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Posted: May 15, 2012

Last week we learned about President Obama’s first post-college romantic relationships. This week, we’re discovering details of Mitt Romney’s prep-school sadism. While I think we should tread carefully when examining the youthful experiences and mistakes of both presidential candidates, I thought Obama’s romantic past was fair game in Vanity Fair. I think the Washington Post’s well-reported feature on Young Mr. Romney’s entitled cruelty to gay classmates and a disabled teacher is even more revealing and important.

There are four named sources and a fifth who stayed anonymous to recount an incident in which Romney gathered a “posse” to forcibly cut the hair of a gay-seeming classmate:

Back on the handsome campus, studded with Tudor brick buildings and manicured fields, he spotted something he thought did not belong at a school where the boys wore ties and carried briefcases. John Lauber, a soft-spoken new student one year behind Romney, was perpetually teased for his nonconformity and presumed homosexuality. Now he was walking around the all-boys school with bleached-blond hair that draped over one eye, and Romney wasn’t having it.

“He can’t look like that. That’s wrong. Just look at him!” an incensed Romney told Matthew Friedemann, his close friend in the Stevens Hall dorm, according to Friedemann’s recollection. Mitt, the teenaged son of Michigan Gov. George Romney, kept complaining about Lauber’s look, Friedemann recalled.

A few days later, Friedemann entered Stevens Hall off the school’s collegiate quad to find Romney marching out of his own room ahead of a prep school posse shouting about their plan to cut Lauber’s hair. Friedemann followed them to a nearby room where they came upon Lauber, tackled him and pinned him to the ground. As Lauber, his eyes filling with tears, screamed for help, Romney repeatedly clipped his hair with a pair of scissors.

That’s assault, people.

“It happened very quickly, and to this day it troubles me,” Cranbrook wrestling champion John Buford told the Post. He later apologized to Lauber, who he said was “terrified,” he said. “What a senseless, stupid, idiotic thing to do.” Another classmate ran into Lauber, who later came out as gay, and apologized in the 1990s.  “It was horrible.” Lauber told him. “It’s something I have thought about a lot since then.”  The bullied classmate died in 2004, with his thinning hair still blonde. “He never stopped bleaching it,” his sister told the Post.

Lauber wasn’t the only gay student bullied by Romney. Gary Hummel, who was closeted, recalled that Romney mocked his efforts to speak out in class by shouting, “Atta girl!”  He pulled several pranks on a teacher with seriously compromised eyesight, once “escorting” him into a closed set of doors and “giggling hysterically” when he ran into them. Another time he propped up the back axle of the teacher’s VW bug and laughed as the man hit the gas pedal “with his wheels spinning in the air.” Hilarious!

In a hastily scheduled interview with a friendly Fox host, Romney made this statement: “I participated in a lot of hijinks and pranks during high school, and some might have gone too far, and for that I apologize.” He sort of said he didn’t remember assaulting Lauber. “I don’t remember that incident,” Romney said, laughing. (Laughing?) “I certainly don’t believe that I thought the fellow was homosexual. That was the furthest thing from our minds back in the 1960s, so that was not the case.” So he obviously remembers something – but he didn’t know the guy was gay! About taunting Gary Hummel with “Atta girl,” Romney offers a similar qualified denial: “I really can’t remember that. As this person indicated, he was closeted. I had no idea that he was gay and can’t speak to that even today.” So I didn’t do it, and anyway, the guy was closeted. Romney closed with the classic non-apology apology:  ”If there’s anything I said that is offensive to someone, I certainly am sorry for that, very deeply sorry for that.”

I’m not sure what’s worse – that he remembers his cruel pranks, and he’s lying about it, or that such cruelty doesn’t stand out in his memory. It’s all of a piece with Romney’s cavalier statements about power and entitlement: “I like being able to fire people who provide services to me;” joking to a group of unemployed voters that he’s “unemployed” too; the $10,000 bet with Rick Perry; his statement the other day that retirees “can’t begin to live off the puny interest from their CDs.” He’s still the same entitled rich kid, the one whose classmate told the Post he thought deserved some punishment in the Lauber incident –  punishment that of course never came. No wonder the story of poor Seamus on the roof of the car never goes away: we have stories of Mechanical Mitt, and Mean Mitt, and very few of Mitt as a man who shows genuine empathy to people (or other living beings) less powerful than he is.

