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Sandra Bland

Posted: Jul 27, 2015

I am not too sympathetic. She was rude to the officer. I was taught to respect authority, be it teachers, police, etc. I know that some cops are bullies. In the way back, boys with long hair were routinely pulled over just because of their appearance. It was not fair, but each incidence did not warrant a media event. I was with my bf and we were arrested and put in the cruiser. They treated us rudely and told us we could not speak to each other. My BF was frisked and handled roughly. It was not pleasant, but I suffered no emotional trauma. (BTW it was for driving in a parking lot to learn a stick). Most people are aware the more pleasant and cooperative you are with the officer being stopped, the better your chance is to get off with a warning. The final determination was suicide, not murder. It seems to me that people are taking these types of situations to act out and maybe get a chance to sue somebody. Being polite makes things a lot easier. This is not to deny that Blacks are treated unfairly. Just in this particular case . . . . Now there is talk about training officers to tolerate hostile behavior and uncooperativeness because they need to "understand" the rage and frustration?

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She's dead and not too sympathetic, huh? - DEAD

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not even a slight comparison

lack of insight - Jen

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The police can and do stop drivers of all varieties for minor things like rolling through a stop sign, etc. If she had accepted the responsibility and taken her ticket or warning, she might be working at her new job today. She showed astounding lack of insight on the phone call to friend "I don't know how I got here from changing lanes." She believed she was entitled to be belligerent and rude - "no I wont put out my cigarette" - "no I won't get out of the vehicle" (3 times!) Obviously she had no impulse control to escalate like that and then be so frustrated to hang herself over such a minor inconvenience that SHE BROUGHT ON HERSELF. I am sorry she overreacted. I am saddened by the unnecessary tragedy of her death, but cases like this trivialize the real monstrosities like Travon and the man who was chased from his vehicle and shot. If I were to go to the BMV and stand in line and become frustrated at the wait and hang myself with the velvet rope provided to keep people in line, should my entire extended family put on their Sunday best and appear on the Today Show and grimly suggest the BMV should be investigated?

If she had just said "yes sir"/"no sir", thank - you--racism would just vanish

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What you don't seem to understand---AND I HAVE PLENTY OF INSIGHT---

is that if a white lady had mouthed off to him, he probably would have shook his head and:
1. Handed her her ticket/warning and left.
2. It would have kicked in that you don't hit a woman, because he probably was raised THAT way.
3. And he would not have treated her like an animal.

Some more insight - sm

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Bland’s death earlier this month is shining a national spotlight on a small corner of Texas that was already facing an uncomfortable struggle to come to terms with an ugly history of racism. Lynchings were once rampant in Waller County. And as recently as 2004, Mathis’s predecessor was arguing that students at historically black Prairie View A&M University did not have the right to vote locally.

We’re trying to get rid of a lot of those vestiges of the Old South that are negative.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/ugly-history-of-racism-dogs-texas-county-where-sandra-bland-died/2015/07/27/e69ac168-3317-11e5-8353-1215475949f4_story.html

lack of insight-Jen - What BS

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Miss Bland accepted her ticket.
The POS officer decided that she looked irritated and further escalated the situation for no valid reason whatsoever. He deserved everything she said to him and then some. He was belligerent and rude and unprofessional, all of which anyone with an ounce of decency could see and hear (even that Trump character acknowledged that). He should have just left after the bogus stop of the out-of-state car being driven by a lone black female, and accomplishing what he intended. But, he was spoiling for an altercation.
Why should she have to put out a cigarette in her own car?
Why was she arrested for failure to signal? Or being irritated?
SHE BROUGHT NONE OF THIS ON HERSELF!
She did not commit suicide.
She was murdered before she could get her day in court.
Hopefully, she will get justice in death.

YES, agreed your lack of insight is Bull$#! - nm

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nm

I am not sympathetic at all. - Lm

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Dead as a result of failing to turn on traffic signal? - !!!!

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Well, I watched the video. I saw the woman putting out her cigarette. She was not in the least belligerent, she was on her way to an interview and like me, when stopped by a cop on the highway, you become a nervous wreck and the only thought is getting back to what you were doing without a million dollar ticket.

