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FYI: Lawsuit regarding citizenship


Posted: Dec 15, 2009

An Internet video began circulating based on an interview with Berg.  It was titled October Surprise and outlined Bergs contentions about Obama’s birth.

Berg alleges: 

  • That Obama was not born in Hawaii, as he claims, but was actually born in Kenya, his father’s homeland.
  • That Obama’s mother was in Kenya in the late stages of her pregnancy and airlines at the time would not let her fly back to Hawaii at such an advanced time of pregnancy.
  • That Obama’s grandmother on his father’s side, a half brother, and a half sister all say Obama was born in Kenya.  In October, 2008, Berg announced that he had a recording of the grandmother talking about the birth and that she was in the birth room when it took place.
  • That Obama was born on August 4, 1961 but his birth was not registered in Hawaii until August 8, 1961 and that the registration and a Honolulu newspaper announcement of the birth were fabricated.
  • That there is not agreement in Obama’s family about what hospital in which he was allegedly born in Hawaii.
  • That according to Wayne Madison, a journalist with Online Journal, a GOP research team sent to Mombosa, Kenya, found a certificate registering the birth of Barack Obama, Jr. at a maternity hospital indicating his birth to a Kenyan father and a U.S. mother.
  • That if he was born in Kenya, he cannot be a U.S. citizen because the law stated that his mother would have had to have lived 10-years in the United States, 5 of which were after the age of 14.  Since she was 18 at the time of Obama’s birth, she did not meet the residency requirements for passing U.S. citizenship to Obama.
  • That when Obama’s mother married an Indonesian man and took Obama to Indonesia when he was 6-years old, he would have lost his U.S. citizenship and become Indonesian.  Indonesia at the time did not recognize dual citizenship.
  •  That when Obama was registered to attend school in Indonesia, the registration form listed him as “Barry Soetoro” (his stepfather’s last name), listed him as Indonesian, and listed is faith as Islam.
  • That according to the law at the time, Obama’s mother would have lost her U.S. citizenship by marrying an Indonesian and living in Indonesia.  Four years later she returned to Hawaii and divorced her Indonesian husband.  Berg said that she could have regained her U.S. citizenship by taking an oath of allegiance to the United States but that there is no record that she did.  Therefore, Obama would not have been able to regain his own citizenship until the age of 18 and himself take an oath of allegiance to the U.S.  Berg said there is no record of that ever happening.  Berg concludes that not only may Obama not be eligible to be president, but that he may be an illegal alien.
  • That Obama traveled to Pakistan at the age of 20 and traveled using an Indonesian passport.  Had he regained his U.S. citizenship, according to Berg, he would have traveled using a U.S. passport.
  • In response to questions about his birth, Obama posted a birth certificate on his campaign website, but Berg contends that it is a forgery and that forensic experts have determined that it is a altered version of the birth certificate of Obama’s half sister, Maya Kasandra Soetoro, who was born in Indonesia but whose birth record was also forged to make it appear that she was born in Hawaii.
  • That when Obama registered for the Illinois Bar he lied and said “none” when asked about any former names.
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More info. - wileo

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Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation has released the results of their investigation of Obama's campaign spending. This study estimates that Obama has spent upwards of $950,000 in campaign funds in the past year with eleven law firms in 12 states for legal resources to block disclosure of any of his personal records. Mr. Kreep indicated that the investigation is still ongoing but that the final report will be provided to the U.S. attorney general, Eric Holder. Mr. Holder has refused to comment onthe matter.

your list contains too many "at that time." ..sm - O

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These have all to be proved.
I do not believe that Obama ever became an Indonesian citizen.
This statement on the list, I quote, is incorrect:

"That when Obama’s mother married an Indonesian man and took Obama to Indonesia when he was 6-years old, he would have lost his U.S. citizenship and become Indonesian. Indonesia at the time did not recognize dual citizenship."

Since when does a US citizen who lives in a foreign country lose his US citizenship?
Now not and also then not.
Also today Indonesia does not allow dual citizenships.
His mother did not lose her US citizenship when marrying an Indonesian man. Where is the proof?

None of that matters - Sheeples

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The fact is, Obama was born with dual citizenship. He admits it on his website. Rights and eligibility requirements are not the same thing. One can have US citizenship rights but not be eligible to be President.

