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The Civil War is Here

Posted: Mar 30, 2017

Long, but good article. ;

Could you post a synopsis of the article - no time to read long articles.

Very brief synopsis - sm

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The left has rejected all forms of authority that it doesn’t control. The left is radicalized. The old treason of the sixties has come of age.

By: Daniel Greenfield, a New York writer focusing on radical Islam.

It took decades to build a great country and only a short time - to fall into an uncivil abyss, about a

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generation or so to believe in communism/socialism.

The communists and socialist with their open borders and welfare programs that redistribution until everyone is equally miserable will in no time destroy this country.

You can’t make the poor rich by making the rich poor. – Abraham Lincoln

Really? - sm

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"FrontPage Magazine (also known as FrontPageMag.com) is an online right-wing political website, edited by David Horowitz and published by the David Horowitz Freedom Center."

I'm assuming this is only being posted for the rights to read, correct?

Something we should all be able to agree on - old and burned out

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Lots of talk below on government waste but if you look at the budget the three huge items that take up most of the budget are defense, Medicare and Medicaid, and Social Security. There are lots of things that could be done but neither party has the guts to tackle them. Instead our brilliant president wants to cut much needed medical research, Meals on Wheels, etc., which are only a small part of the budget. We probably do not agree on defense but when we already spend more than the next 7 nations combined, don't you think there is room for cost savings rather than adding another 54 billion? This is especially true when some of the greatest threats to our welfare are cyber warfare and do not call for bigger and better planes and battleships.

Sorry, meant to add the above as a new post - old and burned out

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Oops!

Leave em alone - myonlymeansofsurvival

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I am 72 years old. I paid in to both SS and Medicare. You don't think I deserve that. I can no longer work. I have diastolic dysfunction and other health problems.

I worked to supplement my SS. I tried to save money for retirement and had a 401K till my company went out of business and there was no place to put my 401K. Took the money and the penalty for not being 59-1/2.

So every time I had any kind of retirement, something always came along and took that away.

So pray tell what are older people supposed to do for money to live and also healthcare. I have a supplement I pay and I pay my share of Medicare premiums. I do not get that magic number they keep foisting on all of us as to how much the average person gets.

I have a small, tiny, tiny pension that helps with my supplemental insurance.

I do not think you should take away something that they made us participate in, SS and Medicare. There was no opting out. So lay off of people like me who just want to live our our remaining days hoping this country gets better and not worse. I know if the left did not constantly hinder and fake instances that seem to require an expensive hearing and all, then lots of us Americans would have good jobs and be able to save for our kids' college and our retirement.

I also had to take care of my mother. So if you please, don't lump me in with all the ones who are sponging off of you supposedly. You don't think there were spongers when I was paying into the system.

What? I get what your saying except the - part about the left

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constantly hindering and fake instances. The republicans are the ones who want to get rid of your SS, Medicaid and other things. There's nothing fake about what is going on now with Trump's team.

Maybe you should re-read the post you responded to because that person said nothing about taking things away from you.

Thanks for this answer - old and burned out

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I am also older and on Medicare and SS. I said nothing about taking it away but rather making some changes that will keep both programs strong. This includes raising the income limit on SS deductions and perhaps raising the age qualifications. I also have an idea about Medicare but the politicians don't want to discuss real, helpful changes because it's very difficult and could mean political suicide. The very last thing we want is for these programs to run out of money.

You're welcome. I was rather blown - away by the response

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that poster gave. I totally agreed with your first post and this post. I'm hoping that poster took my advice and re-read your post and realized what you were saying.

Maybe that's one of the problems on this board - old and burned out

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There's a large group of posters who either misread or misconstrue just about everything.

I like Horowitz. He was raised by a family of communists and - knows what he's talking about. The author of

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article is Daniel Greenfield, not Horowitz. He often writes about anti-Israel J Street in D.C.

Anything written by Greenfield is time well spent.

It's still a - sm

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right wing site. It's the right complaining of "fake news" all the time, but expect the left to accept a very alt right slanted article by an author who writes on radical Islam, LOL. Seriously not happening.

I like him too, but it's worthless to debate that here. - This place is just a my dog is bigger

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than yours site.

I like Greenfield too. He is Jewish and investigates - ISIS since they want to wipe Jews off the

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face of the earth. He's a good go-to person to read about this.

