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NY district 26 goes blue.

Posted: May 24, 2011

Chris Lee bares it all in the Twitterverse. Paul Ryan gets a bit too big for his britches. A GOP double-whammy self-destruct. Oh my!

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fantastic - I saw early - tam

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last night they were trending that way. Its a relief to know there are enough people paying attention to stop the repubs in their tracks. They may have done a good job twisting reality to rattle some, but they showed their hand too soon. yeah voters!

Wow, huge surprise....red district in BLUE - state goes blue.

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a BIG deal is when NJ elects a Republican governor and Massachusetts fills Teddy Kennedy's seat with a Republican.

Just putting it in perspective.

true - really remarkable - red since Civil War - elephante

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pretty strong signal. remember when Scott Brown's election was trumpeted as a harbinger of things to come. Goose/gander, you all.

..and how long has Massachusetts been - liberal? How long did

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Teddy Kennedy hold that seat??

Scott Brown's election was a harbringer...were you absent for the midterms? Goose/gander, you all?

why change the subject - elephante

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the subject was the defeat of repubs in a district they had not lost since the Civil War! repubs did it themselves! What a great day!

Sure...I understand after the losing STATES - (not districts) in the

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midterms...winning back ONE district back to blue in a very BLUE state is a victory to get giddy over. One district does not an election make. However, multiple governorships changing hands DOES.

Enjoy it.

The difference being that - sm

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midterm election cycles do not challenge the presidency, whereas this upcoming one does. Here's the deal. The pub House majority has only been in chambers since January. They have consistently ignored jobs in favor of their social engineering obsessions (even Newt recognizes that) and have not been able to float a single financial reform initiative other than temporary budget extensions to avoid government shutdowns. The only emergency they recognize is protecting the wealthiest among us from reversal of the Bush tax cuts (cloaked in a masquerade of budget deficit concerns that seemed to escape the previous GOP administration), so much so that they are trying to gut Medicare as they have tried and failed to do so many times in the past (hard-headed bunch that they are).

This is not the only WRONG fight they picked. Can you say union busting, the aftermath of which is being played out as we speak? It has only been five short months. I just cannot wait to see how much more damage they can do to themselves between now and stump time, that is IF they can manage to come up with a candidate willing to challnge Obama in time.

I will not repeat what has already been discussed at length here this morning. It is really quite advantageous to dems that the GOP continues to downplay the significance of this bellweather race, so please, feel free to flame to your hearts content.

Exellent Message! - nm

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nm

Thank you, choir. - nm

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nm

You are preaching to the choir...they are the - only ones who believe you.

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The same quiet majority out there (disgruntled conservative Dems and Independents...mostly Independents, who make the difference in ANY race)...who made such a huge difference at midterms will make the same difference in 2012.

That is why the midterms blindsided you and why 2012 will blindside you. You did not see it coming then and you will not see it coming this time.

Feel free to flame to your heart's content.

Thats really all I need. 2008s 7.2 percent margin of victory - suits me just fine.

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Judging from the current GOP playing field, it is YOUR party who should be sweating bullets.

I am an Independent...don't have a party, so - no one tells me how I

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should think....I don't follow in rote lockstep and refuse to see what is happening because it might present either party in a bad light. You might try it some time, although it might be scary for you at first.

By the way, the historic changing of congressional seats and governorships puts your 7.2% margin of victory in the dust. And believe me...Obama will not be able to pull off the second time what he did the first time, because we all KNOW him now, we have learned not to listen to a word he says, just watch what he does. Yep, I believed him too. What a PROFOUND disappointment he turned out to be.

I am not sweating bullets at all; what will be will be. Don't know if the Republicans are sweating bullets. I am confident in one thing right now. I KNOW what he is, and I will not vote for him under any circumstances. It might be one of those years where I have to hold my nose and pull the lever, but hold my nose I will. I will NOT vote for the destruction of this country. If you want to destroy it, you are going to have to do it without me.

Have a nice day.

No one is trying to and how you vote is of no concern to me. - sm

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Neither is your buzz-riddled "independent" slam. The historical percentages do matter in 2012. It is the dems job to maintain but the opposition's to not only catch up, but to surpass. Good luck with that and I encourage you to knock yourself out trying to convince folks to cast the hate vote in the absence of a concrete plan or agenda (not to mention, visible candidate). You might consider at least trying to wait until they come up with a living breathing opponent willing to run, that is if you care anything about your own veracity when declaring your partisan independence.

