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Posted: Sep 18, 2014

Parents of girl killed at Aurora theater suing ammunition retailers.

I bet the NRA runs to their aid.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/17/justice/colorado-theater-shooting-lawsuit/index.html

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Could be a precedent! - Cars make people drive drunk, and

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spoons made this guy fat:

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...and what people don't get is this: The bad guys are still going to get the guns, illegally, on the black market, etc. So, it won't stop the bad guys from having guns and shooting people. We good guys just won't be able to defend ourselves.

It's really air-headed to think the violent people are no longer going to get and use guns. Can we spell scrambled eggs for brains????

Maybe they should sell ammunition at the - checkout at the grocery!

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I was all outraged and ready to post my rant on the stupidity of thinking - GunOwning MT

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that stricter gun laws will protect us from the criminals and then I saw the above two posts and realized you guys got it covered!

It Is Amazing - The Lack of Logic

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Yeah, totally illogical. Maybe they look at the world through rose-colored glasses, and figure that if guns are illegal, all the people who do illegal things will have an epiphany, an awakening and all will no longer be violent and do harm.

You can betcha if someone comes after my loved one/ones with a gun in the middle of the night, I shall defend my family.

Chicago is a prime example of what you wrote. - NM

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All this talk makes me want to start packin' heat. But first to get trained of course.

Protect yourself- where does this come from - in the first place, where do you live?

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I have gone through life never having to protect myself with a weapon. Have never had one, don't want one, would probably shoot myself in the foot if I had one. I am sick and I mean sick of hearing people "I have to protect myself." Where in the world do you live that you would constantly worry about protecting yourself? I have lived in the city of over 5 million before, never felt had to take up arms and that was in the early 2000s, now live in a smaller town of over 25,000 and still not armed. Against the law in Japan for people to own guns, should be the same in the US, cut down on all these unnecessary murders going on. Ridiculous, protect myself.

Just a Precaution - see msg

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I've never had to use my weapon, and I don't live in a high-crime area, but you are in la-la land if you think someone couldn't barge into your house in the middle of the night. Have you never read a news story of someone breaking into someone's house while they're home????

And I don't "constantly" worry about it. I just know the threat is out there. I'd worry more if I didn't have a means to protect myself and/or my family. I actually sleep quite well at night knowing I am protected.

And I go back to the points mentioned: Just because something is against the law, doesn't mean the criminals are going to obey the law. I don't know anything about Japan, but they don't have a high rate of crime in Japan, so they simply don't have to worry about a black-market gun ring. But you are in the U.S., and you do have to worry that the bad guys will still get the guns.

I look at it as a little insurance. I have life insurance, home insurance and car insurance. It doesn't mean I expect to have to use it, but it sure does give me some peace of mind.

Sounds like you are scared of your own shadow - and well known fact

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people who are armed and broken in on lot of times wind up having their own weapon(s) used against them. We are living in a shoot em up type of world and if a person does not think murders have increased (along with "having to protect yourself" with increase in guns packed by most everyone) then they are living in la-la land. In 1996 Australia had shooting with 35 being killed. They passed stricter gun control and the deaths dropped dramatically and get this, NEVER again another mass shooting. America should get some sense instead of all this "we need to protect ourselves."

Guns - My take on this

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I feel extremely safe each night because hubby and I sleep in the same room as a little dog who barks at anyone and anything that comes through the door. Hubby does keep loaded guns too, which is his idea, not mine. Between the gun and the dog, no boogeyman is going to get us.

It's a much scarier world than you think - where do you live?

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I'll give you an example. Grew up in a small little town of about 5K. Very nice area, quiet, picturesque. In summers we left our doors open at night, keys in the ignition of our cars. Very very safe place.

In this present time it is no longer safe. More and more crime is happening. Nobody leaves their doors unlocked, let alone open or keys in the ignition. Had the first murder in our little town back in the 80s. Girl was abducted and murdered. Very very sad.

Times are changing. More crime everywhere. Count yourself lucky that you have never had to protect yourself. I didn't growing up. Now adays I and many others do.

As much as you are "sick of hearing people "I have to protect myself."" we are sick of hearing the other side trying to make it sound like we are crazy if we want to protect ourselves. Times are changing, people have changed. Its a fact and people need to respect that others want/need to protect themselves.

What I find ridiculous is the people who are not aware of the changing times, unaware that every time we read or listen to the news there is a school shooting, a student abducted, a robbery at a convenience store or other establishment, home invasions, gangs beating up people, etc, etc, etc.

Thank goodness you don't make the laws. Japan's culture is much different than ours. In case you didn't realize this the second amendment that allows all citizens the right to bear arms. It was written for a purpose. If you prefer Japan's laws and not America's laws then I'm not sure why you are living here.