One Obama-Romney parallel is striking. On Wednesday President Obama hastily schedules an interview to announce that he supports gay marriage. On Thursday Romney hastily schedules an interview to say he can’t remember assaulting one gay student and insulting another. That’s a pretty stark choice right there.

Update: This is rich: Some of Romney’s school-days friends are being asked by the campaign to step forward and defend him from the Washington Post story charges – and they’re balking. Stu White told ABC News that he is “still debating” whether he will help, addding, “It’s been a long time since we’ve been pals.”

Another classmate and old friend of Romney’s told ABC “a lot of guys” who went to Cranbrook have “really negative memories” of Romney’s behavior there. He described it as “evil” and “like Lord of the Flies.” The classmate, who wouldn’t be named, says Romney is lying when he says he can’t remember the hair-cutting incident.

“It makes these fellows [who have owned up to it] very remorseful.  For [Romney] not to remember it? It doesn’t ring true.  How could the fellow with the scissors forget it?” the former classmate said.

And another classmate, Phillip Maxwell, who witnessed the hair-cutting incident, told CBS today: “Mitt was a prankster, there’s no doubt about it. This thing with Lauber wasn’t a prank. This was, well, as a lawyer, it was an assault. It was an assault and a battery. And I’m sure that John Lauber carried it with him for the rest of his life.”

It seems like Romney’s glib dismissal of the story is bothering his old friends. Stay tuned; Romney’s going to have to say  more about this soon. A lawyer just termed it “assault.”

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Dems - once liars always liars - No end to the lies

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A MADE-UP INCIDENT THAT SUPPOSEDLY TOOK PLACE OVER 47 YEARS AGO. No proof it ever happened. The guy that supposedly got the hair cut is dead and family said it never happened. Family also said that it was disgraceful to use the memory of their family member as a political football. No sources actually listed...just "quotes" by anonymous sources..yeah right.

Obama must be so desparate, grasping at straws to go back 45+ years to get imaginary pranks, with quotes by imaginary friends...ranks right up there with Obama's imaginery girlfriends.

AND AS PER THE USUAL DEM/LIB HYPOCRISY, OBAMA GETS A COMPLETE PASS ON "PROVABLE DRUG USE, DRUG DEALS AND ADMITTED BULLYHING/ABUSE BY OBAMA, ALL CLAIMED BY OBAMA IN OBAMA'S OWN WORDS.

Anonymous sources? - DD

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Actually they were not "anonymous sources" except for one who did not wish to be named. If they are lying how is that Obama's fault?

The incident was recalled similarly by five students, who gave their accounts independently of one another. Four of them — Friedemann, now a dentist; Phillip Maxwell, a lawyer; Thomas Buford, a retired prosecutor; and David Seed, a retired principal — spoke on the record. Another former student who witnessed the incident asked not to be named. The men have differing political affiliations, although they mostly lean Democratic. Buford volunteered for Barack Obama’s campaign in 2008. Seed, a registered independent, has served as a Republican county chairman in Michigan. All of them said that politics in no way colored their recollections.

Also do you really think Obama pushing a girl because kids were teasing that he was her boyfriend equates to (if Mr. Friedemann and the others are telling the truth) as an 18-year-old with a gang of other kids holding down someone and cutting their hair off? I smoked pot back when I was in school a few times...but I never physically assaulted someone because of how they looked.

drug use by politicians - in their college years

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Who C-A-R-E-S? College students test the boundaries and smoke a little weed to fit in. What a silly thing to get hung up on. Busybody.

See Obama gets another pass - Speaking of busybody

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Skip right over what OBAMA said about OBAMA selling drugs, what OBAMA said about OBAMA taking drugs "enthusiastically", what OBAMA said about OBAMA randomly bullying people...all in his own words. Imaginery sources talking about allegedly cutting someones hair, yeah...haircuts "what a silly thing to get hung up on" busybody. Apparently YOU C-A-R-E enough to keep the lies and spin going, and present no facts.
Was Romney a barber? Did the boy ask for a haircut? - sm
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If a schoolmate had come at you with a pair of scissors and indiscrimately hacked off your hair without your permission to make a point, would you not have considered it an assault. The boy was crying and screaming during this assault and Romney doesn't remember? How could someone forget that?

