who would be eligible for Medicaid, which about half of U.S. states are expanding under ObamaCare.

Colorado: Problems calculating subsidies

The state-based, online exchange -- Connect For Health Colorado -- will be live Tuesday for the roughly 700,000 residents without health insurance, but it also will not be fully operational because of problems calculating the subsidies. Customers can still get the subsidies, but not without calling for assistance for at least the first month.

A spokesman for the exchange said the state has hired 180 people to man a call center to help insurance shoppers.

The administration had already given some businesses – those with more than 50 full-time employees – the option to delay coverage.

In June, the White House announced it was delaying the so-called “employer mandate” that requires such companies to provide health insurance or pay a penalty. The one-year delay, officials said, was to give employers more time to prepare.

Blah, blah, blah. Fox is singing - to the choir again.

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Obamacare is reality from this day forward. It's here to stay. "Hiccups" notwithstanding.

We the people need jobs. Now the companies are - taking away full time jobs.

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Even part time jobs are going to get less hours. In about 12-14 months you should see the outcome of OC and it is not going to be pretty. I bet stock market with crash again around Jan-Feb 2014. At least that is what I am hearing.

OMG. Then here ya go... CNN news of states - with glitches. Feel better?

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Geesh!

http://money.cnn.com/2013/10/01/news/economy/obamacare-exchanges/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Obamacare enrollment stymied by exchange glitches
By Tami Luhby @Luhby October 1, 2013: 5:33 PM ET

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maryland obamacare glitches

Maryland residents couldn't sign up for Obamacare on Tuesday morning. Many exchanges were having technical issues.
NEW YORK (CNNMoney)
Many consumers looking to sign up for Obamacare health coverage weren't making it very far Tuesday morning.

Enrollment in the Obamacare exchanges has begun, with the federal and most state exchange sites unveiling their "Get Started" buttons. But widespread technical glitches plagued the exchanges.

Some New Yorkers, for instance, received an "internal server error" when they tried to sign up. By mid-afternoon, there were 7.5 million visits to the site, a state Health Department spokesman said. Technicians were working to reconfigure the system to address slow wait times or error messages, while the state call center helped people enroll over the phone.

"With a website providing so much data to so many people, we are working through these growing pains and are confident users will have better access to the site shortly," the spokesman said.

The sign-up site was functioning in the late afternoon.

Maryland residents were directed to a consumer information update that said both its website and call center were experiencing "connectivity problems." In the late afternoon, residents were still have trouble getting on the site.

And those going to the federal exchange site, which is handling enrollment for 36 states that didn't fully establish their own exchanges are greeted with this message:

"Health Insurance Marketplace: Please wait. We have a lot of visitors on our site right now and we're working to make your experience here better. Please wait here until we send you to the login page. Thanks for your patience!"

Federal officials said the site is experiencing higher-than-expected volume and problems are being addressed. Since midnight, 2.8 million people visited HealthCare.gov and 81,000 called the federal portal's call center. Some 60,000 requested live chats. Wait times were getting shorter as the day progressed, officials said, with sign up information appearing a few minutes after the initial message.

"We'll be speeding things up in the next few hours to handle all this demand," President Obama said Tuesday afternoon.

Officials, however, declined to say how many people had actually enrolled in plans through healthcare.gov on Tuesday.

In Kentucky, problems plagued the exchange site until mid-afternoon, but more than 1,200 people had purchased policies or enrolled in Medicaid, according to Gwenda Bond, spokeswoman for the Cabinet for Health and Family Services.

Related: Obamacare: How do I sign up?

CNNMoney readers from New York, Pennsylvania, Connecticut and California reported problems signing in or completing the application in the morning. One Twitter user from Pennsylvania said that he was first told he couldn't sign up using an iPad. Then he was told to come back later and then was told he had given duplicate answers to questions.

"TRY AGAIN," he tweeted.