"you are about to break my wrist."

She said this before her voice was muffled by having her face smasked into the ground.

She died as a result of being arrested for a minor violation. She was murdered to cover up the arrest and subsequent events over 3 days - THREE DAYS - in jail.

You are an unbelievably cruel and an affront to all rational people. Especially when the cops are brutalizing people on videos that number in the thousands on Youtube.

Comply or die? Is that your motto? You embarrass me as a human being but more than that, as a person who works in the medical industry.

Sorry to inform you - sm

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Sadly, she's dead because she chose to take her own life.

Truth.

I cannot agree with your post MORE - It sickens me to listen

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to this line of thought. Always blaming the victim for everything. I would wonder if it were their own relative, child, sibling, spouse, if they would still feel this way.

What if she were intoxicated or mentally challenged and didn't comply, and happened to be black and he racist. Would it be okay to have treated her this way then?

Where exactly is the line for these people?

I have felt that push from a cop from behind before also. The thought process is, "I know I am not doing anything wrong, so I will get out of his way as swiftly as possible so he can go about his business (because I have a very deeply rooted respect for authority) and I can easily see not turning on the turn signal.

He is a racist and they killed her.

I will not believe anything else. I have seen the video. They will be doing everything necessary to cover this up and will probably succeed.

BUT, the rationale amongst us in the free nation KNOW that she did not kill herself, which leaves they killed her. I haven't the slightest idea how they did it OR if they did it on purpose, but they did it.

I agree with everything you said - sm

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It's hard to believe that people can possibly believe this woman killed herself under these circumstances, and as another poster above mentioned, if this woman had been white this officer would NEVER have brutally treated her like an ANIMAL the way he did poor Sandra Bland. I'm outraged that the murderer or murderers will most likely get away with this due to all the racists who are involved in the "investigation."

I am LM. Lm is not me. - LM

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Just so you know.

Had enough yet? - sm

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The family and friends of Rexdale Henry, a Native American activist, are comparing his mysterious in-custody death in Mississippi to that of Sandra Bland, the black woman who died in a Texas jail, the Jackson Free Press reports.

“At a time when the nation is focused on the terrible circumstances of the brutal death of Sandra Bland, it is critical to expose the many ways in which black Americans, Native Americans and other minorities are being arrested for minor charges and end up dead in jail cells,” Syracuse University law professor Janis McDonald, who has been working with Henry’s family, told the news site.

http://www.theroot.com/articles/news/2015/07/native_american_activist_died_in_jail_a_day_after_sandra_bland.html

Maybe now? - sm

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Cincinnati Police officials said Tensing shot and killed Dubose after pulling his vehicle over in Mount Auburn. What exactly led Tensing to fire his weapon is still unclear. An incident report released last week stated Tensing was "dragged" by Dubose's vehicle.

Black said he hasn’t seen the video but that his understanding is the video “is not good.”
http://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/hamilton-county/cincinnati/city-university-of-cincinnati-official-meet-with-faith-leaders-to-discuss-deadly-police-shooting

and a little insight as to the tension - sm

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Yeah, that's right, a birthday party.

http://www.alternet.org/armed-confederate-supporters-interrupt-black-childs-birthday-party-racial-slurs-death-threats

Oh look, another one - see link

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http://www.ktbs.com/story/29627660/fbi-to-investigate-texarkana-inmates-death

12:00 prosecutor statement -- release of body cam? - why not earlier?

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They say this is a very tense situation. The University of Cincinnati campus has been evacuated in anticipation of Grand Jury announcement.

http://www.local12.com/news/features/top-stories/stories/Grand-Jury-meets-for-Debose-shooting-177294.shtml

Hamilton County Prosecutor states "He never - should have been a police officer."

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maybe a second between pulling his gun and shooting him DuBose in the head.

Officer indicted for murder - nm

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More--and this is getting weird - sm

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On Monday morning, police in Mount Vernon, New York discovered a 44-year-old woman dead in her cell. She is the fifth black woman, at least, to die behind bars this month.

