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Federal Appeals court rules Obamacare subsidies ILLEGAL

Posted: Jul 22, 2014

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In states that did not set up Exchanges - sm

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"If the ruling ultimately stands, it could mean that residents of 27 states -- most of which have Republican governors who oppose the law -- would not have access to subsidies to help them purchase coverage through the exchange, which could make coverage unaffordable for millions." from Washington Post

Once again, Republicans kicking, screaming and dragging their feet in cooperation will potentially cost Americans millions.

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"The termination of those subsidies and the taxes they trigger takes on an entirely different flavor when we introduce that small detail. If the courts rule for the plaintiffs, I’ll be interested see how many news agencies use headlines like, “Ruling Denies Subsidies to Millions,” versus the more accurate, “Court Rules Obama Gave Illegal Subsidies to Millions.” Forbes

In my opinion, the Republicans do not want to provide healthcare to the masses and thus this is where we are.

This is likely to go back before full Appeals court or possibly to Supreme Court

Your spin on this incorrect. The states could set - up their own exchanges,

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they realized they it would bankrupt them, so the fed went in and set up their own exchange, healthcare.gov in those states which was illegal.

The point was to force the states into this so the fed wouldn't have to pay for it. Obama has changed it 71 times which is illegal in of itself.

Substitute the word republican with taxpayer - because that's whose paying, nm

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2014 election should prove to be interesting - nm

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Meh. Not for me. I'm sitting that one out. - And possibly 2016, too.

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The full appeals court has 11 judges, 7 of them Democrats (sm) - LM

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The law CLEARLY states that it only applies to the states who have exchanges. Therefore, if the court FOLLOWS THE LAW, they will have to strike down the Federal subsidies. The Feds will argue that it was an oversight, but c'mon on. Let's hope these judges can follow the law.

I second that. nm - NM

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And the SCOTUS has made it perfectly clear - sm

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how much they detest regular folks and how much they LOVE the corporate rich!

No doubt that SCOTUS will screw us over.

We live in hope! This was all predicted anyway, but - it doesn't matter if he

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"funds it" anyway UNLESS the House exercises its constitutional obligations and shuts down the gubment until O signs off on a real budget.
To me, this shows how prescient and necessary the government shutdown was over a year ago and why this fight will still have to be fought and won.

Rush opened his show with this today. He - predicted this would happen

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based on the wording. He talked about this back in 2012.

Following up with Rush from yesterday... - He is once again correct today.

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This is exactly why the left hates him. He calls them out. He exposes their dirty tactics and they get upset. Go Rush!!! No wonder he's been a radio host phenom for 30+ years!!!

I was listening to Rush last hour. He says the DC - court has 11 judges and

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everyone expects the seven appointed by Obama (or Democrat president?) to rule along party lines and approve the IRS payments.

I suspect he is right and it is a very sad commentary on the state of justice in America. It has frightening implications for the rule of law and our society. As people catch on to what is happening, that is, that we have the "rule of party" as Rush says rather than the "rule of law" we can expect cynicism and its handmaiden corruption to spread even faster throughout the land.

Widespread corruption means economic and social disintegration. One more legacy which has Obama smiling as his transformation proceeds apace.

Viva El Rushbo! Now Rush and the Cato - Institute analyst guy

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will predict the opinions as they go through en banc appeals court review and then USSC. Looks like another 2 years, or just before the 2016 elections before we have this part “settled.”

We'll see if the rule of law trumps the rule of - party. I need some good news

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for a change.

Glad somebody finally has gotten around to - reading the bill. SM

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Will they now consider re-opening the provisions of the “Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act of 2010” for amendments or revisions?

Probably not, but the surest way to force a bad law to be repealed is to fully enforce all its provisions. And this provision is in there, big and bold as anything.

Will be appealed - sm

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This was just a 3 judge panel. It will go to en banc which is the full court.

It might be since the dems have a 7-3 advantage, - once again party over rule of

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law.

Results - sm

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One source said 7 million would forego insurance rather than pay the full premium (either can't or choose not to).

Imagine how that is going to pull down the hospitals and any state facilities, i.e. University Hospitals run by state Us.

I see blaming the republicans for rising premiums - has begun. I think you

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are having a little trouble with the concept of how a subsidy works. Premiums already have “absolutely exploded” because of Obamacare. The subsidy is the taxpayers paying for part of that explosion.

This is O's fault. Guess you should read a bill before you sign it.

Insurance companies are raising rates - Republicans support them

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or vice versa--
insurance companies have purchased their Republican politicians.

Insurance companies (some) are getting bailed out - by Obamacare, it's

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built into the law. Another reason to read the bill first. Unless that's one of the 71 changes Obama has made to it.

It should drop insurance costs because - responsible people will

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no longer have to support those who use emergency rooms as their primary care provider and never pay the bills.

My Friends that work in hospitals - sm

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Say that indigent care is a major cost issue. I do not see how more indigent care makes insurance costs go down? It may close hospitals.

The ILLEGALS get FREE medical care. - sm

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I can't tell you how many C sections I've typed on illegal alien women who deliver their anchor babies on the US side of the border. That's just one facet. I've typed for years about dialysis patients, surgical patients, orthopedic patients (orthopedic injuries sustained from falling off the border fence or from MVAs while fleeing the border patrol), etc., etc., all at US taxpayer expense. It tapered off for a little while, but it has ramped up again and it will certainly continue to increase with the new flood of ILLEGAL ALIENS, who need to return to their home country.

I have a similar account, although maybe not - to that extent. I have

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the dialysis patients, surgical patients and ortho and ALWAYS the anchor babies.

Such lack of empathy makes me embarrassed - that we share the same country.