Terry O'Neal, a writer and Ph.D. student in California, resorted to dialing her state's call center Tuesday morning after being unable to sign up online. After she waited on hold for an hour, a representative took down her information and filled out a paper application. O'Neal used the site's Shop and Compare link to decide on a Kaiser Permanente plan.

California's site Tuesday morning said in English and Spanish: "Due to the success of the Covered California Marketplace we are experiencing higher than expected users. To make sure everyone has a great experience while on the site, we need you to come back in a little bit. We're sorry for the inconvenience and we look forward to your return in a few hours." In the afternoon, it was still not allowing people to register.

The state exchange experienced very high traffic when it opened Tuesday morning, said Larry Hicks, a spokesman for Covered California. Enrollees were funneled to the call center, which by 9:30 a.m. Pacific time had already answered 6,560 calls and had another 1,200 people waiting.

"There's a lot of excitement and anxiousness about getting information and enrolling. From our point of view, that's a good thing," said Hicks. "The wait time, not so much, but we're hoping things will smooth out in days ahead."

At the Community Financial Center at the Highland Mall in north Austin, Texas, volunteers could not access the federal exchange portal to help consumers sign up for coverage.

Some states said previously that they wouldn't be ready to accept applications. The District of Columbia, Oregon and Colorado all announced that they would not be able to fully enroll all residents online in the initial weeks of enrollment.

Consumers have six months to enroll in Obamacare, though they need to sign up by Dec. 15 if they want coverage to begin on Jan. 1.

There is only one appropriate response to the - "glitch" talking points memo

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"So what?" It's a rhetorical question that requires no answer, but if you find a declarative statement preferable, that would be "Oh well." Y-a-a-a-w-w-w-n-n-n.

Rhetorical? I guess I learned it - from our president.

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who happens to be full of rhetoric himself.

Most new - things have glitches

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Give it time.

Especially when they are - huge demand!

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Like I heard on the news today, if a restaurant has a bunch of people wanting to make a reservation and they can't accommodate them all, that's not a failure, that's a great success!

Did anyone really think there would be no glitches? - 2.8 million hits in 15 hours

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I fully expected it to be a trainwreck the first week. I went on the site and it ran quickly with no glitches, so I was impressed by that. But really--of course there are going to be glitches.

The only - reason

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people are complaining so much about glitches is because it has to do with Obamacare and/or Obama in general. Some folks on here will complain about anything he says or does.

They had THREE YEARS to get everything up and running - Truthhurts

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so they could handle all the traffic they knew would be coming. Did it happen? Heck no!

Your social networks can handle a lot more traffic than what supposedly tried to get on the healthcare sites on Monday, so what REALLY happened? The government paid a fortune for garbage in, garbage out again.

Will they ever learn? I doubt it...and I'm not complaining about a party, the President, etc. I'm complaining about the wasted bucks because someone in the administration didn't take care to make sure everything worked correctly before allowing public use.

Republicans want to DELAY, not defund. Defund didn't pass. - Truthhurts

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Why can't the media stop lying to the people? Why can't the democratic Senators stop lying to the people?

As recent as yesterday, I heard how many of them state the Republicans want to defund Obamacare. Right now, the Republicans are trying to get the government up and running. Defunding Obamacare isn't even a part of it.

When will everyone wake up and try to work together instead of putting this country in jeopardy by not negotiating. it's very clear the President and the Democrats don't want to enter into negotiations unless they get their way. This is not governing. This is almost a dictatorship.

Republican blackmail - YD

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One thing that is astonishing is that more moderate Republicans (more than the handful who voted against their party's extremist tactics yesterday) aren't finally ready to say "enough is enough" to the fringe elements driving their party into the ground.