Whatever victory was scored in 2010 has been long since buried under GOP bungles and boondoggles, as we can see by the results of yesterdays race, their failure to come up with any sign of viable financial or economic reforms, the state of the GOP candidate selection process and their daily flip-flops around the Ryan lithmus test (running scared from themselves). Then there are those pesky Wisconsin recalls, workers galvanizing around labor issues nationwide, rising approval ratings for Obama, war on terror victories, evidence of economic recovery, payoffs from his earlier policy initiatives, etc. The (gasp) success of GMs turnaround from the brink of bankruptcy and the fact that they have recently announced 4000 new jobs comes to mind.

In case you did not get it the first time around, I could care less how you vote, so I think we are just about done here, except to say when you are finished with your O bash and showing us how independent you are and if your feel like discussing some real issues, I am game.

A referendum on the Republican destruction of Medicare - sm

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I am sure the Republicans will come up with a new spin but, again, the Democratic candidate was 20 points behind the Republican candidate prior to the Paul Ryan budget. I wonder when the Republicans will wake up. In our state the Republicans have been saying they will not compromise on low taxes for the rich and cuts to the low-income social programs. Overnight on the news, I am now hearing they are interested in compromising. Ha!

That's exactly what it is and we won't let Republicans (Ryan) get away with it! - Proud American

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There are some fine, intelligent Republicans, but they are sure keeping a low profile these days. They are letting the clowns run what has become their circus.

Wisconsin recalls are another example of this.. - Plenty of pride to go around. nm

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nm

And Democrats are letting the far left become - the face of theirs....

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much to the detriment of the party. And to the point where people are so in denial they are following Obama's flute right into the river, and not only that, are happy about it. LOL.

I don't think President Obama is that far left - which I think is a good thing

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I'm more in the middle, which is one reason why I like President Obama.

CNBC money guy now making a lot of noise - sm

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about how Obama needs to make a bipartisan effort to solve our problems. OK. Where is that bipartisan legislation, Boehner and Ryan? The Republicans can't do everything they want, so now they are trying to change the story and blame Obama.

Not suprising... at all - no1joe

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IMO, what we're seeing now isn't just frustration with the other side, rather disappointment and mistrust of one's own political party. This combined with complacent dems finally getting off their duffs and voting plus TP candidates stealing some small percentages spells disaster for the GOP. The question now is how long is it going to take for either folks to regain their trust in the pubs and/or how long it's gonna take for dems to screw up bad enough to flip them again. Hopefully the latter doesn't happen. Also, my crystal ball says that there are some political careers that going to be over before they even really got started (insert the "too big for his britches" name here). I could be wrong... we'll see, but I think there are a few that we won't be hearing from unless Fox offers them a gig and they take it.

Anyhow, now with this particular vote over, hopefully we can STOP seeing that shirtless arm flex in the mirror pic. The eeeeewww factor is still as strong as it was when I first saw it. Bleck.

Wonder if Newts position will flip or flop today? - sm

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I would add a couple of things. With a notable exception or two (Scott Brown MA being one) the GOP does not seem to do too well in special elections. Ths current development will tend to make the Hahn (D) and Huey (R) standoff in CA 36th July 12 and the NV 2nd free-for-all Sept 13 much more interesting.

AND I find it interesting that despite all the advantages the GOP had going into this contest (particularly the tons of money trucked in from out of state and the district's lllooonnnggg history of GOP entrenchment) they still could not pull it off without a marketable agenda.

Those in the GOP who believe all they need is hate might want to sit up and take notice. Glass house delegates outta AT LEAST take a look at their own backyards from time to time.

Most of that Republican hate came from Hannity, Limbaugh, Beck, Cheney, Palin - Etc.

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This hate thing the Republican Party has going for (against) it right now has been building over the past 8-10 years. It isn't working well for them.

You would think they would have learned this in 2008. - Take two is gonna be the bomb. nm

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nm

Hate backlash - Actually, I hope not

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I hope that the voting people will have learned a little bit--like when a candidate won't tell you what their "plan" is, it means they don't have one or you won't like it.

You would have think your party would have - learned from the mid-terms

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too. Take two is gonna be the bomb!!!

Its more important voters learn from GOP massive screwups. NY26 shows - what a quick study they are. sm

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Here's something I want to show you. It will help illustrate the fallacy of your argument by backing up what YOUR party will be facing on the campaign trail.

For example, more private sector jobs had been created after just one year than during the entire eight years of the Bush administration. The data in the link below is current up to October 2010. I am sure that they will be updating this BEAUTIFUL chart in time for the campaign to reflect the ongoing slow but steady recovery.

We fully expect the GOP will try to take credit for it somehow, despite the fact that they have shown themselves over and over again to be the enemy of the working middle class and their record clearly illustrates open contempt for the unemployed, but alas, the data is iron-clad. It does not take a rocket scientist to realize the part that Obama's financial reforms played.

