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Posted: Feb 20, 2013

Inmates collecting millions from fraudulent unemployment checks By Joseph Weber They're behind bars, but you're still paying their "salaries." State and federal officials say inmates across the country continue to collect millions each year in fraudulent unemployment benefits -- often the result of oversight -- with the most recent case in Pennsylvania, where more than 1,000 people collected benefits while behind bars. Pennsylvania officials said this week the fraud occurred in county prisons because they failed to implement a system of cross-checking the Social Security numbers of benefit applicants, like they did with inmates in their state and federal prisons. Republican Gov. Tom Corbett said his administration is correcting the problem. But the 1,162 inmates had already collected about $334 every week for more than four months, costing taxpayers roughly $7 million. The state labor department said detecting the fraud is more difficult now that benefit checks -- once intercepted in inmates’ mail -- have largely been replaced with direct deposits to bank accounts. And the biweekly phone calls to renew benefits can be made by a friend or relative at home. Overall unemployment fraud is now at 2.85 percent, according to the Labor Department. The agency doesn’t have a specific number for fraud payments but said overall improper payments cost taxpayers $4.9 billion from July 2011 through June 2012, the agency’s most recent reporting period. The problem is hardly isolated to Pennsylvania. The states with the highest fraud rate over that period were Arizona at 9.21 percent; Mississippi at 9.05 percent; Louisiana at 8.29 percent; South Dakota at 5.95 percent; and Pennsylvania and New Mexico tied at 5.22 percent. The total amount of improper payments was roughly $890 million. Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com/unemployment/2013/02/20/inmates-collecting-millions-fraudulent-unemployment-checks#ixzz2LVKtT2PQ;

I suppose, technically, payments to people in jail should - be stopped, but I can't get too excited

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about their continuing for a few weeks. Many will have families who have to get along in spite of this new disaster. Many will be out of jail shortly and be broke and between jobs, and lots of bills don't stop running just because you're temporarily...inconvenienced. Like the rent. Or the kids' food. Really, when you think about it, this may be some of the best unemployment money we spend.

As for calling it fraud, though, technically yes, but not exactly up there with faking a disability. Jail is a major disruptor. Considering all the many necessary things that are not being done when one is arrested, contacting the employment services office is just going to join them willy-nilly on the not-done list.

And when you figure that nearly 100% of these payments will be going back into the local community, not invested overseas, the money's still busy working for us.

And, no, you don't have to agree with me. :)

Now, those over 9% rates claimed for ALL reasons for some states? THOSE need attention. Big time. That said, the two biggest means of fraud are

1. People collecting an extra check or two after they get a new job. They've usually fallen in debt, and the money is really needed.
2. People who work under the table for some income while they're unemployed and don't report it.

In other words, working people trying to keep from sinking further into a hole. Subtract those two "frauds" and you get the real thing. The stuff that makes practically all of us mad.

Except, maybe, for psychologists and other counselors who know their patients with personality disorders and other mental illness will never hold only a job very long. Now that federal "welfare" has a lifetime limit that runs long, long, long before lifetimes do (hopefully), they'd probably be excused for thinking any means of getting someone fed and inside in February is acceptable.

But THAT leaves the ones that get us all mad, right?

I have a problem inmates collecting UE with it for a few reasons: - Truthhurts

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1. The law states you must be available for work. Inmates are not.

2. Some inmates aren't going to be in jail for "a few weeks" or "a few months." Some will be in jail long after the UE benefits would run out.

3. That money comes out of the taxpayers pockets and fraud is fraud.

4. The families of inmates are probably collecting food stamps, Section 8 housing, Medicaid and any other programs at their disposal because of the SO being in jail, so justifying the inmate collecting UE is not an option.

It's not okay to give a pass to inmates of fraudulent UE just because they have a family and they're incapacitated. Inmates didn't go to jail because they wanted to - they went to jail because they broke the law and to allow fraud while there, is almost like saying it's okay for them to break the law once again. It has to stop.

I felt sure someone would represent that side. #4, - that "probably," is the problem. Childre

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three nutritious meals every day, a warm, dry bed every night. Probably just won't do. And these days, there's no probably about it. Better go find out what replaced Aid to Families with Dependent Children. It's not good.

The others have the validity of rules. If we don't enforce the rules, then where are we?

But sometimes that doesn't work as well as not enforcing them does, probably why we don't spend more money clamping down these being discussed. For instance, regarding keeping crime down, who do you think is more likely to get in trouble again?

**A 23-year-old who gets out of jail after 7 weeks and finds himself standing destitute outside his former apartment that's been let to someone else, all his clothes, tools, and other belongings sent to landfill, and his car just...gone?

**Or one who comes home, puts his key in the door, steps in, and says, "Oh, man, it's good to be home!"?

The purpose of our jails isn't really to punish, it's to discourage certain behaviors. Punishment is just one of the tools we use on our way to a worthier end with a far better payback, not as an end in itself. We want that kid back at work, supporting himself, paying taxes, and knowing that whatever he did really wasn't worth it. That's the happy ending.

And back to the subject of unemployment insurance--let's remember that this is a self-selected group of people who have proven themselves at least somewhat worthy, productive citizens, or they wouldn't have qualified in the first place.

I have a problem with one of your examples - Truthhurts
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You said:
**A 23-year-old who gets out of jail after 7 weeks and finds himself standing destitute outside his former apartment that's been let to someone else, all his clothes, tools, and other belongings sent to landfill, and his car just...gone?

Maybe rental laws are different in different states but in some states, you must give 90 days Notice to Vacate before evicting someone -- and if that 23-year-old has a family living there at the time with a young child or two and he gets out of prison in September or any cold month-- they cannot be evicted at all. The landlord must wait until April.
A 23-year-old who lives in one of the other states, then. - :) nm
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#3. Unemployment is paid by workers - not necessarily tax payers

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Employers pay premiums according to their hiring and lay-off history. So the money indirectly comes from the money that could be paid to employees. If you don't work or don't employ someone, it is no skin off your back.

Say for instance you are Mitt Romney and most of your income comes from the investments you made off-shoring companies. You don't have to pay unemployment compensation and you get to keep those tax-free profits in the Cayman Islands. The people who were unemployed as a result of your investment will now be drawing funds from an account that has been set up in trust previously. Win-win for you.

Just for the record.
Good point! - nm
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