He was born an American citizen and is therefore eligible to be - president. nm

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You are wrong. - Sheeples
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Is a 30 y/o man eligible for Presidency?
Excuse me, is Obama 30? He meets all the requirements period. - nm
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No, he doesn't. - Sheeples
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One cannot be a presidential candidate if s/he hold dual citizenship. This is upheld in the case of Wong Kim Ark. Problem is, no one (yet) has challenged it. Another problem is that the DNC vetted Obama based on an online document. Again, no one has had the cajones to challenge that either. But, it is in the works.
Obama never held dual citizenship. He has held American....sm - oldtimer
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citizenship from his birth until now. If, at 21, he had decided to renounce his American citizenship in favor of his father's Kenyan citizenship, it would be a different matter, he didn't, and this is all a moot point.
Obama didn't have a choice. He was born - Sheeples
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with dual citizenship. He fully admits it. His father was never a citizen of the U.S., or even a naturalized citizen of the U.S for that matter.
If 1 parent is American, the child is an American citizen...sm - duh?
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Barack Obama could NEVER have these 2 citizenships at the same time, dual.

Why do you continue to post wrong things?

Don't you understand that Indonesia and Kenya do NOT ALLOW dual citizenships and if 1 parent is an US citizen, the child is American?
Let me repeat, Kenya was a British colony at the - Sheeples
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time of his birth. Birthrights are established at "birth," not later. Rights and requirements are 2 different things.
Barack never had dual citizenship, because Indonesia and Kenya,.sm - huh?
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till now, do not allow dual citizenships. America does allow dual citizenships.

Don't you read what other posters post or do you just ignore it?

If, I say "if" Obama mentioned something about "dual citizenships," he meant that his parents had 2 different citizenships, American (mother) and Kenya (father).

President Obama is a born American citizen.

I wonder why they're not moaning and groaning about LIEberman's - dual citizenship. NM
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Because he is not the POTUS - Sheeples
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Actually, there are many questions, but Obama paid - tons of money to keep it all quiet.nm
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What "ALL?" Rumors, only rumors!...nm - what?
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not a rumor.. this info is easy to find if you bother.nm - Dallas
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Okay Beck-a-be, get your blackboard and your Vick's - and show us. - nm
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Yes, show us! Prove it! O's birth certificate is authentic, not a forgery..sm - duh?
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Do you want a copy of it? I can send you one.
You dont even get it. OBAMA HAS NEVER EVEN - SHOWN HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE.nm
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It is posted on the internet and it is authentic...sm - vault
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Unless you refer to this "rumor" or "invention" of the "vault" ???? birth certificate, WHATEVER this might mean or be.
nope. not true..original never shown as of yet.nm - TX
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This was proven to be a forged (i.e. poorly photoshopped) - copy
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I'm getting tired of the people who support him and his phony b.c. issue acting as though what you say is the truth. If it was the truth judges and lawyers would not be trying to get to the truth.


The truth is he has never shown his b.c. (the same one that every other candidate had to). You know I get it. There are very powerful people out there with money (lots of money), and they are the ones who put him in the position. They paid lots of money and have lots of power to hide his true birth certificate along with all his other records (school, etc), which one can only assume is because since he came from a family of little wealth he received a loands/financial aid as foreign born citizen. I get it, I understand it and while I may not agree with it, I know it happens. Just shows you what money can buy.

Obama's crew did such a lousy photoshop job on the b.c. thing that it's so blatantly obvious its forged but that's the way it is.

But I'm sick and tired of people coming on here saying he's this period! or he's that period! or he did this - period! As though you know for fact this information.

Here's some news as you have not been keeping up on it. The forged thing on the internet is not the vault copy and whatever it is it is a poorly photoshopped copy.

Sure it authentic. An authentic photoshop job.
I am equally sick and tired of people who insist...sm - aid
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that this is not O's authentic b.c. Who said so and who proved it?

What and where is this "vault" b.c. if it exists. All made-up stories.

If O got financial aid to finish his studies, does this make his degrees less worth or does this render him "unqualified?" What do you mean by this? Strange, strange....and it makes me sick and tired.
I think it is pretty sad that the President of the US - Sheeples
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was vetted by the DNC based on an online copy of his BC. Just try going down to the Social Security office and refer them to an online copy of your BC to get a SS replacement card. They would laugh you out of their office.

