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Chris Hedges Sues Obama Admin. Over Indefinite Detention of Americans


Posted: Jan 17, 2012

My liberal hero has done it again!  (Hedges is one of the handful of libs who actually THINK rather than just FEEL.)  This man is intelligent, erudite, a deep thinker, and MORAL -- one of the few remaining classical liberals.  Years ago, libs used to say, "I don't agree with you, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."  Nowadays libs are FASCISTS, stating, "Agree with me or else!"

Pulitzer-Prize-winning author Chris Hedges has filed suit against the Obama administration over the NDAA, which allows *indefinite detention of U.S. citizens.*  Linked story is from Democratic Underground, NOT Fox News.

Journalist Chris Hedges Sues Obama Admin over Indefinite Detention of U.S. Citizens Approved in NDAA

Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Chris Hedges has filed suit against President Obama and Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta to challenge the legality of the National Defense Authorization Act, which includes controversial provisions authorizing the military to jail anyone it considers a terrorism suspect anywhere in the world, without charge or trial. Sections of the bill are written so broadly that critics say they could encompass journalists who report on terror-related issues, such as Hedges, for supporting enemy forces. "It’s clearly unconstitutional," Hedges says of the bill. "It is a huge and egregious assault against our democracy. It overturns over 200 years of law, which has kept the military out of domestic policing." We speak with Hedges, now a senior fellow at the Nation Institute and former New York Times foreign correspondent who was part of a team of reporters that was awarded the Pulitzer Prize in 2002 for the paper’s coverage of global terrorism. We are also joined by Hedges’ attorney Carl Mayer, who filed the litigation on his behalf in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York.

 

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Not to worry. Cons majority on SCOTUS will uphold NDAA. - indefinite detention.

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Is that the source of your glee, or is it simply the fact that the Obama administration is being sued?

You've definitely got that right! - sm

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SCOTUS = Super Cons of the United States

Hold on... - Zville MT

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I'm currently reading the bill and haven't gotten to that part yet, but I thought congress took out the part about indefinitely detaining US citizens before passing it because of the negative attention it was given by both sides.

I'll do some more research, but if you know where in the bill to look for this, I'd greatly appreciate the direction - I'm already getting kind of lost in it :)

I think I found it, but I'd like some help. - Zville MT

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Go to http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112s1867es/pdf/BILLS-112s1867es.pdf

and start at page 426. About halfway down the page is section 1031, subtitle D. Read through the whole section and if it makes any sense to you at all, please post what you think this section means. I have an idea myself, but I'd like to hear some other interpretations.

Thanks :)

Subtitle D Sec 1031 line 10 pg 428 is specifically addressed in - Obama's signing NDAA statement

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as follows: 


Section 1021 affirms the executive branch's authority to detain persons covered by the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF) (Public Law 107-40; 50 U.S.C. 1541 note). This section breaks no new ground and is unnecessary. The authority it describes was included in the 2001 AUMF, as recognized by the Supreme Court and confirmed through lower court decisions since then. Two critical limitations in section 1021 confirm that it solely codifies established authorities. First, under section 1021(d), the bill does not "limit or expand the authority of the President or the scope of the Authorization for Use of Military Force." Second, under section 1021(e), the bill may not be construed to affect any "existing law or authorities relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States, or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States." My Administration strongly supported the inclusion of these limitations in order to make clear beyond doubt that the legislation does nothing more than confirm authorities that the Federal courts have recognized as lawful under the 2001 AUMF. Moreover, I want to clarify that my Administration will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens. Indeed, I believe that doing so would break with our most important traditions and values as a Nation. My Administration will interpret section 1021 in a manner that ensures that any detention it authorizes complies with the Constitution, the laws of war, and all other applicable law.


The entire signing statement can be found here.


http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/12/31/statement-president-hr-1540


I think existing legal precedents relative to the language found in sections 1021 and 1031, and particularly with regard to the PLAIN ENGLISH found in the signing statement, are fairly straightforward and should put to rest any concerns or extrapolations thereof (such as those recently voiced by Ron Paul and in the original post), not to mention relegate Conservative liberal hero Chris Hedges’ lawsuit to the frivolous, been-there-done-that category.    


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