According to Mayor Earnest Davis, Raynetta Turner was arrested and locked in a holding cell Saturday afternoon on shoplifting charges. Some time after her arrest, Turner informed Westchester County police that she had numerous medical problems, and was eventually brought to Montefiore-Mount Vernon Hospital Sunday evening. She returned to the holding cell briefly that night, before she was taken for fingerprinting at 2 a.m. She was found dead 12 hours later.

The mayor has since explained that Turner’s medical history included hypertension and bariatric surgery. No official cause of death has been determined.

But her death follows at least four other deaths of black women in police custody since July 13, shining an even brighter spotlight on the plight of black women in the criminal justice system and fueling the Black Lives Matter movement. On that date, Sandra Bland was found hanging in her cell, three days after she was violently stopped for failing to signal a lane change in Waller County, Texas. The next day, 18-year-old Kindra Chapman committed suicide in an Alabama prison. She was arrested for stealing a cell phone. Joyce Curnell was arrested on shoplifting charges and found dead in her cell on July 24. On July 26, officers found Ralkina Jones dead in the Cleveland Heights City Jail, two days after she was arrested for a physical dispute with her husband. Like Turner, she was brought to a medical facility after a staff member observed Jones was lethargic — then returned to the jail. Prison officials say they conducted several check ups on the night she returned, but found her unresponsive around 7:30 the next morning. An investigation is currently under way.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/07/28/3685435/fourth-black-woman-found-dead-jail-cell-since-mid-july/

I know how to stop all these suspicous - murders of jailed blacks

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How about not being arrested in the first place? That would put an immediate end to that.

I'm just sick of the race baiting. - Truth

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Sure, some cops are abusive, have anger issues and shouldn't BE cops but it's not always about race. Cases of police brutality should be handled and covered case by case. Yes, some involve racial profiling, no one disputes that, but to automatically assume every case of brutality is racist is stupid. My sister-in-law was driving home from Florida to New Jersey and was stopped in South Carolina, at night, by a cop because "she was driving through his town and he wanted to see who she was." My SIL is white as was the cop. I just don't see how crying race for everything that happens is going to fix the problem and, yes, there is a very real problem of racism in this country.

Xactly - jen

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Very few deny there is racism deeply ingrained in this nation. To turn every single case into a conspiracy about murder blah blah blah, just dilutes the outcry about true incidents. If someone asks you to put out your cigarette you do. It's called manners and it doesn't matter if it is an officer or a little old lady with tubes up her nose. Common courtesy. Sandra was trying to "win" in her confrontation and it was a very ignorant move. She didn't DIE because she changed lanes without signaling. She died because she hung herself.

If you watched the arrest video - sm

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you would see that he pulled over a young white girl for speeding just before he pulled over Ms. Bland and he just gave her a warning. When he pulled over Ms. Bland he immediately asked for her license and insurance (for failure to signal!!!!! NOT speeding!!!!!) He said after the arrest that he was just going to give her a warning, but that's not likely true. She was polite with him up until he asked her if she was irritated. The race baiting occurred at that stop via the cop. He wanted to hear her cowtow to him when he asked her if she was irritated, but instead, she told him that she WAS irritated because he sped up behind her and she changed lanes to get out of the way and he pulled her over for it. I think ANYONE would have been irritated about that. But because she didn't say "oh no officer, everything is just peachy, I just love getting tickets when police practically force me to commit the infraction" he took it up a notch by suggesting again that he had power over her by asking her to put out her cigarette. It's not against the law to say no. So then he demanded her to step out of the car. It is not illegal to refuse. Everything he did to her on that stop was about demonstrating his power over her and forcing her out of her car was illegal. He lied to the other officer about how she broke her wrist. Ms. Bland DID start taunting him after he brutally arrested her saying "Does this make you feel good about yourself?" and some other things not fit to post, but in my opinion she was absolutely right about him. She was saying "I can't wait to get this into court." And had she been able to testify, I'm sure she would have had a great case. I hope her family does sue the pants off everyone involved in her murder.

that just proves my point - jen

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I cant wait to get this into court -- so I can get my 15 minutes of fame and a big cash settlement. Do not fear, I am certain her family is deciding who has the deepest pockets so they can sue.
They will lose.