Assumptions- no one said I preferred Japan's laws - Australia also passed an extremely strong law

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Why cannot someone give an example without someone saying you "prefer" something? I tell you where I lived for years and years in a city that had over four million people and never felt like I had to arm myself. Moved to where I live now (nearly 26,000) in 2004, again not feeling the need to go get a holster. I keep up with all news, probably more than most. Living in the city in the early 2000s I never had an unlocked door, double bolt locks, in fact. Have never been stupid enough to leave keys in an ignition, that would be dumb on my part. I hope with all the slaughter going on in the US today someday someone will come to their senses and pass laws taking some of the guns out of commission. I say kudos to Australia for their having the common sense to pass strong gun law after a slaughter there. This was probably 20-30 years ago or more and never had another slaughter since then. Would it not be nice if the US could say the same? Anyone who thinks differently is nuts.

No assumptions - The key word was "if" - sm

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There are laws in this country for a reason. I didn't say that you preferred...I said "if" you prefer.

Well that's good for you that you feel like you don't need to "arm yourself", however, you are in the minority. Many sites talk about this issue. Most people who live in a large city do feel they need to be safe and want to "protect themselves". It's called protecting yourself and in today's day and age in this country it is wise. In Oklahoma a woman home alone saved herself and her baby's life because she had a gun and used it to protect their lives against an intruder that came into her home and after them. In Georgia another woman was hiding with her children and shot an intruder who came into their home. In Georgia a quick thinking college student shot an killed one of two masked men who broke into an apartment with the intent to rape and murder the people there. There was a college girl getting beat up and in the midst of being raped when someone with a gun came and protected her. There are literally thousands of cases of people whose lives were saved because there were responsible gun owners and knew how to protect themselves and those around them. When an intruder is coming after you in your home do you actually think they will not harm you if you ask them politely or use harsh language.

Strong gun laws are only good if the criminals abide by them too (sorry, that ain't going to happen in this country). You seem to want to focus on Japan and Australia (by the way, in Japan not all guns are illegal, but again the Japanese culture is much different than America's culture). Same with Australia. It is not illegal to own a gun in Australia. But now lets talk about England. Crime rates have risen since they took away guns. More home invasions, more violent crimes. We can talk statistics if you would like, but I'm sure I know the answer to that.

Statistics show that gun control will not prevent crime. Maybe you should put a sign outside your door to announce that you do not own any guns and see how safe you feel then. That's basically what will happen if the idiots are allowed to confiscate everyone's guns.

People have the right to protect themselves. A gun is the best way, especially when someone is breaking into your home for the intent on raping, torturing and murdering someone. Sometimes harsh language just doesn't work.

"We have the right to self-defense. Criminals with the intent to commit a violent crime will not consider the laws in place to legally obtain a weapon. Keeping this thought in mind, saying that the people do not have the right to bear arms is equivalent to saying that people have no right to protect themselves."

"The Second Amendment was enacted to give citizens the right to protect themselves from an expansive world empire that was beaten by a rag-tag group of colonies. In this day and age, one does not fear the redcoats kicking in one’s door, but protection and self-defense are still the top reasons for gun ownership in America.

Exact numbers for the use of firearms as a crime deterrent are hard to come by. Much of the research has been the work of Dr. Gary Kleck, a Florida State University criminologist. According to Kleck, guns are used in self-defense about 2 million times a year, which is once every 13 seconds. Compare that with the estimated 600,000 violent crimes committed with guns every year and it would seem that firearms help prevent four times as many crimes as they are used to commit."

"Maybe the reason we are so safe is that we are all armed. I have a Shepard and a Rottweiler that protect my home, if for some reason they fail me I have a 9mm and my shotgun for backup. I dont know what the big deal about owning a gun is, to me it is my right as an American. My guns dont leave my home, unless I am going to the range to practice. They do help me sleep better at night."

"How else would you protect yourself, friends or family if they were in grave danger. The cops cant always protect you from becoming a victim, most of time they are responding to what has already occurred. What do Australians do when they are held up by a couple guys who want some money for drugs and decide that your wife would look better in their arms? As an American, my right to carry a weapon helps put me on a level playing field with the criminals, rather than just trusting the thugs not to harm myself or anyone I care about."

