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Mass. Supreme Court ruled on pledge case..sm
Posted: May 9, 2014
In this case, a family sued on the grounds that having the Pledge Allegiance recited in school everyday discriminated against their children because they did not follow/worship the Christian God. While their children (and all U.S. children) are free to not recite it, it was argued that non-pledgers were discriminated against, treated as un-American, and un-patriotic, and ridiculed as such. Additionally, even if they wanted to demonstrate their patriotism, these students could not because "Under God" was against their personal religion. The Mass. Supreme Court did not see it this way, citing that there was no evidence they had indeed been treated differently for not pledging. “Today’s decision tells our children that love for our country must be linked to a god belief, and that in and of itself is discriminatory.” --Edwina Rogers, Executive Director of the Secular Coalition for America So what's YOUR view? Do away with the Pledge altogether..remove "under God" as it was originally written...keep it as-is and let the non-Christians deal with it silently? ;
I like your post - from the left
[ In Reply To ..]MOSTLY because you asked us what we thought :)
If they could not prove discrimination then they must either not partake in the exercise or perhaps find a new school.
I applaud them for suing if they really felt discriminated against (and I can see that is a distinct possibility) but they had a day in court and apparently did not prove their case.
I don't like the Pledge for other reasons (wording versus reality) but if I was to take the pledge I would just NOT SAY those two words if I did not follow God.
Personally I think the Pledge should be taught but NOT recited by the entire class daily - smacks of INDOCTRINATION.
Good reply! sm - Feather Tuscadero
[ In Reply To ..]I saw a comment elsewhere that suggested we should be trying to INSPIRE love of country to where students--or anyone--would WANT to pledge allegiance, rather than teaching them a monologue and telling them to believe it.
I really did hope more people would weigh in. I know how I feel about it, and am truly interested how others see it.
I do agree that non-Christians could legitimately feel marginalized when their publicly-funded school assumes them to follow the Christian God and expect--though not require--them to equate our freedom and liberty with a devotion to that god. That fear of something like defiance "going in your permanent record" still exists!
I can tell you from personal experience - after moving to the South
[ In Reply To ..]that I have had a very difficult time with the transition, mainly because I march to a different beat and THAT is frowned upon here...
When people realized I wasn't a church-goer that IMMEDIATELY set me up for disdain and even poor treatment. So I am sure these people did receive discrimination, because if you step out of bounds too many people can't handle that and will 'punish' you for it.
Something tells me this case could be appealed and/or taken up higher - unless of course they really have no proof...
It can't go higher because it's a state specific ruling. sm - Feather Tuscadero
[ In Reply To ..]It had the potential to be precedent setting had it gone the other way. There's a very similar case being decided in New Jersey right now. I think chances are they will follow Massachusetts' lead...although NJ is extremely diversified in its ethnic makeup and religious demographics, so maybe THEY will find in favor of the family.
The New Jersey case will depend upon - the facts in *that* case
[ In Reply To ..]But it's very interesting - I didn't even know about the case.
I may be naïve here but I like to think the ruling was based in whether or not the plaintiff could *prove* discrimination or not. The Courts are not there to set precedent per se but to rule on the merits of a particular case.
that said I know there are all kinds of crazy courts out there - after all they are still run by people!! who are fallible.
But the NJ case *could* have cited the MA ruling..sm - Feather Tuscadero
[ In Reply To ..]....as weight for ruling for the plaintiff. That wouldn't be the only decision-maker, of course.
Mass. was the first state to allow same-sex marriage, so some thought they might also be the first to rule the pledge unconstitutional. The court also took an extendedly long time making their decision, months longer than any other case on their docket this year, so that also led to much speculation on which direction it would go.
I don't understand the assumption - sm
[ In Reply To ..]that God is a Christian entity. Jews believe in God. The same God as Christians. It's not about being a Christian. It's about believing in God.
That said, I haven't been able to understand why God is mentioned in the pledge since I was in the first grade.
It's the fundamental Xtians who are fighting loudest to keep "under God" in the pledg - And what about the Muslims, and Hindus?
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you don't have to be Christian to believe in God - I hope you realize
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And you don't have to believe in god to be an American. nm - Feather Tuscadero
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that, too - nm
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It was not originally written - "under God"
[ In Reply To ..]That was added in 1954.
Exactly! nm - Feather Tuscadero
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