She said that because what he did to her was illegal! - nm

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conjecture - whatshewas

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thinking. I think she was baiting him all along with the body language and refusal to cooperate. Statement about court just a continuation of that baiting. Not the protest of an injured party but rather still trying to get the last word/upper hand.

I hope you're saying what you said was conjecture - because what I said was true sm

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what he did was illegal. She was polite with him until he exceeded his authority.

So let me ask this one little logical question then - sm

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If Ms. Bland was baiting this cop so that she could get her 15 minutes of fame and a cash settlement, according to you, then she got what she wanted when she was arrested. It was an illegal arrest. She had a good case for a lawsuit. If this was her plan all along, shouldn't she have been excited about that? Why kill yourself when you've got all that going on?

There's a flaw in the so-called logic that people are using to sweep this under the rug.

flaw in one little logical question - F Lee

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Suicide is never the solution to a temporary problem. Why she hung herself probably will never be known. Cant apply logic to an irrational action.

If she was trying to get arrested - she got what she wanted sm

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so what was the problem? I don't think she killed herself. Those that think she provoked the incident think she killed herself; that is what is illogical.

I suppose she could have told him what - she thought of him personally

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most of us resort to "legal" issues to try to keep things less personal when we are really angry. She was already angry and he didn't care, so throwing in some legal aspects might have gotten attention, but he was TOO STUPID to stop his behavior.

So, in other words, as I've acknolwedged, some cops shouldn't - Truth

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be cops and some cops do commit racial profiling. This was one example. However, not every incident is a case of racial profiling or police brutality based on racism. If every single incident is labeled racist, soon it becomes a dilute issue and accomplishes nothing. This is exactly why I said it should be taken case by case. This happened to be one of those incidents in which the cop was far more forceful than necessary and, in my opinion, is guilty of racial profiling.

When pulling someone over, the first thing an officer does is - Truthhurts

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ask for their license and insurance. It is illegal to change lanes without signaling. Haven't you ever been pulled over by a cop? If not, you're one of the lucky few.

You and others are just trying to excuse Ms. Bland's attitude. Right away she got huffy and arrogant with the officer, which he kept his calm for a bit, even saying 'please' after requesting her to put out her cigarette first, and then a second or third time, while she argued she didn't have to do anything because she was in her car.

When he asked her to step out of the car, she also refused a couple times.

BTW, one of the posters stated he dragged her out the window. That's an out-and-out LIE.

The only thing the cop did wrong was not wait for backup when she got belligerent with him.

As for her hanging herself, it is a possibility. Maybe she thought she would do this as a way to get attention and she could cry police brutality and accelerate herself to the lawsuit dept., but it backfired because there was really no one else around...even the jail video shows that they make their rounds but don't sit outside a cell 24/7.

Then why didn't he ask the white girl he - pulled over before her sm

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for her license and insurance? I mean, if that's what they always do? The answer is because she's white and he was just going to give her a warning. If he REALLY only intended to give Ms. Bland a warning, he would also not have asked her for her license and insurance. But of course she's black so he has to check for outstanding warrants (sarc).

I am not trying to excuse her attitude, but she was actually polite to him until he asked her if she was irritated, and even when she answered him she just answered honestly, and not with a bad attitude. Then he says "are you done?" with his own attitude, and she said "you asked me if I was irritated, I answered you, yeah, I'm done." When he tried to push her a little harder when he asked her to put out her cigarette, SHE BROKE NO LAW by saying "I'm in my own car, why do I have to put out my cigarette?" She was within her rights. She was within her rights to refuse to step out of the vehicle. She committed a traffic violation. They don't arrest you for that, so she was not resisting arrest. He can't arrest her for resisting arrest for a traffic violation. The ONLY way that this was not an illegal search and assault committed by that cop is if there were any drugs or other contraband in the car and he had "probable cause." I haven't heard anything like that.

