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Such a wise man

Posted: Mar 20, 2012

This quote below pretty much sums up why I don't like all these entitlement programs.

“I am for doing good to the poor, but...I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed...that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.”
― Benjamin Franklin

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This quote rings true - sm

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Yesterday evening I saw a video that Nancy Pelosi's daughter had made while standing outside of a welfare office. She interviewed the people and basically showed many people saying they would vote for Obama because he gives them free stuff, is black, etc. I was rather shocked Pelosi's daughter would do a video like that but it did show how many people are abusing the system. If I find the video, I will post a link.

Here is a link to the story - sm

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http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/PelosivideowelfareHBO/2012/03/20/id/433239

Just curious as to how - hmmm

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someone can "dislike" this comment mentioning a video. What is there to dislike about it?

So instead of explaining said "dislike" - you just "dislike"

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my comment as well...lol It isn't like Pelosi's daughter is a right-wing nut job. She is liberal and did a video regarding hicks in the south talking about how they thought an American should be in the White House and not a muslim, etc. So she did both sides of the story...which is refreshing because that is so rarely done nowadays.

Would really like to know why you dislike so much without giving a reason why. Feel free to dislike this comment as well but I would really like to know what was to dislike about it all. Please share.

The video is laughable - wheres_my_job

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And I'm a liberal. I don't think they are abusing the system quite like you do - these people standing in line are still poor, despite receiving welfare; might have mental health issues and/or substance abuse issues that are not being addressed, and jobs for people with few skills and little education? Not much out there, and if you're poor you need good public transportation to get to those jobs (which they may have in NYC, but not necessarily in other parts of the country).

Ben Franklin had slaves and was a racist - wheres_my_job

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He also thought it was great to give alcohol to Native Americans, and hoped they all died out.

Yes, Ben Franklin. Imperialist extraordinaire.

Ben's history - goldie

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I snipped to save space (so I'm not accused of editing out the other facts). Ben seemed to have a change of heart later in life, although it took other Americans much longer. After all, the 18th century wasn't famous for tolerance.

The link has more info.

>snip

Opposing Slavery

Am I Not a Man and a Brother? (anti-slavery medallion)

This medallion relates to our big idea and theme because it shows that Ben Franklin, a slave owner for over forty years, eventually became opposed to slavery. It helps us to tell the story of how Ben changed his views of slaves. He became President of the Pennsylvania Abolitionist Society in the year 1787. The medallion was a very common symbol that the Abolitionists used when they were fighting against slavery.

Native American Massacre

Cover, Narrative of the Late Massacres in Lancaster County of a Number of Indians

Native Americans struggled against white invaders of their lands throughout Benjamin Franklin’s time in the Americas. Benjamin Franklin was not unlike many of his fellow white landowners who thought less of Native Americans. Over time, however, Franklin realized that Native Americans were just as human as he was. This cover of a pamphlet about the Paxton Boys was written and printed by Benjamin Franklin in the year 1764.

Lifesaver

Title page, Narrative of the Late Massacres in Lancaster County of a Number of Indians

This is a page of the pamphlet about the Paxton Boys, written and printed by Benjamin Franklin in the year 1764. The Paxton Boys were a group of white men who wanted to avenge the deaths of other white men who were killed by Native Americans. Benjamin Franklin realized that this was a pointless response and would only cause more deaths. He told the Paxton Boys that there was no need to kill Native Americans. >snip

facts are facts - wheres_my_job

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doesn't exonerate some of the things he did and said, just because he had "a change of heart" later in life. Washington did too, might have just been responding to political pressures, and not some inner awakening of conscience. Just saying.

or no atheists in a fox hole - seeking redemption? nm

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Ben's change - goldie

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I'm certainly not trying to exonerate him or anyone for that matter. I hope you didn't misunderstood the purpose of my post. Some people may not have known he was a slave owner and then an Abolitionist.

I was certainly not disputing the fact that he was a slave owner and said some horrible things. There's no doubt a lot of terrible things happened in our history, as well as a lot of great things. I was just stating a fact that, during his lifetime, he realized he was wrong. I think that might have been a rare thing back in the 1700s, since the Civil War wasn't fought for another 100 years.

I think people actually CAN have a change of heart and see themselves for what they used to be. I guess I believe in giving a person a second chance if he/she can admit they were wrong, and I wanted to point it out, that's all.

Ben's change - Byrd's change

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Byrd also repented and publicly asked for forgiveness. Funny how you see all the criticisms of these two men, but excluding your post and mine, not one person mentioned the fact that both men recognized the errors they made and asked for forgiveness. Guess you and I are the only ones that believe someone can change, apologize for their indiscretions, make amends and contributions later on in life. So much for all the bleeding hearts on this board proclaiming to be for the "common man, tolerant, accepting of people".

Some Food for Thought - double standards

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Don't know if you recall the exchange between the late Tony Snow and Robert Byrd I believe back in 2001. Interesting how the double standards were back then and now more so today. Interesting article. Just heads up on the language in this article.

BTW, great post by you and Goldie.

http://www.blackelectorate.com/articles.asp?ID=337

facts are facts - wheres_my_job - Some much for the lib forgiveness

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and giving someone a second chance. Too bad you have such a hard heart; at least Ben softened up and realized/recognized his wrongs. Says more than those on this board. Just sayin'

Unlike Robert Byrd, Ben Franklin was a true - statesman

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“I shall never fight in the armed forces with a Negro by my side.”

“Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds.”

Robert Byrd, 1945

I "liked" your post because - sm

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you exposed Byrd for what he was, NOT because of his horrible words.

Thanks for posting these quotes.

Another wise man - Enjoy - another great quote

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"SOME IDEAS ARE SO STUPID ONLY INTELLECTUALS BELIEVE THEM." George Orwell
When the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed. Is this man truly a genius? Checked out and this is true...it DID happen!
An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.

The professor then said, "OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan". All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A.... (substituting grades for dollars - something closer to home and more readily understood by all).
After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided theywanted a free ride too so they studied little.
The second test average was a D! No one was happy.
When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.
As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.

To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed. It could not be any simpler than that.

Remember, there IS a test coming up. The 2012 elections.
These are possibly the 5 best sentences you'll ever read and all applicable to this experiment:

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.

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