The left wants to lead us into the future. The - right wants to rule us back to the past.

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The left wants globalism. The right wants to put - America first.

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I just decided to stay on the right side. Thanks!

Go Trump - Make America Great AGAIN.

Whether you like it or not - Burt the Cat

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we live in a global economy and that is not going to change. We are not going to make America greater by becoming isolationists; it has never worked and never will. We rely on foreign countries to buy our goods. We rely on foreign students to populate our universities. We buy foreign-made goods because they are cheaper. We enter into alliances to keep us safe. Both Donald Trump and his sons have just hired more foreign workers because they say they can't find Americans (probably because of what they are willing to pay). It goes on.

Thank you, Burt - sm

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I think it's possible to put America first and still live in the global economy. I think it's odd that Globalism is somehow seen as the enemy of caring for America and Americans. I don't see the two as mutually exclusive. But hey, whatever President Bannon says. He's the stick that stirs the drink.

I wonder if the Trumpeters have read Steve Bannon - in his own words

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He has said he wants to destroy the system and start all over again. Considering the people who have been put in charge of the various cabinet departments I would say he is going to get his wish. Personally, I think the system needs changing too; I just don't think Steve Bannon is the one to do it.

After we finish the Mexico wall, we should - mt

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wall off the coastal areas and split up.

That would be fine with us coastal folks. You interior guys don't pull your weight. - Sounds nutty, doesn't it?

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I think it would be for the best. I hope - mt

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it happens. I don't believe the elite will allow it. What does the future hold? Will be be a free nation or a nation of slaves?

Well, the Trump supporters will be gagging - on coal, drinking poison

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water, eating poison food or starving because you can't afford food anymore after he puts Tariffs on Mexican goods. You'll all be working in factories for minimum wage but will get laid off because he shut off all the countries for trade. You'll have no healthcare. You will have Trump TV where you can glue your eyes to his every word and bowing to him.

We will be prospering because we will be shipping our goods to other countries, eating food and drinking water that was protected by the EPA. Unfortunately, we'll get your smog from the coal but we'll be using alternative energy to do what we can to keep our air clean. Maybe we'll have tech people who will invent a way to blow all your smog back to you. We'll be healthy because we have a healthcare plan that benefits everybody, probably national healthcare.

The wall will be guarded so you Trumpsters can't come on our side.

Vice versa. I wouldn't want the coasters on - mt

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our side. I'd stick with the flyover states with Trump as president.

You'll be stuck with Lucifer.

Where do you think we will be if we don't accept - globalism?

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We will be left behind while the rest of the world moves forward. The right doesn't want to put America first if you think isolating us from the rest of the world is a good thing.

Trump doesn't intend to isolate nm - mt

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What Trump intends - Burt the Cat

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and what he proves every day is to make himself, his family and his billionaire associates as rich as possible and take as much money as he can away from the old, the poor and the disadvantaged. What a guy!

What is he doing not to isolate us? - I've not seen anything

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He wants a wall. I'm sure he'll push for a wall across our Canadian border too at some point. He's broken the Trade deal. I've not seen him working on any deals with these individual countries, have you?

I wonder, does breaking from the TPP have anything to do with his investments in China? China will be benefiting from us getting out of the trade deal. Hmmmm........that does raise some serious questions.

He's against illegal immigration. - mt

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I don't think there is a problem with the Canadian border.

I think he will redo the trade deals to make them more fair to our country. He really hasn't been in office very long.

I've seen nothing in him to indicate he wants to profit. This seems to be a lie of the far left elites, something they can use against him although there is no basis.

If he didn't want to profit - Resist Trump

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he would divest and/or put his holdings in a blind trust. That way he would not know if his legislation was making him richer. Also, if he was honest, he would release his tax returns - which, by the way, he originally said he would do.

Anyone that actually bothers to READ what is going on - would know that; so, that

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leaves out the alt-left totally. They never read anything further than the NYT headlines, always wrong BTW, and take that as gospel. Pretty typical of the alt-left.

Actually, I don't read the New York Times. - I read/watch CBS mostly

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along with NPR, NBC, etc., MSM as you call it. They always seem pretty fair about what is going on. I'm not really left or right. I have voted both ways. I even voted for Independent Ross Perot.