This was just a demonstration of power on the part of this cop that got out of hand and now it's being covered up by her death. With a good attorney and non-racist judge and jury (if that's possible) her family should definitely win a civil suit for wrongful arrest and wrongful death.

BTW, I'm white and I'm totally sickened by the double-standard and the way white folks like some of you posters can just turn your head and look the other way when PEOPLE are being treated like ANIMALS. I absolutely KNOW some of you will shake your heads when you read this and say to yourselves "well they act like animals" all the while feeling superior.

TRUTH

if it had been some - gal

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with black roots and blonde hair, Daisy Dukes and tattoos on her knuckles, it would never even have made the news. Just the locals saying "Yeesh what a stupid chick to defy requests from a cop." If the exact incident happened to me, my parents would be on the news saying they were totally ashamed of me and that I had been raised better than that.
Your final assumption is also in error. You are just as guilty of profiling if you believe everyone who does not agree with you is a flaming racist who feels superior to the truly downtrodden, but not for a woman with an obvious chip on her shoulder.

if that had been the case... - sm

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1. It wouldn't have made the news because he would not have escalated this with a white gal.

2. This wouldn't have happened to you (see number 1).

3. I am not guilty of profiling... I didn't say everyone who doesn't agree with me was a racist or feeling superior, just that SOME definitely would think that to themselves. I have no way to prove that, but I'm pretty sure SOME people thought exactly that when they read my post.

4. Ms. Bland did not have an "obvious" chip on her shoulder. She was polite with him until he started to play the power cards.

5. It's laughable that you talk about her having a chip on her shoulder when you've certainly never been harassed by a cop just because you were black. I'd like to see your attitude if the tables were turned.

You are saying - that

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1. No white person has ever been arrested for mouthing off to an officer? I am sure it would have escalated with anyone who disobeyed a direct order from a police officer.
2. Yes, it HAS happened to me. I have been treated extremely unfairly by a cop. Didn't like it, got over it. Knew better to challenge him.
4. If she was asked to put her cigarette out and refused, she DID have a chip on her shoulder. All this talk about it was her RIGHT to smoke her cigarette is a different issue. You choose your action and accept the consequences. She knew she was being hostile.
4. I cannot imagine being black and having to deal with all the racist stuff daily, but I know I would be smart enough to put my cigarette out and exit the vehicle. If you overreact to every slight or aggravation in a day, you have a problem. Unless you think you can use the issue to be on the teevee.

Completely agree. - LmL

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When I was a teenager, parked in my car with my boyfriend, a cop pulled up to check on us. He requested that we both face forward, place our hands on our laps. We did so without an argument. I mean, you either obey the cop or you don't, but don't cry if you choose not to obey and there are consequences. It's going to get to the point we we're going to be so PC that everyone is given carte blanche to act like a thug.

who says such a thing - to a cop

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if they are not planning on taking advantage of current attention by media.

You hit the nail on the head. - sm

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They are emboldened by the racism that has flared up in this country since BO made it the issue du jour. His legacy will not only be that he is worst president in the history of the country, but also the biggest bigot on the planet. Yes, he is transparent in this regard.

Yeah, how dare THEY expect to be treated - like white people

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He provoked her with the "are you finished?" sass. And then provoked with demanding she put out her cigarette, when it had nothing to do with the traffic stop or anything but his empowerment over her personal space and life.

I suppose next we are going to decide she is lucky she wasn't shot on the spot, I'm sure he feared for his life at some point in this traffic stop.

He never demanded she put out her cigarette - which video were you watching

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He asked her as nicely as he could would she please put out her cigarette. To say demanded is just bunk.

He demands by his condescending nature - Are you finished?

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as though her statements are some process that he has to endure and have no validity, even though he just asked her (which, of course, he meant as a statement for her to shut up and take it, not really respond, but she did respond, so that ticked him off too). Then he "asks" her to put out her cigarette. Yeah, right. Just another power play in the whole situation.

Demeaning, degrading, devaluing treatment the whole way...and as it is said "We're not going to take it....anymore."

