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buh bye democracy
Posted: May 18, 2011
“We Americans are going to have to talk together, work together, find solutions together and insist on opposing… those forces that don’t want to change.”
Can U believe he SAID that? What happened to room for all? I am convinced hes a dictator.
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I don't know who said it, but it sounds like everyday talk to me - Proud American
[ In Reply To ..]I agree that we Americans are going to have to talk together, work together, and find solutions in order to start getting things done.
This week Congress opposed several really good proposals the President had made. He wanted to stop the subsidies to the oil companies, which is a really good idea, but Congress refused. There were other instances as well.
We are going to have to stop this kind of behavior. Because the President is a Democrat, Congress will oppose anything he says or does. What we need to do is go at it again, and oppose those who refuse to allow the country to move forward and make progress.
Have you forgotten that the senate - (part of congress)
[ In Reply To ..]is controlled by the Democrats?
What does this have to do with the Newt adopting - the hope and change theme?
[ In Reply To ..]He is the one who said this.
Newt is not gonna get the nomination - Trigger Happy
[ In Reply To ..]I don't know why you are worried about what he says. I think his potential run for the presidency was DOA. Right now he means nothing to me because I don't think he has a snowball's chance in he11 at getting the nomination.
The idea that ANYTHING Newt does or says is worrisome - is laughable
[ In Reply To ..]I asked the question because I want to understand how the previous poster related his statement to democrats in Congress. The jury is still out on that I guess. He is just another in a long line of GOP potential candidates with no potential.
We do not need another term with someone - who does not understand
[ In Reply To ..]the gravity of the situation we are in. Obama has demonstrated effectively that he has not a clue, and the Dems in congress (most of them anyway) are just following him down the road like he was the Pied Piper.
I agree with you - Trigger Happy
[ In Reply To ..]yet I have yet to see a true republican candidate who I think would actually do what needs to be done either. Romney is the highest in the polls and he isn't much of a conservative when you look at his record.
I sure hope we have more people throw their hat in the ring because right now...I'm not so confident about our choices.
I would rather vote for someone who "might" - turn it around than
[ In Reply To ..]someone I know is not going to. In my honest opinion a vote for Obama is an endorsement of what he has done so far, and I just refuse to go there. I won't NOT vote either, because that is the same as a vote for him. I have done that in the past, but this time, 2012 is just too important for our country.
I am hoping someone will emerge also. I don't think Gingrich has a hope in heck of getting the nomination. I don't think Bachman does either. Romney may not be much of a conservative, but he understands business. He did a good job with the Olympics in Utah. He did a good fiscal job in Massachusetts. THAT is what we need. Someone to start operating the government like the business it is and get us OUT of this mess and start leading us back toward individual responsibility.
Off my soapbox now. I hope someone other than Romney surfaces, but between Romney and Obama, would be Romney hands down.
We'll see how it goes.
Would be nice to see Allen West run... - Zville MT
[ In Reply To ..]but he said he won't run unless the people that elected him to congress want him to (he's from Florida). Check him out - see if you agree.
Other than that, I'm with you - haven't seen anyone I can totally get behind yet. Just remember the "seven dwarfs," one of whom went on to beat George HW Bush quite soundly, even though he had very high approval ratings. Don't lose hope yet ;)
I believe he has a serious attitude and is making wise decisions - No Pied Piper Here
[ In Reply To ..]Finally we have an Adult as President. Okay, that was uncalled for. I do like the fact that he takes his job very seriously and listens to expert advisers before making important decisions. He doesn't make instant decisions or go on power trips to get even with people he doesn't like.
No, he just goes on power trips to get even with Americans who don't like him. - Backwards Typist
[ In Reply To ..]Look at how he blames others for his problems, how he plays to the unions and against those who are tired of union politics; he plays ILLEGAL immigrants against LEGAL Americans; he has even gone so far as to call anyone who doesn't like they way he's "running" the country his enemies.
He has done so much against this country, I often wonder who he is, where his loyalty lies. It sure doesn't sound like he loves this country very much.