I do think he has matured and we shouldn't judge someone on what they did when young and foolish but don't insult me by saying you don't remember the incident unless there were so many that distinguishing one from the other is impossible.
don't buy it - ...
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Obama "randomly bullying people"? Nope. Try again, but stay away from the hyperbolic chamber.
Clear you didn't read Obama's book - OBAMA STATED HE BULLIED...
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people randomly...OBAMA'S words. Guess truth means so little to you, someone has to get the page and paragraph. BTW - If too lazy to page through the book, OBAMA STATES IT IN THE AUDIO HE DID OF HIS BOOK. You can FF to the random bullying, coke snorting, drug dealing and dope smoking. Take your own advice and "stay away from hyperbolic chamber". Your lack of knowledge on Obama is embarrassing to you...Try again; this time try some truth.
You mean this? - DD
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There was one other child in my class, though, who reminded me of a different sort of pain. Her name was Coretta, and before my arrival she had been the only black person in our grade. She was plump and dark and didn’t seem to have many friends. From the first day, we avoided each other but watched from a distance, as if direct contact would only remind us more keenly of our isolation.

Finally, during recess one hot, cloudless day, we found ourselves occupying the same corner of the playground. I don’t remember what we said to each other, but I remember that suddenly she was chasing me around the jungle gym and swings. She was laughing brightly, and I teased her and dodged this way and that, until she finally caught me and we fell to the ground breathless. When I looked up, I saw a group of children, faceless before the glare of the sun, pointing down at us.

“Coretta has a boyfriend! Coretta has a boyfriend!”

The chants grew louder as a few more kids circled us.

“She’s not my g-girlfriend,” I stammered. I looked to Coretta for some assistance, but she just stood there looking down at the ground. “Coretta’s got a boyfriend! Why don’t you kiss her, mister boyfriend?”

“I’m not her boyfriend!” I shouted. I ran up to Coretta and gave her a slight shove; she staggered back and looked up at me, but still said nothing. “Leave me alone!” I shouted again. And suddenly Coretta was running, faster and faster, until she disappeared from sight. Appreciative laughs rose around me. Then the bell rang, and the teachers appeared to round us back into class.
Nope - Obama was in high school
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Nice try though.
Hmm - DD
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Well I have not read his book and searched and searched and cannot find anything besides the one I posted. You obviously have seen it somewhere so could you post the excerpt or a link to it...thanks.
To DD - Conservative
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I hope you do not mind my answering your question. I am at work; so, I only have a minute. I believe OP was referring to the quotes (and audio that Obama did of his own book) describing how he spent the last 2 years of high school. Obama talked about how he took drugs "enthusiastically", sold/snorted cocaine, and spent afternoons on the beach with friends looking for people to randomly bully. There is an audio version of Obama's book, too, read by Obama. Since I am at work with limited time, I did not have time to look this link up. I am sure with a little research, you will find the book quotes in print or the voice. You can purchase the audio through Amazon.

Also, saw a few of your other posts.
Even though we do not seem to have the same views on issues, please do not get discouraged. There are some posters that are more intent on verbal abuse and insulting others than trying to discuss anything of substance. It has gotten so bad with some, that there are a few of us that acutally went off the board to avoid all the negative comments and verbal abuse. We have enjoyed phenomenal discussions and keep in touch regularly. Your posts have been polite and substantive, which is sorely needed. Keep posting.

I also found your banking post intriguing, but I have not had time to research this as I would like (and also up to my eyebrows in work, which is always a good thing).

Hope this helps!
Still no luck - DD
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Thanks for your help. If this is the excerpt people are talking about I do not know but I dont see where he says HE went to the beach with his friends to fight people anymore than he is calling himself a white person with a van or a brother he met at the gym.  Sorry but I am finding that a HUGE stretch for people to make.


Junkie. Pothead. That's where I'd be headed: the final, fatal role of the young would-be black man. Except the highs hadn't been about that, me trying to prove what a down brother I was. Not by then anyway. I got just the opposite effect, something that could push questions of who I was out of my mind, something that could flatten out the landscape of my heart, blur the edges of my memory. I had discovered that it didn't make any difference whether you smoked reefer in the white classmmate's sparkling new van, or in the dorm room of some brother you'd met at the gym, or on the beach with a couple of Hawaiian kids who had dropped out of school and now spent most of their time looking for an excuse to brawl.