No doubt, a few people are going to get hurt in the process, and I hope they live to fight another day. But there usually isn't meaningful change without some sacrifice.

Strange how we both see the video and have such a - different view

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I saw a police man say please when asking her to put out her cigarette. Demeaning, degrading? Where in the world does that come from? Maybe if stopped for whatever reason people could take a breath and just respond with no and yes and then doubt seriously would ever having gotten to the point of Miss Mouthy winding up in jail. Others should try it sometimes, works so well. I have been stopped and ticketed at least 5 or 6 times and never thought to ever talk back, never. There are more of them than me and never would I start running, never get mouthy and here I am all these years later, no problem. Oh, never jailed either.

I guess you think it is okay to demand people - take "their" place in society

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and not talk back to the "man."

I believe in equality, dignity and respect.

Maybe since it was a nonsense stop to begin with, he could have begun with, did you think I was trying to get past you, so you were getting out of my way? You do know that you need to use a turn signal and that it is sort of a muddy situation as to whether I was on an emergency and you were getting out of the way or if you were changing lanes without signaling illegally.

I would never talk back to a policeman, not me - wuold not care if they were black,white

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This is a conversation I just had with a young Hispanic girl who just got her license. She said stopped by a policeman who apparently watches where she lives, maybe profiling? Who knows about that. What I do know is I tried to tell her more them than her, does no good to get huffy with them. I think she decided to talk back, thinking they were against her. It only does her no good. She wanted to get bent all out of shape for his stopping her. I think black/white can look at the video and see the actuality of how it went down. So in answer to your posting, no I never talk back. I show respect.

Dubose in Cincinnati didn't talk back, shot - in the head-dead

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he was guilty of maybe being ineffective and not so bright...but dead nonetheless.

Never heard of the case - n/m

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Today's indictment of Univ of Cincinnati - police officer

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2 of 3 major cable news outlets covered it, at least, and have it on repeat. I don't know about the other "one."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/sandra-bland-arrest-transcript_55b03a88e4b0a9b94853b1f1

Just saw a case, man stopped and being asked repeatedy - about license, only to pull off

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is that the one? Am not saying should not have been shot but really, never to produce your license and then pull off, same as running? No one sees a thing wrong with this? OMG.

Watch video very carefully--he did not pull - off--he was shot and car left

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The prosecutor says that his body slumped into the gas pedal.

The Police officer has been indicted for murder.

I think it probably would have ended better - if the license had been handed over

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But again, go up against the "man" as someone else said. Dead end literally.

This thinking amazes me--people with poor - judgment should be killed by police?

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Most everyone is a bit adrenalized when pulled over. Anyone can have poor judgment. Perhaps they aren't the sharpest tack in the box to begin with.

Driver's test just isn't that hard. No degree necessary. No particular etiquette need be achieved. No socialization either.

Apparently not required for the police department either.

Do we hire policemen to eliminate these people?

just a serendipitious byproduct - Smart

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Schools should add to the curriculum. Right after the children receive their free lunches, but right before the session on properly applying a condom, they are taught that when a police officer tells you to do something it is not optional. Maybe a few practice sessions.

When the thoughts deteriorate to this--there - is no logical response

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but disgust.

$1 million bond - sm

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Cop Tensing murders Dubose and bonds out! - sm

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new video claiming he was dragged. I don't see it, and watched the first video in depth, specifically when he put his arm in the car and then he shot the man, and he fell backwards on his butt. He wasn't dragged, and I think he was lucky he didn't shoot his own arm.

And now he wants his job back--must be legal - posturing--if he is confident

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enough to ask for his job back, he must not have done anything wrong. Build it and they will come. Say it and they will believe it.

I just saw an older video of her. - SM

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It appears to me that she was a typical big-mouthed drama queen.

Umm, how many of us are typical - big-mouthed drama queens?

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You say that like case closed, that's reason enough she ended up dead.

Really?

The point is she did nothing illegal except not signaling. That's it. She should NOT have been arrested. He just did that because he wanted to show her who was boss.

