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Posted: Apr 28, 2013

Anti-bullying lesson puts parents on edge in Red Hook

Gender identities part of talk for 8th grade

RED HOOK — Some parents are questioning the appropriateness of an anti-bullying presentation on sexual orientations and gender identities given recently to eighth-graders.

 Among their complaints: Bard College students weren’t a suitable choice to speak at Linden Avenue Middle School, and parents should have been notified in advance of Thursday’s health class lesson, according to Journal interviews and dozens of social media posts.

Paul Finch, superintendent of the Red Hook Central School District, told the Journal that the workshop focused on improving culture, relationships, communication and self-perceptions. These are issues schools are obligated to address under New York’s Dignity for All Students Act, he noted. Future workshops of a similar nature “may require more notification to parents,” he said. 

Mandy Coon, a mother of an eighth-grade student, said she thought the district was infringing on her role as the parent. 

“The whole thing just baffles me,” she said. “If they are required to have this course, why are they bringing in other unlicensed, untrained professionals — college kids — to teach this?” 

Bard College spokesman Mark Primoff said the students were volunteers who were invited by the middle school to give a workshop on communication. 

Effective in July, the Dignity for All Students Act represents the state’s effort to create a safe and supportive environment, free from discrimination, intimidation, taunting, harassment and bullying. 

Finch said that Linden Avenue Principal Katie Zahedi and guidance counselors worked with a group of Bard students to develop the workshop, including role-playing on how to say no to unwanted social pressures. 

In addition to learning vocabulary such as “pansexual” and “genderqueer,” the girls were told to request a kiss from a female peer, Coon said. Her 14-year-old daughter told her it was awkward and uncomfortable, she said. 

On a Facebook forum for parents, Zahedi said the exercise was “not to pretend to be gay” but to practice saying “no” to unwarranted advances. 

“In planning the discussion, we made it clear that absolutely no discussion of any sexual acts is appropriate to middle school, and they used the examples of a kiss,” she wrote. “It was a separate activity for boys and girls and ultimately about respect and safety.” 

A public meeting was held Tuesday night at the school to address parents’ concerns.

Definitions:

Pansexuality, or omnisexuality,[1] is sexual attraction, sexual desire, romantic love, or emotional attraction toward persons of all gender identities and biological sexes.[2][3] Self-identified pansexuals may consider pansexuality a sexual orientation,[3] and refer to themselves as gender-blind, asserting that gender and sex are insignificant or irrelevant in determining whether they will be sexually attracted to others.[4] The Oxford English Dictionary defines pansexuality as, "not limited or inhibited in sexual choice with regard to gender or activity".[5]
The concept of pansexuality deliberately rejects the gender binary, the "notion of two genders and indeed of specific sexual orientations",[3] as pansexual people are open to relationships with people who do not identify as strictly men or women.[3][6]

Genderqueer (GQ; alternatively non-binary) is a catch-all category for gender identities other than man and woman, thus outside of the gender binary and cisnormativity.[1] People who identify as genderqueer may think of themselves as one or more of the following:
having an overlap of, or blurred lines between, gender identity and sexual and romantic orientation.[2][3]
both man and woman (bigender, trigender, pangender);
neither man nor woman (nongendered, genderless, agender);
moving between genders (genderfluid);[4]
third gender or other-gendered; includes those who do not place a name to their gender;[5]
Some genderqueer people[6][7] also desire physical modification or hormones to suit their preferred expression.


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The point was to practice saying no. - Sugar Queen

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While I get that it's embarrassing for students to be told to request a kiss from one another (regardless of gender), the whole point was to teach them how to say no.

I do think it's important to teach kids to say no when they feel uncomfortable with a situation. Peer pressure is at the root of many problems for school-aged kids, and they should be taught to have confidence when putting their foot down when they feel pressure to do something they don't feel comfortable with.

To have one student approach another and say "let's kiss" and have the other student say "no," is of course going to be embarrassing for the kids. I'm sure it would have made me feel pretty awkward, too. I don't, however, think it quite reaches scandalous territory. If the students were encouraged to actually kiss one another, I'd feel differently about it. But that doesn't seem to be the case.

Then let a girl kiss a boy and vice versa. I think it's wrong. - Abby

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nm

They are not kissing. - nm

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Well, like some of the parents stated, requesting - Truthhurts

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a kiss from the same sex should NOT have been part of the agenda. There's no need to do that. I also don't believe this has anything to do with anti-bullying. I would certainly be pulling my daughter out of that school if she was told to kiss another girl.

Call me old-fashioned but what I want to know is - when did the schools decide to take more responsibility away from the parents? When did these schools decide they know more than a parent? Parents should have the right to raise their kids, to teach them right from wrong, and to point them down the right path.

Schools are for teaching reading, writing, math, geography history, science, English and languages if necessary. There are a lot of schools that are letting the students down in all of the above but take the students through sex education and this behavior, along with other out of the ordinary policies that have no place in a school.

Parents are giving up those rights by not protesting against 'studies' such as this. Sorry, but again, this is not anti-bullying instruction.

I have to agree, Truthhurts - At the least

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parents should have been sent home a note earlier to explain the workshop. Why is it up to the school to teach words like "pansexual" or "genderqueer." Overstepping their bounds, IMO. PC run amuck!

I agree 100%. - nm

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AGREE with you all the way - Forcing statist any way they can

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I recently heard an avowed "statist" say they push their agenda any way they can - to remove the parental influence and exert their own. This idiot actually said that children "do not belong to the parents", but rather the govt. and they will do whatever it takes, under whatever title to achieve their ultimate goal. This is just one small example using "bullying" as the method. No worse bullying than forcing a CHILD to act under the bullying of an ADULT without the parents permission or presence...No way they are looking out for the child.
Call me ignorant, but what is a "statist?" - Sugar Queen
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Apparently they have quite an agenda on the menu.

Did I read wrong? - Sugar Queen

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The students weren't asked to actually kiss one another, they were asked to ask for a kiss so the other student could say no. Or did I miss something?

Regarding sex education--I was taught sex education in 5th grade and again as a freshman, and if I hadn't been I wouldn't have learned it. My parents were never going to have that conversation with me, so I'm glad *somebody* did.

I would have freaked. out. when I started my period without that class!

cooler heads prevail amid concerns... - sm

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there's often more to a story than meets the eye.

Problem in that article is that the Board President - Truthhurts

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blamed Fox News. I didn't read or hear it on any news, or on Fox. I went on line for "breaking news" as I do most every day and the article I posted came from the POUGHKEEPSIE (sp?)JOURNAL, a newspaper from upstate NY. So this Board President has some bias against Fox and therefore, blamed them automatically.

She stated, “Some of our administrators and myself have been receiving a number of angry and ... threatening emails from people all over the country who read a Fox News article that made absurd allegations...”

It was a Todd Starnes piece - Sugar Queen

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that the superintendent was addressing.

The letter was addressed to him: http://www.redhookcentralschools.org/cms/lib04/NY01000233/Centricity/Domain/1/Email%20Communication%20to%20Fox%20News%20Reporter.pdf

The Todd Starnes article is linked below.

TH, SHE heard it on Fox - no one said YOU did - link

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I don't understand your issue with this. It's not that hard to think this through. People reported to her that they read it on Fox - you read it somewhere else. So what? I am sure you are familiar with the phenomenon of news stories showing up in more than one place.

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