I am not going to buy his book because to be honest with you I would rather spend that money on some annuals for my yard. Unlike the label people want to put on people who vote for Obama...i do not worship him nor think he is any perfect unblemished messiah. If someone gave me the book I would read it...but I have other things to spend my money on.


Something MBMT said hit the money right on the mark....yes ALL presidents have received criticism and bashing (fair or unfair), but the vitriol that this man who is president now has had to face is UNPRECEDENTED and the most ridiculous frothing-at-the-mouth garbage I have EVER witnessed in my life.  And as soon as someone uses these ridicilous accusations and trumped up garbage in an argument...I no longer care nor take any value in what comes out of their mouths anymore.  If you think raising taxes on the rich wont help, then give a LEGITIMATE reason why...not "Obama is just a jealous racist who hates anyone rich and anyone white" or if he feels that wage disparity with CEOs making over 300% more than their workers   "he is a communist marxist muslim who wants to bring this country to its knees so the muslim brotherhood can take over."  I would rather listen to water drip than those people.

Drug dealing? - mbmt
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I don't remember him ever saying he was a drug dealer. Where is that stated in the book?
Obama drug dealer - ...
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Get his book and read it. It's all in there.
Where in the book did you read that? - mbmt
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So, are you saying you read the book and he said he was a drug dealer?
i cant waste my precious - time
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engaging with people who believe a damning event is imaginery.
And yet you continue that very thing with the - Democrats smoke and mirrors
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No proof the ALLEGED, IMAGINERY incident ever took place. But heh, the dope dealing and dope doing bny OBAMA is way cool and okay.

If that's so... - Zville MT

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Then we could say once a pot smoker, always a pot smoker? Fair is fair, right?

Let's be real here - people can change. The biggest bully from my class in high school is now a lawyer for the ACLU.

That explains the ACLU choice - Conservative

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What better place for a bully than ACLU! This story has no credibility whatsoever regarding Romney. It looks like a major effort to try and dig up anything, no matter how inaccurate or assanine. This 10-page hit piece, with no facts, no witness and the alleged "victim" dead, is a glaring example of how scared Obama is that Romney is picking up momentum.

I agree with you about the hit piece - Zville MT

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No credibility whatsoever, but I can't believe the attention it's being given! I guess the Obama campaign can't bother themselves to check on facts, kinda like thier new ad bashing Romney for a business that Bain Capital shut down two years after Romney left the company. Most people would rather talk about the economy and jobs, but sticking to facts would be too difficult for the Obama campaign - not to mention detrimental for his reelection.
They just look more and more ridiculous - Conservative
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Because of their full-blown dishonesty. What makes them think anyone will be believe anything they write now? They are operating under the same dishonest behaviors as Media Matters. What is so stange is, they will not let it go even though it has been proven that there are multiple lies. Another point I find odd is they have spent record days on an untrue, unsubstantiated, unsourced article. Yet, this same paper skipped right over the fact there were memos published, written by Obama and his camp, setting up a fall guy (McCraven) in case the bin Laden kill did not work out so that good old Obama would have a scapegoat. That is not newsworthy, but an incident that cannot be proved from over 47 years ago, is written about to the point of maniacal obsession.

Why not write about how Obama wanted his own behind so politically protected, he made sure he had one of the beloved military to throw under the bus so Obama would look good for the "heroic call" he made. Obama nothing but a girly man and no stones. My parakeet has bigger stones than Obama.
Interesting - DD
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Do you have a link to these memos? Thanks.
This memo from Panetta?! - DD
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Please explain how this makes Admiral McRaven a fall guy?! Talk about ridiculous.


Received phone call from Tom Donilon who stated that the President made a decision with regard to AC1 [Abbottabad Compound 1]. The decision is to proceed with the assault.

The timing, operational decision making and control are in Admiral McRaven’s hands. The approval is provided on the risk profile presented to the President. Any additional risks are to be brought back to the President for his consideration. The direction is to go in and get bin Laden and if he is not there, to get out. Those instructions were conveyed to Admiral McRaven at approximately 10:45 am.