If anyone thinks his behavior was justified, that is why this keeps happening and people keep blaming the victim. His behavior was abhorrent and not befitting an officer of the law.

big mouthed - drama queen

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Not me. I try to be polite and cordial to everyone. I do agree with previous poster that there is a certain subtype very prevalent on reality shows and in real life of big-mouthed, dumb, pushy, angry drama queens. I am all for self-respect but think the current attitude of I am beautiful and deserve the best of everything comes without anything such as accomplishment and effort and therefore is just bravado and empty words.

This person was NOT a drama queen - reaction to that kind of authoritarian nastiness

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Without ANY reason except wanting to be dominant over her probably made her react that way, and there was absolutely nothing wrong with how she reacted!

I am a very shy and considerate person, but had I been pulled over by that cop and treated in that manner, I see nothing wrong with her behavior AT ALL and think I may have acted similarly.

Why should we kiss their behinds just because they are cops? How do you think we got into this situation where they think they are beyond the law themselves?

If I thought I could get out of a 200, 300 or more - ticket what I would do

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Kiss their behind, just show me where. Had a tax guy to show up at my front door one time saying I owed thousands and I mean thousands due a job run from my home but one I was not involved in day to day business. I did everything imaginable in trying to relieve me of owing that money, found out we graduated same year, pulled out old pictures of school, his car got stuck in my driveway, no way to leave, heck I called a mechanic close by and paid for his car getting started, etc. Yep, you could call it kissing his behind, whatever you wanted to but I wound up clean slate not owing 1 red cent. I talked fast and I talked sweet, paid off big time.

Dignity and respect are not worth $$$ - to some--I am certain she

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was not thinking this low to think that they would murder her over a traffic ticket.

She could not keep up with the process probably==
1. Pulled over for nonsense.
2. Dealt with condescendingly.
3. Issue made over a cigarette in her own car.
4. Demanded to exit the vehicle and threatened with being "lit up" and arrest.(escalated to physical fast with that).
5. Pulled from car.
6. Pushed around and manhandled.
7. Thrown to grown, and face and head in dirt.

I was told in Chicago to have a $20 with my driver's license to hand to officer when pulled over. You would get your license back and sent on your way? (it was a while ago, I'm sure it's $100 now) BTW-never got to try it. I was pulled over a few times. Once with a black guy in the car in a black neighborhood and the officer just pulled us over to look at us (um, I mean him).

I don't think bribery is the way to go.

Call it bribery, call it what you want but still - around all these years

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No jail, no prison, no charges, long life, life is like a box of chocolate, sweet.

Survival of the fittest--way to go-huh? - back to the politics page

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Stay with transcribing because you sure - don't know the law

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If a police asks you to step out of the car you are required by law to do so.

You are correct, even though I doubt you have - a law degree

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And I also doubt you're qualified to give me occupational counseling as well. But I no longer transcribe... I just like to come here once in a while and hear all of you whining about it; it reminds me how grateful I am to get out of it!!

Assuming, wrong. I no longer working - retired and sassy

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And I am smart enough to know you have to get out of a vehicle if John Law tells you!

How sad is your life? - Lulu

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And I bet you only drive by your old boyfriend's house every day to convince yourself how happily married you are.

If you're so happy, why bother looking back?

Just sick of people talking about black people dying - so show me some white cases

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they dont make the - news

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because they are white, and people with poor health and bad habits such as smoking and drinking die all the time. Your local news is not interested in 35-year-old homeless white alcoholic who dies in jail. No one cares. I understand there are mysterious deaths across the nation of naturopathic doctors also, maybe related?

I am certain with this group if there were any - tangential cases they would be brought to light

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somebody must have a neighbor or something who died in jail, or know of somebody. Really, this is such an all encompassing pulse on the nation. Just ask them--no one voted for President Obama either and there are no real Democrat/Liberals in the world either.