Bombs away!

http://veracitystew.com/2010/10/11/reality-check-more-jobs-created-under-obama-than-bush-chart/

I don't have a party so I am not driven in - desperation to defend

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as you are...lol. I just look at the facts "on the ground" as the President likes to say. The unemployment rate is still about the same as it always was, and for the last several times job creation has not been what it was predicted to be. You are going to have a tough job selling this graph on the road. The GOP does not have to take credit for anything. Your job is going to be telling those people that have been on unemployment for over 2 years that Obama was been creating all these jobs...and like...where? Where are they? Ok, for those of us who are not rocket scientists, but you obviously are, explain specifically which of Obama's financial reforms played a role.
I would love to know.

When all you can do is take potshots at the other side to try to make yourself look better, that screams desperation. You certainly don't want to go into the campaign season having to run on his job performance, believe me, I understand that. So it is full battle gear and politics of personal destruction, full throttle.

Doesn't that kind of make you feel a little dirty?

I take it you couldnt argue with the graph, its - cold hard facts.

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or the continued recovery trends. I can say that I blame you for not wanting to defend the indefensible. No problem.

Truthfully, i have tried to find out where this graph came from - Backwards Typist

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I looked at the DOL/BLS but they don't seem to match up quite right.

It is a fact that, during Bush's presidency, unemployment was 4.2 at the start,rose to 6.3 in 2003, but fell to 4.5 by July 2007, then rose to 7.2 by the end of his presidency.

A better source for the real truth is the following graphs, which not only show employment,unemployment,equipment and software investments, and more:

http://www.bls.gov/bls/commissioner_2011_05.pdf

My hope is that common sense will prevail - In Both Parties

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The Republicans have lost all sense of reality. Now my concern is that the Democrats will go on the same kind of power trip if the Republicans keep on making bad decisions and having to face the consequences of their errors. The same thing can happen to the Democrats if they get too big for their britches the way the Republicans have been doing and are still doing.

The Democrats have always been on a - power trip. They

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effectively demonstrated that by doing nothing while they had control of both houses other than pass a massive stimulus that did not do squat, and force Obamacare down the throat of the majority of Americans who did not want it. Which is why they lost so big in the midterms. Did that tell them anything? No. They are still running headlong down the path that will bankrupt us and or devalue the dollar to the point that the 20s depression will look good.

And yet, the people on this board treat them like gods on Olympus. Cannot defend that atrocity with anything other than: "Oh I think he is doing a good job, these things just take time" or "I like him." Not a one can defend that we are still running high employment and they absolutely refuse to address cutting spending in form or fashion.

But hey...it's just the country, right? Who cares if the economy totallyh tanks and the dollar loses its value, so long as Barack is in the white house.

Seriously....where did the ability to see reality go??

TParty Candidate - sm

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From what I understand Jack Davis has switched parties multiple times and probably would be considered a true independent. I think he probably took away as many votes from the Democratic candidate as he did the Republican candidate, so his candidacy is really not a factor, and I believe he got less than 10% of the vote.

I don't know who Jack Davis is, but still another presidential candidate? - How many are there going to be?

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Is this another person running as a Republican presidential candidate? I'm not familiar with him at all. I can't keep track of all of these guys they keep running.

He was a candidate in NY Dist 26. - nm

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Enjoy. I did when NJ elected a Repub gov - and a Rpub is sitting

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in Teddy Kennedy's old seat. NY is hardly a red state by any stretch. However, NJ and Mass are BLUE, BLUE, BLUE.

Not even CLOSE to the same thing. But...go ahead and crow....as you will be eating a lot of it in 2012. :-)

Ahh, but this district has not elected a dem in what? 150 years. - Cock-a-doodle doooo. nm

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nm

Ok...you get one district. The Republicans - got several states.

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Which one do you think will be most helpful in 2012?

Better crow NOW while you can. LOL.

Still determined to look backwards instead or forward? - I couldnt be more pleased

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to hear that.

I am so tired of hearing about - no1joe

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Gov. Christie. Let's face facts, if it wasn't for this country's current fascination with the "Jersey fad" (or what I call Deer Park Avenue circa 1990 minus the IROCs and Dodge Daytonas), Gov. Christie wouldn't have been able to ride its coat tails and would not be so popular. His Fat Tony "no-nonsense" style might be in vogue today, but soon Jersey Shore, -licious, -Housewives, etc., will be cancelled, and he won't be so popular... rather, out of fashion. And to think that some want him to be a pres candidate is laughable. Look at his politics (especially on abortion)... doing/promising/saying one thing and then doing the complete opposite is definitely not "a Jersey thing." Enjoy him while he's still around.