What a bunch of bull! - nm
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Several articles regarding "scapegoat" memo - Depends on how much truth U want
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Bin Laden Alibi Memo Called “No Big Deal”
Semi-News/Semi-Satire ^ | 12 May 2012 | John Semmens

Posted on Monday, May 14, 2012 1:37:07 PM by John Semmens

Revelation that CIA Director Leon Panetta drafted a memo that would’ve been used to absolve President Obama of blame had the mission to kill Osama bin Laden failed was labeled “no big deal” by Presidential Press Secretary Jay Carney. Targeted to take the fall was Naval Special Operations Commander Adm. Bill McRaven.

“Protecting the president is ‘job #1′ for everyone working for the federal government,” Carney contended. “The president is the essential man in our government. Everyone else is expendable. I mean, who’s ever heard of McRaven? Would it be the end of the world if he were made a scapegoat?”

“Realistically, sacrificing one man’s career is a small price to pay for preserving the president’s credibility,” Carney added. “Taking the blame for your Commander-in-Chief is an obligation that any soldier or sailor should be proud of. He could’ve been asked for a lot more. After all, Secret Service agents are routinely expected to take a bullet for the president. Next to that, being designated a fool or blunderer for a botched mission should be considered a walk in the park.”

if you missed any of this week's other semi-news posts you can find them at...

Articles also in Baltimore Sun, freerepublic, mp-pistol to name a few more.
What a crock - DD
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Sorry Free Republic is as credible as Sean Hannity. Went to the Baltimore Sun and only found it on message board and opinion piece.

I dont see how a memo stating Obama, as this Admiral's commander in chief, giving the Admiral actually on the ground in charge of the Seals and who has the military experience to do so control of the details of when, where and how is laying the groundwork for this Admiral becoming a scapegoat.

The Admiral was DOING HIS JOB that he is paid to do. Does anyone seriously, seriously think that if that mission had failed that people would have blamed the Admiral who was following orders from the COMMANDER IN CHIEF instead of Obama himself. YEAH RIGHT!! They just cannot give Obama ANY credit whatsoever for this so they have to find someway to DISCREDIT him. Its pathetic and disgusting and tactics like these why I would die before I would believe anything that came out of Sean Hannity's mouth or anyone on his disgusting program.
Quotes are Satire - DD
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The sad thing...people who read these quotes you posted will not be able to recognize they are satire and will take them as truth. Sigh.
sighing with you - ...
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it's just getting scary how many people cannot distinguish the difference between truth and satire - even when it says "satire" at the top of the page!
..."sigh" - Such feigned concern for truth
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Too bad you never see that feigned "sigh" concern for truth when posters quote Medial Matters or Huff and Puff. Yet, Media Matters has repeatedly stated AND wrote they would lie about and destroy anyone and their families, at any time, in any way, in any form, if it was someone that MM just did not like or did not care for their POV. Obviously, "Sherlock", you stopped searching for the truth. The articles listed by OP were not the only articles. And no, I'm not posting any sites or any links. I did my homework and found the articles and interviews that OP stated; not doing yours.

It is just so scary that so few on here cannot distinguish truth from dem/lib spin and are too lazy to do any research.
I do not feign concern for the truth - sm
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I am fair in my posts and always do my research. Maybe if you took a break from name-calling, you might be able to tease out the difference between your numinous assumptions and reality.

I disagree - Not a bully

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The Washington Post's controversial exposé on the young Mitt Romney just became more controversial. Presented as an investigative journalism piece, Jason Horowitz’s article contrasts sharply with a similar "flashback" article on Romney recently published in the June 2012 print edition of Automobile Magazine by author David Murray. Both articles chronicle anecdotal events in Romney’s teen years as told by classmates and friends. But while both quote some of the same people, the Washington Post article contains several inexplicable inconsistencies, omissions and false inferences.

The WaPo article focuses on the alleged John Lauber haircutting incident, including quotes from Romney childhood friend Phillip Maxwell: “’It was a hack job,’ recalled Maxwell, a childhood friend of Romney who was in the dorm room when the incident occurred. ‘It was vicious.’”

Apparently not so vicious, however, for Maxwell to relate the incident for the Auto Mag article. Auto Mag does, however, quote Maxwell giving crucial details notably missing from the Post piece: “’I'm a Democrat, so I won't vote for him,’ says Maxwell. 'But he'd probably make a pretty good President. He's very smart, very principled.’”