My family's experience.... - for what it's worth

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My ex-sister-in-law lived a pretty rough life after she left our family. She lived on the streets. She developed diabetes and required insulin. Amazingly, she was pretty good about getting it and taking it. She was put in jail when the man she was living with was arrested for robbery and she was assumed complicit (was she? I don't think so - she was basically a good person). She spent a week in jail before she went into a diabetic coma and died. Were the police responsible? No, after a class action lawsuit by her ex-husband on behalf of her son (at the urging of law enforcement in the city in which she died), there was a massive overhaul of the MEDICAL entities that served prisons in large cities in the midwest and west. It isn't always the cops fault. In this case, the cops wanted justice for my SIL. By the way, she was white and this was 15 years ago, before it was headline news.....

Glad the institution took the responsibility - for the actions of the individuals

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but the individual cops probably could have stepped up, if they were thinking, individual, compassionate people.

Maybe the good part of the police wanted a way to "police" the bad part and supported this law suit. Maybe this is sort of like children who yearn to be disciplined.

And, once again, sorry for your horrific experience and your SIL's untimely death.

More information.... - for you...

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Those that testified in the court case all reported attempting multiple times to get medical care for inmates, but the company that supplied the medical care did not supply competent physicians, nurses, etc. Many times medical care was requested and refused by the doctor "on call" - these doctors were paid millions for sitting around and sometimes not even answering the phone. Put the company out of business, thank goodness. Again, the cops are not always to blame.

Dead for no reason at all--No signal necessary - sm

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So, here's what Sandra Bland's circumstances were at the time: She sees a squad car pull a sudden and radical u-turn and speed up behind her. It is maneuvering like it's on its way to an emergency. We see from the video, from when she first makes her right turn onto the street on which she was stopped, that her windows are rolled up, blocking outside noise. It is in the 90's in Waller County that day, so it's safe to assume that her air conditioning was on, adding more inside background noise to her environment. Maybe her radio was on as well. Is this squad car she sees coming up behind her like this running a siren, and she just can't hear it yet? Or is the officer exercising his discretion and not using it at all?

Either way, her safest and most reasonable maneuver is to do just what she did: get out of his way. It was obviously not a lane change under Section 545.104. She didn't need to change lanes. It was a move-over under Section 545.156. No signal required, or even permitted.

Oh, and BTW, this guy is a lawyer
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/07/25/1405616/-Sandra-Bland-was-Also-Right

Yes! she IS dead - fornoreason

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at all. She hung herself for no good reason. Watching the jumpsuit video you clearly see her arresting officer talking calmly and she is sitting calmly.

And how does that prove they did not - kill her or

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or that she killed herself. So, everyone is calm. About all this allays is that she was not necessarily dead in her booking photo--which I thought was unlikely to begin with.

since - when

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did it become necessary to prove you DID NOT kill someone? The medical examiner said she hung HERSELF. Of course if you believe the officer and all the workers in the jail AND the medical examiner were willing to risk their freedom to cover up a murder of a rowdy traffic ticket inmate, there is simply no explanation you would accept.

keep reading--or prove that she killed herself? - calm nature doesn't PROVE

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anything, either way. She was too calm to kill herself later. They were too calm to have killed her later.

And, yes, I think they would all cover up anything--welcome to small town, racist Texas.

it is a conspiracy - and

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you believe it was murder unless someone can prove to you otherwise. Okay. Remember that 70% or so of communication is body language and the officer was reacting to her hostility and facial expression rather than her insincere statement that everything is great. We cant see her facial expression on the tape. My theory is she sat there 3 days and no one came up with bail money and she couldn't take it anymore. that fits the facts better than Cooder and cohorts hung her without leaving a mark or causing an audible disturbance.

What was the charge that she - cherylsue

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was arrested on?

Assault of public servant --- which did not - happen.

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This document has been compiled and offers some very interesting points to this entire case.

http://whathappenedtosandrabland.com/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/sandra-bland-arrest-transcript_55b03a88e4b0a9b94853b1f1

bail - cherylsue

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I saw her sister on TV. She seemed like a very caring, loving sister who would have helped in any way she could. Was she notified?

I didn't used to believe in conspiracies, but since learning about targeted individuals, that's all I think about.

Maybe she was targeted. The officer seemed to be lying in wait for her.

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