What is more astonishing is that people can twist logic into such gnarly shapes as to blame the victims of blackmail for the consequences of not giving in to the blackmailer's demands. ACA is the law. Further, it has been upheld by the highest court of the land. It is a a piece of landmark legislation for this President, who fought long and hard for it and was finally successful only after much compromise. There is absolutely no chance of repealing it or destroying it for at least the remainder of Mr. Obama's term since this would require a 2/3 majority of the Senate to override the President's veto. For those Republicans too hysterical or dimwitted to figure this out, their own Sen. John McCain spelled it out for them. GOP Rep. Peter King of New York is fed up with his party's lunatic fringe. "They live in these narrow echo chambers. They listen to themselves and their tea party friends. That keeps them going, forgetting that the rest of the country thinks we're crazy."

Amen to that.

Democrat derangement syndrome - nm

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I guess I just don't - understand...

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why the senate couldn't budge on getting rid of the waviers given to congress and big businesses. Everyone in this country should be treated the same - no exceptions. If Obamacare turns out to be so wonderful, that's really not punishing anyone, it's helping them, right?

What you don't - understand

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is that this is a budget measure. ANY mention of ACA is inappropriate, irrelevant, and will be ignored. Let me repeat that, in case you didn't hear it the first time. ANY mention of ACA will be ignored. There is only one way out of the shutdown corner the GOP has backed itself into. Pass the budget. Pay the bills.

End of story.

Pay the bills?? WITH WHAT?? In case you did not know, - Trillions in debt?

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Pay bills with what?? Oh, I forget, Obama will make no compromise. He wants the debt ceiling raised more than ever.

With the GOP numbers the dems have already - agreed on.

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The pubs can't take yes for an answer, another one of their pathologies.

So why does Obama want to raise the - debt limit when we HAVE NO MONEY.

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Especially now that Obamacare is in play.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-09-26/americans-reject-by-61-obama-demand-for-clean-debt-vote.html

Americans Reject by 61% Obama Demand for Clean Debt Vote
By Julie Hirschfeld Davis - Sep 25, 2013 9:00 PM PT

Obama Losing Public Support on U.S. Fiscal Fight

Americans by a 2-to-1 ratio disagree with President Barack Obama’s contention that Congress should raise the U.S. debt limit without conditions.

It's a routine Congress has gone through - since the dawn of time.

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Congress has voted decade after decade after decade to spend money. We raise the debt limit routinely to pay bills we are already obligated to honor....like W's wars, waged on credit. The last time the GOP pulled this stunt, they managed to get our credit rating downgraded. Not happening again, regardless of how fast the cons can spin their web of deceit.

Negotiating over the good faith of the US...not an option, dear. The global economy depends on it. Legislative terrorism is not a precedent the TP is going to leave in it wake after we clean house next year. You can take that to the bank.

64% of Americans oppose blocking the debt - ceiling increase to delay Obamacare

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So who are the Republicans working for? The people, or their egos?

They are working to make Obama - look bad no matter what

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They said when he got elected that they would oppose anything he did or wanted to do.

Because it has to be done his way. He will not - be a leader or work with others.

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Remember his first presidental debate last year?? WHAT A JOKE! You saw his true colors. The next debate, he was wearing an earpiece.

Even though... - ZvilleMT

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that implies a "lack of leadership" and is "unpatriotic." His words in quotes, not mine.

Pass the budget and pay the - bills?

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That's funny - if only the senate had followed that line of reasoning in the four years before this one. Speaking of following the law (which they now seem so stuck on), it is "the law of the land" that congress shall pass a budget every year. Seems congress can be fast and loose with the laws when it suits them.

And I heard you the first time, but any mention of the ACA is completely appropriate at this time, as it is now a budget item. Give me one good reason why congress and staff should get an exemption and big businesses should have a delay - that's all I'm saying.

Sure, I am not being punished. My healthcare doubled - my deductible more than quadrupled.

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Talk about fricken sharing the wealth. I am being punished by having to pay way more for my current insurance to help pay the ones who are lazy and sit on their butts while smoking their cigarettes and having a beer watching TV while I work to death.