The Post neglected to mention these relevant facts, just as it neglected to mention Maxwell’s skepticism about Romney’s religion as reported in the Auto Mag piece: “‘He’s determined to claim the highest office in the land--to be the first Mormon to do it. He keeps that undercover because he doesn’t want to frighten people.’”

The Post also creates inferences about Romney that seem to be debunked in the Auto Mag article. Horowitz quotes Matthew Friedemann, the most vocally harsh critic on the Lauber haircutting, in a manner inferring that Romney was a snobbish kid who owned his own car: “When Romney left the campus on weekends, he never invited him. ‘I didn’t quite fit into the social circle. I didn’t have a car when I was 16,’ Friedemann said.”

Well, neither did Romney, according to his friend Gregg Dearth in the Auto Mag article: “’Mitt didn’t get a car at sixteen--ike many Cranbrook kids did.”’ And Romney did invite classmates home on weekends, according to Maxwell--a fact once again nowhere to be found in the Post article.

The Post article briefly mentions Dearth, but not to the degree--or to the effect--in the Auto Mag article, which quotes Dearth extensively:

"With his powerful father, 'He could have been an arrogant, stuck-up, snotty little brat,' says Dearth. ‘But he was a great guy -- an all-American kid with a great sense of humor, very self-effacing.’ And although it's been documented that Romney played a teenage prank or two -- including once impersonating a police officer in order to scare some female friends -- Dearth remembers Mitt as the most straitlaced kid in the neighborhood. ‘Those of us who tested the boundaries in high school still marvel at the self-discipline he displayed,' Dearth continues. ‘With a father who was then governor, Mitt knew where the line was and never crossed it. I think it was a sign of his deep respect for his dad and the way he was brought up. I often tell people he has more integrity than anyone I know. And I was raised a Unitarian.’”

Another Post inconsistency appears through witness Stu White (emphasis added):

“I always enjoyed his pranks,” said Stu White, a popular friend of Romney’s who went on to a career as a public school teacher and said he has been “disturbed” by the Lauber incident since hearing about it several weeks ago, before being contacted by The Washington Post. “But I was not the brunt of any of his pranks.”

After nearly 50 years, Stu White only heard of the Lauber incident a few weeks before the Post contacted him for his impressions of it. Yet “investigative journalist” Jason Horowitz does not ask the basic journalistic question of “who” told Stu White of the incident--and “why” suddenly now, after 50 years. Does WaPo just dismiss this as miraculous coincidence?

Isn’t that perhaps the most crucial element to the Post story--the question of why Obama’s epic same-sex marriage announcement seemed to have been timed so precisely with someone tipping off Stu White after 50 years, and with the Post's publication of its gay-bullying hit piece on Romney? White's anonymous informant and the Post's piece seem hardly coincidental.

To summarize: two current articles based on interviews with some of the same former classmates. But they present two differing and largely inconsistent portraits, with Horowitz's Washington Post either failing to investigate, or deliberately omitting, crucial and relevant information revealed by Murray in Automobile Magazine about Romney's character in high school. It would seem that the Post’s investigative journalism standards leave much to be desired.

Update: Automobile Magazine has just put its Romney article online.

What a crock ABC is - Do your research

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http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/05/11/washington-post-makes-correction-romney-hit-piece-without-notifying-r

meanness and bullying are in the - blood

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Adverse life events usually temper this savage instinct but when you live in sheltered luxury all your life you just feel above it all. Sounds like the perfect repub candidate to jump in and slash education, aid for the elderly and minimal health care for children.

Meannes and bullying - Dems calling card

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"Adverse life events usually temper this savage instinct but when you live in sheltered luxury all your life" Obama "just feels above it all. Sounds like the perfect" democratic candidate to jump in and" lie, slash aid for the elderly through 500-mill Medicare cuts "and minimal health care for children", and making decisions for everyone else's health care and the lack thereof in DC by baby-killer Sebelius through Obamacare, all the while adding 93+ new taxes. Dems have a pretty sad agenda, and complete lack of care for the pbulic, regardless of their lying spin.


Delusional post with no respect for the truth. - nm

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