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Posted: Sep 29, 2012

There has been a lot of talk about gay marriage and how it should be legalized because they can't help who they love and they should have the right just like straight couples, etc. Heck...even Lady Gaga knows they were born that way, right?

What about siblings who fall in love? I know..rare occurrence but go with me on this for a sec. They were born that way. They can't help who they fall in love with. Should they be legally allowed to marry?

There has been a lot of arguing from both sides about the definition of marriage. In the past it has always been defined as a man and woman. Let's say we change it to 2 people who love each other. Does that extend to siblings, first cousins, uncles and nieces, aunt and nephews...how about those who believe in having multiple spouses?

I guess the point of this long ramble is....would the very liberals who demand equality of marriage for gay people and acceptance of their lifestyles to the point of wanting homosexuality discussed in grade schools....would you too accept the other possible situations I mentioned above and demand their rights to marriage as well?

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Do you have any statistics or facts on the - number of people SM

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who want to marry siblngs, uncles, cousins, etc.? I doubt there are any actually. This post reminds me of what Rick Santorum once said, something along the lines of "If gay marriage is allowed, next thing you know, we will have people marrying horses". Straw argument, apples to oranges.

Apples and oranges.... - SK1

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At it's core, the purpose of marriage (in the traditional sense, the union between a man and a woman) is to populate the world and keep the species alive.

In gay marriage, there's obviously no possibility of that without outside help. Doesn't affect the future population at all. When siblings marry, the offspring start swimming in a very shallow gene pool. That's why there are laws that say that only distant (is it 3rd?) cousins can marry. It's the same with polygamists. One man, five wives.... Pretty soon you've got a whole lot of half-siblings around that shouldn't be biologically shouldn't be rolling in the hay with one another.

And your point is? Like I said, apples and - oranges NM

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The POINT is.... - SK1

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That people who oppose gay marriage do so based on MORAL grounds, hence the fight against legalizing it.

Prohibiting siblings/direct relatives from marrying AND PROCREATING makes sense biologically.

There's really no comparison and I don't see how one logically leads to the other.

For the record, I support gay marriage and gay couples make great parents -- whether through adoption or surrogacy. But I sure as heck would oppose any law that supported siblings marrying. It just doesn't make sense for the future of the human race.

This is exactly why gay marriage should not be allowed (sm) - My belief

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I have nothing against gays, civil unions for legal purposes. Once you start this, pretty soon like you said it's sisters, brothers, mothers, fathers, animals, whatever. Once this starts rolling downhill, that's it.

Your BELIEF is not fact. (nm) - anon

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Oh,okay, you're fine with civil unions for legal - purposes? In that case, SM

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all those sisters, brothers, mothers, fathers, animals, whatever can just form a civil union, right? Just as long as it isn't a religious ceremony, you're okay with it, which is what I take from your post. I don't have a problem with a person who does not believe in gay marriage, that's your perogative. I do have a problem when people with this view show their ignorance by comparing this to people marrying animals.

Fears gone wild - vf

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Thank God no one thought that allowing women the right to vote was a precursor to animal voting rights. Just think: Women would be denied the right to vote just because some nut cases thought it might lead to pigs, cows, and horses voting.

As for that "be fruitful and multiply” argument against gays: Ever consider how over populated the planet would be without some form of birth control? Ever consider that homosexuality might be God’s form of birth control? Ever consider that the all-knowing Entity did not invent condoms, spermicides or The Pill because He had a better way to prevent births? Ever consider that it is man and not God who suffers from homophobia? And last but not least, Ever consider that “God” just doesn’t give a hoot about any of it?

oh bravo!! - great post...

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I do think that Mr. Ed would likely make more informed choices than some partisans here. :)

That's your opinion and not a surprising one, - I might add.

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I love your post because... - me

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I get tired of hearing how the Bible says homosexuality is wrong. People, get real. God did not write the Bible, men did. That's those men's opinions. No, I am not an atheist and I am not gay, but I honestly do not believe the Bible is the word of God. It was written by MEN!!! Also, if all living creatures were created by God, then I guess he created gays too. Live with it.

Excellent post and excelent post titled Fears gone Wild - Demopublican (sm)

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I read both your posts after I posted mine. I think you both hit it on the head. You (me) understand who the Bible was written by. Amazing what you learn when you do your research. My ex (for whatever faults he had) always said the same exact thing to me (and he studied in a religious school). The Bible was written by men. They put in and take out what they didn't want in.

I grew up going from birth through my adult like going to church and services. We learned that God is love. God created all creatures to be equal in His eyes. He loves us all, not just heterosexuals. The people who profess to know God display time and time again they don't know Him. Just their closed minded view of what they want Him to be like.