I hear you!! - ZvilleMT

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I know there will be people that will benefit from this law, but I'm not sure it will outweigh the loss of jobs, pay, and benefits that others will have to go through. Unfortunately now we'll just have to wait and see.

I checked out the exchanges today and found that if I signed up for me and my family, we'd be paying roughly $300 more per month that we do now and we're not eligible for a subsidy (why I'm not sure - we don't make anywhere close to $95K a year!). We'll stick with what we've got, but I've already received a letter from them stating that my policy may not be "approved" as of next year. Sigh.

If you or your husband is eligible for insurance - through employer,

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you don't get the subsidy, I think. I'm not eligible because my employer offers insurance, and I'm definitely keeping it because I don't like to fill out paperwork. LOL

Neither one of us is... - ZvilleMT

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We're both self-employed - he owns a photography business and I'm an IC.

I got the same letter. Our policy may not exist - after this year - nm

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Did - your

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healthcare really double and deductible quadruple? If so, are you going by a comparable plan to what you had? Not calling you a liar, just asking.

By the way, there are millions of people who also work to death and could not get healthcare before.

BCBS Regence. It was $250 deductible. Now - it is $1,500 deductible.

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Husband was paying $600 a month for a family of 3 and now it is $1200 a month. Nothing else has changed, just losing income each month. His pay went down $700 a month and all due to healthcare. None of us have seen a doctor in 2 years. We are very healthy.

Obama lied. He said our rates would go down - around $2,500 a year. Not happening.

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He said we can see our regular doctors. Well, not happening.

Many who get insurance will have a hard time seeing doctors. As of now, there are not many clinics who will even take Medicaid let alone Medicare.

Thank - you

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for answering my question. Was he getting his plan through work? If it was only 600 a month with a 250 deductible, that was excellent and very rare. Sorry to hear it went up that much. I understand you being upset.

I will just say that 1500 deductible is excellent compared to what most people have for family coverage. I have also found that with many things you have done, the deductible does not apply.

It sounds like maybe the plans that are that excellent and rare have gone up. Do you qualify for the subsidy?

I just - wanted

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to post this article I found (found similar article from different sources). When I was looking at the plan you mentioned, it said it was in these states. As I mentioned previously, you had a very rare plan and it seems most are not seeing what you saw. Again, I am sorry about what happened to you, but it does seem most are benefiting from Obamacare. Also, did you look at your previous coverage and see what you get now. This article states that people are getting better coverage than before.

My business partner couldn't get insurance - because she has major depression.

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How sad is that? Now she can get insurance and get on some proper medication. So count that as 1 person for whom Obamacare has already made a HUGE difference. She's extremely grateful that things have changed in that regard.

I feel Republicans own this one. - sm

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How many times have they voted to repeal Obamacare? 40-something? And now they're trying to do it through other means, which has led to this shut-down.

It seems to me, and I'm sure much of the world, that everything has been put on hold while they fight a fight that they can't win. And why? Because they're afraid it won't work? So let it crash and burn. Then they can be heroes and will probably win a bunch of elections for it. Instead, they've taken the path of one of the worst do-nothing congresses in American history, and it has not changed one. single. thing, EXCEPT for the public's opinion of them (and not in a positive way).

I really think that if they tried it, they might like Green Eggs and Ham. But even if they don't like it, hey--at least they TRIED.

So yes, I do believe the Republicans own this one. And they're going to keep owning it until they finally decide to do their jobs the way they were meant to.

Would you like to tell the Senate to do their job too? - Truthhurts

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After all, for every bill the House passed and sent over to the Senate, Reid tabled..30-some jobs bills, economic bills, etc., etc. I can't even count all the bills the House passed and sent over, but Reid killed just about every one of them.

He is totally disgusting. He thinks he is king. There is no negotiating with him. He refuses and even over this budget bill, he has refused to negotiate because his idol won't negotiate. Not a pretty picture for anyone.

I hope Nevadans wake up and boot him out in 2014.

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