I've never seen him on a power trip or the other things you described - sm
[ In Reply To ..]I think he may be one of our greatest Presidents ever. Time will tell, of course.
Some think that posting propaganda - often and loud
[ In Reply To ..]will make it believable to those who don't/can't take the time to understand what is really going on.
You mean this constant barrage of unfounded personal attacks - sm
[ In Reply To ..]questioning the presidents loyalty and love for the country, characterizing him as some evil divisive force who pits us against ourselves and is bent on destroying the country? I agree. These sordid lies sure do get tiresome.
Glad you got here to reply before I got back here - Could not have said it better!
[ In Reply To ..]Well stated.
Please list his accomplishments as President - including how he has
[ In Reply To ..]addressed the financial issues in this country. Please defend why he has involved us in Libya. Please defend why he is about to involve us in Syria. Please defend his attacks on the Constitution. Please defend all the broken promises.
Give me one good reason to vote for him other than he is a Democrat.
You think wrong. Just sayin. - nm
[ In Reply To ..]nm
Though I have searched this post - with a fine toothed comb
[ In Reply To ..]I am unable to discover a grain of truth in a single word therein.
I did the same thing. Couldn't believe what I was reading - sm
[ In Reply To ..]I read it and no matter how hard I tried, I couldn't match up any of it with any facts that I've ever seen.
Obama, IMO doesn't like - sm
[ In Reply To ..]America...or anyone who disagrees with him. I've never seen such a divisive president in my life. Obama is the biggest mistake our country has ever made. He is the biggest arrogant thug I've ever seen.
Please name a few of his wise decisions. - Thanks. nm
[ In Reply To ..]nm
Obama could have taken us forward - and made progress when
[ In Reply To ..]Democrats controlled both houses of Congress. Instead, we are at 14 trillion dollar deficit now and in much worse shape than when he took the reins. You are right about one thing...he needs to get out of the White House in 2012, Republicans need to take control of the Senate so that we can make the hard choices necessary to reduce the deficit and repair our economy. We cannot STAND another Obama term.
Republican-run government - mbmt
[ In Reply To ..]You assume that the Republicans are going to straighten everything out and getting rid of President Obama is going to make that happen. I personally do not want to see this country run entirely by one party. Some friendly opposition is preferable. You do know that President Obama will most likely be elected to a second term, don't you? When you say "we" cannot stand another Obama term,who are you speaking for? You may not approve of him, but not everybody shares your opinion.
Under Bush, the country was run entirely on 1 party in Congress. - Backwards Typist
[ In Reply To ..]In 4 years, where did the dems get us?
Point is - mbmt
[ In Reply To ..]The point is that I do not want to see an entirely Republican-run or Democrat-run government. I do not agree with most Republican viewpoints (no big secret), but I still think people that do agree with Republican viewpoints need representation in government, as do those who identify more with the Democrats.
The major thing we have to do is stop the in-fighting - Backwards Typist
[ In Reply To ..]Just when I think things are going to start working out between the two parties, along comes some big mouth and starts ragging the other side. Reid, Pelosi aren't angels. Alan Grayson was an instigator (glad he's gone), Weiner too(wish he was gone), and on the pub side, well...I haven't seen anyone who blew up and took temper tantrums like the last two I mentioned.
Maybe by 2012, things will change for the better. They know America is furious with all of them. I think that's why the pubs are having a hard time getting anyone good to run for President.
I actually think that the infighting is productive. - It is all part of the checks and balances.
[ In Reply To ..]Without the infighting, things get railroaded through, like the Obamacare. If there were MORE infighting, we would not have that mess to contend to. The Republicans did a decent job of trying to stop it (for the most part), but if it had been a more even fight, this would not have happened. I believe that this call for civility is ridiculous. Our government was never meant to be civil or work together. The whole point was for the two (or more) parties to fight each other tooth and nail to keep the people from getting run over.
Totally agree - we need
[ In Reply To ..]Obama in the WH and the House and Senate with a Democrat super-majority to counteract those Bush/and Boehner years.