You (vf) - have to say I'm glad I finally agree with you on something. I think you brought up some good points. Nobody REALLY knows God or what he wants. People can twist anything into what they want.

Ever consider pReaching in Islamist-run countries - SM

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They would love your anti-Christian screed there.

Not anti-Christian - me

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I'm not anti-Christian at all, but they wouldn't like me there either. The Koran was not written by God and neither were the Torah, Book of Mormon, etc. All written by men, every single one of them. While they all contain good advice for living a good life, God did not sit down with a pen and paper and personally write the Bible or any of the others.

Hahah...sm - JTBB

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The way you talk about it, you would think being gay is like doing drugs, always searching for something bigger and better.

I really do love my dogs and actually consider them part of the family, but I really don't think any of them would actually agree to marriage. The chickens on the other hand...well...:D

Somebody needs to make a movie about this...something along the lines of "Reefer Madness." LOL.

Your "beliefs" are why some people should - Demopublican

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not be discussing or have any say in this issue. We need laws that will be fair for ALL citizens, not just the ones you "have nothing against". But when you threw in the "once you start this" that's where the narrow minded thinking came out.

You do know that the same argument can be reversed. People who don't want same sex to marry, their definition is man and women, well then if you stick with that youll soon allow brother and sisters, uncles and nieces, father and daughter to marry. After all man/woman or animals. If you stick with the male /female thing then male and female cows and pigs can marry and Lordy, lordy what will become of this world. Maybe because that opens it up for so many situations to start "rolling downhill" then I think marriage between and man and woman should be outlawed. You know "human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together...mass hysteria" (aka curteosy of Dr. Venkman).

Here you go again - Demopublican

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You keep trying to make it out as though gays are a different species or that we are animals. We are not. We are human beings just like everyone else. We wake up, put on our clothes, eat our breakfast and go to work the same exact way everyone else does. The only difference is I love Sally and not Bill.

She is not my sister, mother, aunt, or cousin, and she is not my pet dog, horse, cow, or pig. She is a beautiful human being. She laughs, she cries, she works her butt off and pays her taxes, as do I and many others in this country. When people like you or others start comparing and talking about her like she is a dog, cow, or pig yes her feelings get hurt.

There are laws against siblings having sex with each other for a reason.

We don't need your rationing of who you think is worthy of marrying. I love her and she loves me and we will marry whether or not you or any puritans disagree. We are human beings and that is our right. The right to pursue happiness.

So you don't think God approves of gay marriage. Well guess what? You don't know him. I think he approves of anyone who loves each other and wants to be committed to each other that they have His blessing to marry, and you can pick out any scripture from the Bible and twist it into what you want to to serve your purpose because I can do the same thing too.

Marriage is the uniting of two people. Two people are two human beings. We are not children, cows, dogs, or related to each other. Marriage is between ourselves and God and nobody else's business. We will marry whether or not any puritian likes it or not.

I am both a Democrat and a Republican because I agree and disagree on different issues. We are asking to be afforded the same human rights as anyone else. We don't care if you accept or lifestyle or not. It's none of your business what we do. You don't invade other people's homes so leave us alone. Unless you are going to go into Bill and Susan's home or Paul and Mary's home nobody has the right to dictate how I and my partner/wife/wonderful human being live our own lives.

I don't know if sexuality is discussed in schools now. I grew up in a time it wasn't. It was discussed in the home by our parents, but if sexuality is discussed in school then there is nothing wrong with discussing sexuality of gays.

Besides...don't know of many cases where siblings are wanting to marry each other.

BRAVO! Perfectly said! nm - oldtimer

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I forgot to add - Demopublican

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When the times comes where I go to meet my maker then, and only then, will I find out if I was wrong. No man or woman on earth here knows what God wants. I just can't imagine him saying...gee you loved Sally with all your heart, you gave your life for her took care of her when she was sick, made her laugh, sat with her when she cried, did things together, volunteered together, went to church together, donated your time and money together to people who need it, but hey you were not a man and woman so I just didn't want you to have a religious service for you to look beautiful, have loved ones there and take vows to love and cherish each other the rest of your lives. But hey that's what civil services are for. You were supposed to go hide in a room where nobody could see you and hear you talk about your dedication to each other. .

Well I don't know, but I'm gonna give a 99.999999% chance he won't be saying that to me.

I'm sure he won't be saying that to you either. - me

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Who he will be chewing out are the so-called Born Again Bible Thumpers who think they are holier than though and the only ones worth being saved. Do they honestly think only Christians are guaranteed a place in Heaven? Give me a break.