That said, I think he was born in Hawaii. That is not and never has been the crux of the issue.
there is so much faulty "information" out there, e.g....sm - ?
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"Obama not being a born American citizen."

Soon O will start his 2nd year as president and these birthers are still "digging" for negative, false information?

What's the point?

You are wrong: His father was from Kenya. Kenya does not allow - O

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dual citizenship.
O's mother is American and O was BORN in Hawaii, this makes him an American citizen.

No, a 30-year-old American citizen cannot get elected president. He has to wait until his 35th birthday.
At the time of Obama's birth, Kenya was - Sheeples
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a British colony. At that time, yes, they did allow dual citizenship.
Who says so? YOU? Where is the proof?..sm - O
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So what?

"if", I say "if", what I do not believe, this was the case, that at THAT time Kenya allowed dual citizenships, the parents could STILL decide WHICH citizenship the child should have. It is not a MUST that the child has both citizenships.
And the parents decided that Barack should be an American citizen.

Prove otherwise. Prove that Kenya "at the time of Obama's birth allowed dual citizenships." if you can!

Barack was born in Hawaii, the 50th state of the US, to an American mother and his father was Kenyan. Who cares?
The Constitution cares. That's all that is relevent. - Sheeples
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it amazes me - elf

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how "folks" who actually believe this garbage and have such a tenuous-to- nonexistent grasp of reality function day to day . . . get over it. . . let it be . . . as you fuss and fume over the delusion of an illegitimate president, the earth is dying.

Obama can settle this all - Vikefan

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All he has to do is show his legitimate birth certificate, not that limited piece of crap he's produced before.

I'm curious, though - who would take over? Biden? Believe me - I am NO Obama fan but I don't want that moron Biden taking over. Next in line is Pelosi and personally, I think the woman is a psychopath.

Are you kidding me? - if not, you should be

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I didn't read all the posts, but it looks as though some are still carrying on about Obama not being an American citizen. Don't you think the government has rules as to who can be president and checks the individuals out thoroughly? Come on! I'm guessing Obama doesn't hear a lot of the ridiculous things said by Americans, and he is excellent at ignoring and excusing the rest.

For the life of me, I haven't been able to figure out how he can keep from screaming out at those deserving of it ... beginning back during the campaign. I can hardly stand it myself!!! Maybe if he throws a humgongous flag pin on and throws the term "Christian" around enough people would be happy. Again ... are you kidding me?!

How do you know that it is a limited piece of crap? Have you seen it? Let me see it, too!...nm - ??

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I agree. Do these "birthers" think that they can ...sm - O

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"topple" Obama? Chuckle, chuckle....
Obama hides lots of info, school records, medical - records. Why is that, huh?nm
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These "birthers" don't have to worry about - MTfromLA
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toppling the "O". If you will just pay attention to the numbers, he is doing a fine job of doing this to himself. With the lowest job approval rating of any president at this point of his presidency in history, I don't think this has anything to do with the "birthers."

LMAO @ all replies...as if ANYONE HERE knows for sure! - medpro

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Seriously, unless any of you are Obama's mother or father, how can you all type your responses as if you know the truth??? Its comical really, NO ONE WILL KNOW FOR SURE. I find it interesting that one of Obamas first actions while President was to pass Executive Order closing birth information from public view. Up to his presidency, that information WAS open to public but not anymore. Looks to me like he is hiding something, but since I'm not his momma or pappa, even I don't know for sure.

O's birth certificate is no secret and it is not obscure, it is posted..sm - da Vinci

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on the internet for everybody to see.

In an attempt to invalidate O's B.C. the "birthers" invented this story about the "vault??? B.C. hidden in an underground tunnel, somewhere, not seen by anybody yet, etc... sounds like a spin off of "The da Vinci Code" by Dan Brown, LOL.

LMAO too - especially your reply - anon

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You are one of the ones proclaiming you know this for a fact.

Here's a fact - the one on the internet is a forged botched photo shop job. Very poorly done at that. I could do better and I wish he would have paid me to make one up. I'm actually pretty good with photo shop. What he put up there is just amateur bad.

Second fact - you don't know.
neither do you.......nm - O
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