The reason they voted the oil subsidies down is: - Backwards Typist
[ In Reply To ..]
According to Rep. Landrieu (and she makes some sense):
1. Of the top 20 Fortune 500 non-financial companies (ranked by market capitalization), the three U.S.-based oil and gas companies represented here today are the top taxpayers on the list. In fact, ConocoPhillips tops the entire list, with a 46 percent effective tax rate. By comparison, the top 20 companies together pay an average effective rate of 27 percent. The industry pays its taxes and then some. I think there is some real misunderstanding that these large oil and gas companies pay either little or no taxes. Maybe people have been told, and believe, that they have so many tax subsidies they do not pay taxes. I want to put that issue to rest. First of all, three companies, ConocoPhillips, Chevron and ExxonMobilthese three companies have paid approximately 49 percent, 43 percent and 42 percent. This is their tax rate. I think that is pretty high.
2. According to the Joint Economic Committee report on this bill, published last week, repealing these tax incentives ``would have little or no impact on consumer energy prices in the immediate future. The impact in the long term will also be negligible.'' Why would we want to harm five large oil and gas companies that work internationally, that employ 9.2 million people in the United States directly.
3. Walmart is a big company. They make a lot of money and they are in all of our States. Their tax rate is 33 percent. Berkshire Hathaway their tax rate is 31 percent. Intel pays 27 percent. Phillip Morris27 percent; IBM, 27 percent; Verizon and Coca Cola, 21 percent; all the way down to GE paid 9 percent last year. GE paid zero taxes to the Federal Government last year when these five big companies are paying $86 million a day.
Should some of these subsidies be looked at? Absolutely. When should they be looked at? In the Finance Committee, when we look at all the subsidies in the Tax Code for these other industries--both oil and gas and non-oil and gas, resource based and not, both retail, telecommunications and software companies, such as Intel, Microsoft, et cetera. I will be the first to stand and say that many of these subsidies--or some of them--need to be eliminated, particularly when the taxpayers are looking to close the deficit and reduce our debt.
4. This approach undermines domestic production. According to the EIA study, published in 2008, the oil and gas industry, the big ones, received about 13 percent of the U.S. subsidies but they provide over 60 percent of the energy. Unfortunately, while the United States was at an all-time high of oil production, the EIA, which is the Energy Information Administration, now estimates U.S. Gulf of Mexico production will decline to 1.14 million barrels a day by the year 2012. The last time the Gulf of Mexico produced less than 1.2 million barrels of oil was in 1997--more than 10 years ago.
According to a recent analysis by the U.S. Energy Information Administration, oil production from the Barnett Shale formation in Texas--literally in the backyards of the headquarters of some of the companies we heard from last week in the committee--oil production from that Barnett Shale formation in Texas has tripled since 2005. In North Dakota, oil production from shale has gone from next to zero in 2005 to 240,000 barrels a day and is expected to continue to grow. In 2010, production in the Woodford Shale in Oklahoma increased 40 percent between 2009 and 2010.
In one area after another, there was significant increase in production. In fact, total oil production has increased over 10 percent since hitting its low point in 2008, and the Energy Information Administration predicts that because of the increased production in oil shale and other sources in the Gulf of Mexico, it is going to continue to grow. U.S. prices are also less tied to global markets and competition now than they were in 2005 because of the increased U.S. production and increased Canadian tar sands production that is pouring into the U.S. market. This ought to be of no surprise to the five major oil companies that testified last week because each of them has also made significant investments in the Canadian tar sands project. From Mr. Coburn: if, in fact, our deficit wasn't $1.6 trillion but about $600 billion, the price of the dollar would shoot way up and the price of oil would go down?
We're not a democracy - Scholar
[ In Reply To ..]Despite what you hear on a regular basis in maintream news, etc., this country was established as a constitutional republic, not a democracy. The founding fathers recognized that democracy is a lousy form of govt. It trounces on individual right and leads to MOB RULE.
thank you for making this clarification... - Zville MT
[ In Reply To ..]Too many people either don't realize this or don't understand the difference.
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