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Stay embarrassed and uninformed then. - sm

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This is no accident that these things happen. They are very calculated and well thought out. This was the plan. Come to the US, have a baby, get free medical care, collect food stamps, live in HUD housing, get an obamaphone, work as a nanny or cleaning lady for $20/hr, pay no taxes, buy new car, etc., etc. If you lived in a border city like I do, you would see it like I do. It gets old when you see American veterans who are homeless and hungry, mentally ill Americans who cannot get help, single mothers in shelters with no hope or help. Come on. Let's help Americans first.

The sympathy card is all used up. I'll save - mine for my family. NM

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NM

One can have empathy and still - realize

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that those who work and pay taxes cannot possibly continue to pay for everything for everyone that does not, no matter what their situation or circumstances are.

I do not get the logic of this - are you saying - this is what happened before

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Obamacare? Cuz we all know it didn't.

In fact, it seems like the opposite will be true now, because all those low income people who got the subsidies for Ocare will now not be able to afford anything but the ER again.

4th Circuit Federal Appeals upholds ACA Subsidies - sm

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If read in isolation, one line of the Affordable Care Act suggests that only “an Exchange established by the State” can offer subsidies to help people pay for health insurance in the exchange. The DC Circuit’s opinion relied on that line to conclude that federally-run exchange subsidies must be defunded.

Yet, as the Supreme Court has made clear — and as the Fourth Circuit reiterates in its opinion — a federal law should not be interpreted by reading a single line out of context. Rather, “a reviewing court should not confine itself to examining a particular statutory provision in isolation” as the “meaning—or ambiguity—of certain words or phrases may only become evident when placed in context.”

I hear the atheists are knitting bricks, - #KnitABrick in protest

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of Hobby Lobby, but good news. Hobby Lobby has a beautiful selection of yarns for this project!

And I thought ##BringBackOurGirls was lame.

Hobby Lobby is a despicable company. - nm

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Hobby Lobby is a great company. They still pay for - birth control

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Just not the drugs that murder those who cannot help themselves. They still provide women with birth control pills. They just have a little bit of an issue with murder. I don't see anything despicable about that.

It's your mission in life to be sure unwanted - zygotes are born, but then - sm

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once they're here, you likely will scream bloody murder if any of your tax dollars go towards helping that mother and child.

Yep, we've all heard that song and dance before.

What's a zygote? You don't know me - No matter what, murder is wrong

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You don't know me and I have no mission in life except to survive this nightmare.

Here, since you don't know me I'll tell you a little bit.

1. Murder is wrong no matter what.
2. I'll gladly pay extra in taxes to help a mother in need.

Don't know what song and dance you've been listening to. Maybe you should change your station.

It's so much better being a human and caring for all life than it is to scream and shout cos someone isn't getting drugs to murder an innocent.

Look it up in your Dorland's. - nm

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Two words, personal responsibility. Your post - is an indicator of lack of

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it.

Sounds like besides having no respect for life, - you want your cake and

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you want somebody else to pay for it.

This is what happens when the family unit is destroyed and the gvt becomes the daddy.

What a society, that hates a company because - they will pay for 16 different

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forms of birth control, but not 4 others that cost about $7 a month.

We have different value systems now. A large - majority don't believe in

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a strong family unit as the foundation of holding a society together. Look at all the garbage on TV reality shows. Once you realize that, then you can begin to understand the hatred of Hobby Lobby. They stand for that old value system.

No, they stand for legislating that - mistaken morality

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On the rest of us.

You can believe in your nuclear family, your going to church on Sunday, your anti-abortion, anti-contraception, etc., as though we were back in the 50s when families could actually survive on one income and many moms could afford to stay home and be with the kids (not just Ann Romney types) to your heart's content. Fine.

However, trying to legislate those rules on the rest of us when the world has changed vastly is what is wrong with Hobby Lobby. Religious freedom or religious oppression? Personally, I believe it is oppression, which has been okayed by the Supreme Court, also ignoring scientific fact in the bargain.

Nobody is stopping any of these religious, reactionary, companies or people who want to believe we live in the 1950s from following their lifestyle choices and living how they want, so how come they want to dictate how everyone else lives?

They don't want to dictate, they just don't want to - PAY FOR IT!!!!!!!!!!nm

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Stop shouting. - xm

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You are free to engage in any behavior, but - you should deal with the

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consequences, including financial.

Okay then - if corporations are people

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And THEY are free to engage in any behavior, let's just say ruining the water supply in West Virginia, or causing earthquakes in Oklahoma, or that town that pretty much blew up in Texas, or the BP oil spill, why aren't THEY made to deal with the consequences?

Nope, once a corporation becomes a criminal, that's when they start talking about all the jobs they create, and when they should be paying huge fines and should not be allowed to even operate until they make it safe for their workers, they get the okay and are back to their nasty practices again.

Conservatives love to talk about personal responsibility and they truly believe corporations are people, but they never ever hold THEM accountable for anything.

As should you. - Goes both ways.

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That's the point - we do

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They don't.

Hobby lobby do not pay - for anything

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The insurance companies do. They are just trying to impose their values on everyone else, end of story. It is not even to do with $, just meanness and the opposite of tolerance, not to mention if they really believe abortion is bad, statistics prove that when all birth control methods are free and available easily, those are the places where there is NO OR VERY Low abortion, so how about cutting off your nose to spite your face?

If that is truly your goal, I mean, rather than just trying to lord it over what they perceive as promiscuous single mothers, I presume.

I live in a small town where not even a crack in - the sidewalk has changed since 1940 -sm

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Yet the majority of the people here have evolved past that 1950's mindset. If this little town can have that kind of success with human evolution, there's no reason why other communities can't evolve, as well. Except, of course, those who don't think evolution is real.

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