You are not harming anyone with your lifestyle and all that matters is your happiness. All the judgmental people are the ones who will suffer in the end.

I'll give it 100% - vf

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Isn't it amazing how God can be made to have petty human prejudices, unfounded fears, and stupid rules? I'm betting that That All Powerful Entity is above human silliness. Besides, He's too busy keeping this planet circling the sun at just the right distance so that we won't burn to a crisp in that inferno. In fact, there are enough planets and universes to keep Him busy for all eternity, so I'm sure approving or disapproving marriage ceremonies is not on his To-do list.

Take it to the Faith Board - Please

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http://general.mtstars.com/sticky.php?id=73

The sun circling the earth and gay rights is not - a faith topic. Besides...

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She was responding to my post, which was about gay marriage and that I'm sick of posters comparing gays to cows and pigs, and I was responding the OP. Maybe you should tell the OP to take it to the faith board. This is the political board.

If you trust your heart. sm - VTMT

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you cannot go wrong. Simplistically, you either have a generous, kind heart or a selfish, hard heart. There are both kinds in all religions and people with no religion. If you foster kindness, blessings will be returned two-fold. Very simple.

Not that I agree or disagree - with the OP

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as I'm truly tired of this discussion...but the OP never once mentioned that gay people were a different species nor did that person mention being for or against gay marriage.

The OP was equating something with something - Demopublican

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Linking gay marriage with siblings wanting to marry each other is two different things. That would be like me saying Obama ate chocolate ice cream on his vacation then started a war when he got back to the WH so should we let politicians eat chocolate ice cream. See, one has nothing to do with the other.

Trying to link two human beings who are not related wanting to marry with siblings wanting to marry (which truthfully I've never even heard of one case), but trying to insinuate it's the same things is wrong. Those cases have to be taken on a one-on-one basis. There is no difference between a gay couple wanting to marry than there is a heterosexual couple wanting to marry. You can't like sibling marriage to the gay community as though you are trying to validate why gays should not be allowed the same rights every other human being is. The same could be turned and around and said since a sister and brother want to marry (male/female) should we outlaw all marriages of men to women.

To the OP - my apologies for dumping on you. I read another post that set me off and I took it out on you and I apologize for that. A lot of my post should have been directed at the ignorant words of my belief with "I have nothing against" and "once you start this" and then compared us with animals. Truly I'm sorry I dumped on you when it should have been directed at the other. Tomorrow I'll see if I can fix my post. Tonight I'm too tired.

I miss the old days - Ugh

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I miss the old days when they hid it. I'm so sick of this gay right stuff. Now if you don't accept it you have marches and all that. Get over it. I don't believe you are born that way, you decide to be that way. And no, same sex marriage should not be allowed.

Here's how I interpret that - (sm)

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"People these days are so inconsiderate, living their own lives in a way that makes me uncomfortable. Why can't they all just go back to living a lie in order to spare my feelings? Is that too much to ask?"

Well, yes, it is. And as far as deciding to be "that way," suppose it was suddenly decided that you had to develop romantic and sexual feelings for a member of your same sex. Could you just "decide" to do that? No? Then maybe you ought not to be so quick to judge what's right for other people.

I can understand why you'd feel that way.... - SK1

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If you truly feel like homosexuality is a choice, I can understand why you would want it to be "hidden." We don't want to be exposed to things we're uncomfortable with.

That said, besides the fact that homosexuality makes some people uncomfortable, I don't understand the objection to gay marriage. It doesn't affect heterosexual couples at all.... It simply gives homosexual couples the same rights that we enjoy.

As Americans we have always protested what we feel are injustices. It's the American way. I see the gay rights movement as no different.

I can understand why people have objected to other rights movements --

Child labor prohibition deprived employers of slave labor and the general labor movement eliminated sweatshop conditions and provided employees air pay which hit their pocketbooks hard. Of course, the civil rights movement elevated African Americans to equality whereas they had previously been chattel. And, of course, men were deeply threatened by suffragette movement because it greatly changed the voting population. Each of those movements impacted other people negatively (or so those who objected to it saw it).

Probably a better way to state it, rather than my long-winded example, is to say that people have always been uncomfortable with human rights issues that challenge long held tradition, but down the road we see that it was the right thing to do.

Why does it matter - RC

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I truly do not understand why you care who is married and who is not. It does not affect any one else's marriage.

Even if you are right (though I disagree with you) and being gay is a choice, I STILL don't understand why it matters in regards to marriage.

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