"Police in the United States are not obligated to protect citizens from all crime. There is no way the police can be responsible for all violent crimes, and there is no obligation to be everyone's personal bodyguard. In fact, a Supreme Court case decided the police are not and cannot be expected to protect everyone all the time. Therefore, guns are one option among many for individuals to protect themselves in the absence of the police. Each citizen is responsible for his or her own safety."

http://www.debate.org/opinions/in-todays-society-should-people-have-a-right-to-bear-arms-to-protect-themselves-and-their-property

http://www.clarkcollegeindependent.com/opinion/people-have-the-right-to-protect-themselves/

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080422225140AA2RyHt

Anyone can tell about the pros and cons of - guns, me too, no changing mind here

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Just watch TV program last night. The man always carried his gun around in his car, always. The same gun was used to murder the gun, so see it can work both ways, what you describe and the same goes for what I can describe. Bottom line, never changing my mind here and think the US should eventually get some sense and make some extremely strict gun laws. Bet you own a pit bull also, right?

So what is the big deal about registering guns? - sm

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Guns are very dangerous, meant to kill. Even cars and drivers are licensed. What is scary about that? Driver's have to prove they can see, do not have seizures and can pass a skills test. Cars are registered to trace ownership. Cars and drivers are dangerous, guns are dangerous. I would imagine that it would be a difficult task to register/license cars and drivers if the system was not in place for a long time. If you are so scared of a criminal that you need to protect yourself, you could just prove you are not nuts and register your guns. Where is the problem?

Here is the problem..... - Laura

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For decades, there has been talk about making owning a gun illegal. So far, I have never heard anyone say that cars should be illegal. If guns are registered, it follows that if somehow guns are made illegal, there will be a record of who has one. It then follows that since no one ever talks about taking our cars away, who cares about registering your car. I believe that "registering" a car or licensing was simply a means to collect a tax - and probably only later realized that the license plate could be a source of identification. Registering guns again will only be done by honest citizens - the criminals will not register their guns. Criminals don't pay attention to license plates for cars either - just swap the plate or swap the car -

Car ownership/use versus gun ownership/ - restrictions

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Very rarely is gun ownership a daily necessity. If we would like to travel by bus, bicycle and foot, I suppose this would be a slightly reasonable comparison. There are required tests and registrations to drive a car, even insurance to cover the other guy. To argue that the criminals don't do it, thereby there should be no law, produces a completely lawless society--especially when applied to all the laws in the society--well why not?

The problem with the comparison is the occasional need of a gun (for some) by comparison to the average need (for most) of a car. I do know some that get by just fine without cars, particularly in cities. Also, this comparison gets really odd when comparing the intended violence rate of users of guns versus cars. (of course, there are sporting events for both which is a small percentage for both, and I even believe when comparing stats for intentional car death versus intentional firearm death, that would be very small for the car use; and even in the sporting event category, less deaths in sporting events for cars versus fire range/gun show activity.

"Statistics show that when there is a gun in a home, that gun is more likely to be used on a member of the household than on an intruder. Indeed, Adam Lanza´s mother´s legally purchased semi-automatic guns were first used on her before they were used on 20 children and 6 adults at Sandy Hook Elementary School, and later on Adam Lanza himself. Approximately 30,000 people every year die from gunshot wounds – the second leading cause of death from injury after motor vehicle crashes. This includes but is not limited to gun murders. Only a small number of these deaths are due to accidents."

"What happened in Scotland and Australia was that a mass murder was followed by a tightening of gun laws. The Australian government bought back more than 630,000 weapons, and the British government took tens of thousands of guns off the streets with a similar program. This makes the buyback programs in LA and San Diego pale by comparison.

The result was less gun violence in general which is a good thing although a determined mass murderer could probably do the same thing again despite increased gun control. This is the lesson I [John] draw from what happened in Scotland and Australia and now in Switzerland where these acts of mass murder are really an anomaly in terms of the overall level of gun violence which is really low. The lesson for the U.S. is the same. Increased gun control may not prevent the next mass murder although it should make it less likely, but it should decrease total gun violence in general."

http://sandiegofreepress.org/2013/01/some-factual-gun-statistics-part-2-of-a-cultural-comparison-gun-violence-in-the-us-and-europe/#.VB186Vf-Q0l

Research about what Australia did regarding - registering guns in 1960s

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Had mass shooting, killing 35, passed stricter gun laws, never another incident like that since the 60s. Amazing!

Hardly seems like a real threat. - sm

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I do not know anyone who wants to take away your guns. That is just a myth propagated by the NRA. Certainly there are some tree-hugger types or people who have lost someone close to them due to gun accidents, suicide or homicide, but no one is coming to get your guns. We have several guns in our family for hunting or emergency purposes (taking care of a rabid skunk or coyote) but the ammo is never stored with the gun.

It would not bother me in the least to have to get a license and register the guns. I think it would be great proof in case I was robbed. I think guns, just like cars, should be kept away from alcoholics and those with suicidal or homicidal tendencies. I think a household should have a very simple "test" that identifies how guns and ammo should be stored away from children. I do not think a child less than 14 should have any access to a gun and should be required gun safety training. Licensing and registering is a whole lot better than doing nothing.

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