I vote for who I think will do the best job for our country. Unfortunately, it is usually not republicans and especially not Trump. They are the party of take from the middle class/poor and give to the rich. Many folks on the right think that's okay and criticize the ones who want to help the poor and middle class.

When people use the term globalism, - mt

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I think they mean having no borders, no countries, and being ruled by an evil oligarchy dictatorship.

They're not talking about countries having friendly relationships with each other and trade.

The left had led us into a godless future. That's why we are in the - state of turmoil we are in.

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Our universities are a prime example of this.

University professors are propagandists warping minds with stuff like white privilege and anti-Americanism. It's going to take at least a generation to overcome this.

I just love the excuses from the right for being - poorly educated! nm

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It's unreal isn't it? - sm

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I mean some of the stuff I read is better than any fictional book I could ever read. Just WOW!

Maybe you should go to another college/university - I didn't have any

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professors warping my mind. Did you go to college or are you just repeating something from social media? If you did go, please share with us so we can avoid that college.

Do you own research. There are many out there. - Young conservatives document this

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all the time through their websites like Campus Reform and others.

I didn't ask for research. I told you my - professors didn't try

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to warp me and asked if you went to college or just read it on social media. I guess providing a link answers my question.

Thank you for posting this!! nm - mt

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The left doesn't think they have an ideology. They think what - they believe is the "norm."

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They don't understand Constitutional authority. Look at the healthcare discussion.

Thanks very much for posting this excellent explanation of what we are seeing right now. This is a must read.

The leftist media is our greatest enemy. If the leftist agenda was properly exposed by an honest media, it would be rejected. That isn’t going to happen when the vast majority of the media supports and contributes to their common agenda.

"If the leftist agenda was properly exposed" - mt

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This is the key.

Look at how the MSM tries to control the narrative. - "Russians meddling in the election."

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The Russians have been meddling in our country for years, especially since the 80s. Have you ever watched The Americans on TV? That really happened. The Soviet Union trained spies to live as Americans, especially near D.C. and Northern VA. They infiltrated the FBI. They infiltrated education. They tried to undermine religion. Nelson DeMille wrote a book about it.

They've been eroding as much of our morality as they can, i.e. religion. Look at the college campus, a breading ground for Marxism.

Obama tried to undermine Israel's election. Hillary and Obama when to Libya which led to Benghazi. How about overthrowing Pinochet and what Jimmy Carter did to the Shah in Iran?

If the media did it's job we wouldn't be in this position.

It's the FBI - Nn

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not the so-called "MSM", or as rational non-conspiracy theorists call the real NEWS, that's running an investigation regarding Russian interference in the election. But while these right winged articles you read continue in their own little fantasy conspiracy world, the rest of us will wait what the FBI investigation results will be.

Question on Russia investigation - mt

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It was said by the agencies that Russia "fingerprints" were detected on election hacking. Then someone said that fingerprints may be misleading. For instance, our own government could leave fingerprints that look like Russia but aren't. Maybe others could also do that. So how do we know its Russia?

You need to ask the FBI - sm

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Seriously...they're conducting the investigation.

That is a valid point, one that the Dems/Libs/Commies - always ignore because it

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does not fit their agenda. Yet, there is definite proof of Clintons underhanded dealings with the uranium - a point the Dems/Commies/Libs routinely ignore. Shows you there is no loyalty to AMERICA. Their only loyalty is to their twisted ideological beliefs.

Another point to consider on how this happened is why the left continues to - push illegal immigration. They vote for Dems.

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Obama beat Romney by close to 80%-20% among young non-white voters.

Massive immigration is destroying Conservative political power.

Since a majority in Congress still support massive illegal immigration, I think violent civil conflict in the USA is inevitable.

It seems so. It would be a good idea to just - mt

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split up.

Where did you come up with the left pushing - illegal immigration?

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You state illegal immigration then you say massive immigration is destroying Conservative political power. So now you're against immigration too. Name some people in Congress who support "massive illegal immigration." I'd like to know who those people are.

I remember that Hillary gave a speech to - mt

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Wall St and told them she would leave the border open. She got paid a lot for the speech.

Read what the poster wrote "Illegal immigration" - not "immigration" as you

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spun it. BIG DIFFERENCE.

Not only that but they push santuary cities, - too.

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Same thing I guess.

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