Don't know why you look at his politics - with disgust when your

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description fits Obama to a tee....doing/promising/saying one thing and doing the complete opposite.

Transparency...complete opposite and broken promise.
Not going to have lobbyists in my admin...complete opposite and broken promise.
I will be the President for all people,no Democrats, no Repoublicans, all the people....COMPLETE opposite. Will publish bills before they are voted on...complete opposite and broken promise.
Swore in oath of office to uphold and defend the Constitution - shattered promise, complete opposite.

Badddd when Christie does it....gooodddddd when Obama does it.

Do you really not see the hypocrisy in that?

By the way, I believe that NJ was just sick of Democrats and that is why they elected him. You are not giving the people of NJ much credit if you think the "jersey" fad is why they elected him their governor.

Nope... don't see any hypocrisy - no1joe

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Since I didn't bring up Obama once during my post. You're assuming that I approve. Jump to conclusions much?

Also, I didn't say that the Jersey fad is why NJ elected him. That doesn't make sense... NJers are not fascinated with themselves. Instead, the Jersey fad is what makes him popular with those who know nothing about his politics and some who want him to run for president. I just read somewhere that his approval rating is down. The Jersey thing is not gonna fly with those who elected him... they see right through that.

I've read your posts. I know you approve. - The point is...very blue

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state elected a Republican governor. Very blue state put a Republican senator in Teddy kennedy's seat. Democrats lost a lot of governorships in the midterms, historical numbers. No matter how anyone tries to spin it.

The Democrats were totally blindsided by it. Completely, totally blindsided, which shows how out of touch they are with the majority of the American people.

And they have not changed, not one iota, that I can see.

Which is why the same thing could, and probably will, happen again in 2012, and they will not understand it then either.

If you've read my posts - no1joe

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and can tell me where I have voiced my loyalty to the dems OR my unwaivering approval of Obama, I would be surprised. That's because I don't. Rather, I tend to point out the ridiculous... which has been demonstrated more by the pubs as of late. Not my fault.

Also, Christie is not the first Rep NJ gov (there was a different Christie not all that long ago in the state's timeline), and it's not all that big of a surprise. I live in a nearby blue state, and we've had rep govs here too. It depends on which side the voters are fed up with at voting time. With that being said, it's not looking too good for the GOP right now around these parts. And I've come to this conclusion not necessarily because that's what I'm hoping for, but rather from speaking to very loyal republicans who are just that... fed up (and disgusted).

I have talked with Dems AND Repubs who - are disgusted...I agree.

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but NONE of them think another Obama term is the answer. And I will be frank....I certainly hope they stay of that mind. I think another Obama term will be disastrous unless of course the Republicans took over both houses of Congress and neutered him. I could live with that.

I live in the only blue county in a very red state that went very red last election, and things have not changed. They are still disgusted and about the same things. Being marginalized and being told they are stupid and need someone to explain to them what is going on does not help. It didn't help before the midterms and it is not helping now.

People just don't buy the "Paul Ryan wants to kill Medicare" type statements anymore. They have realized, at least in this county, and the Democrats, no matter what they say, do not have the best interests of this country, or them, at heart.

I understand that things change. But the midterms were historic. A change like that, in those numbers, had not happened for many years. I think it is foolish of the Democrats to minimize that. Believe me, I wish that they had learned from it, had moved more toward the center from the far left, but they didn't. They want what THEY want, and the majority of the country be damned. And then to say publically it was just because those voters didn't understand.

Insult to injury. As evidenced also by those nutty attack the birthers t-shirts. That shows a total disconnect with we the people...at least the ones of us who helped the midterms happen.

I do respect your opinion, Joe. I look at things the way they are, I look at politicians and what they are saying, and I am not naive enough to think OR say that one party alone is responsible for the mess we are in. What I DO know is that too many years of looking the other way by BOTH parties has gotten us into the financial shape we are in, it has been let go too long and there is no easy fix like taxing the rich more or changing corporate welfare that will fix it now. It IS a time that hard decisions need to be made, and significant cuts need to be made.

Only ONE party right now is even talking about that, and it is not the admin's party.

Thanks for the conversation!

Yeserdays news. Good for disposing pungent garbage - but not much else. nm

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nm

Today's news...and same news you folks - always have....

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attack, attack, attack...and not MUCH else, nothing else. You have nothing else.

You could make it yesterday's news if you choose to...but ah...no. Gotta jump in there with a gotcha post.

Got your t-shirt yet, t-shirter?

Gov. Christie doesn't do a thing for me - Just sayin

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I've heard a few people talking about him as if he were the answer to everything. I don't think so.

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