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Posted: Feb 23, 2011
Rep. Michael Capuano (D-Mass.) at a union rally: “I’m proud to be here with people who understand that it’s more than just sending an email to get you going. Every once and awhile you need to get out on the streets and get a little bloody when necessary,” he continued.
So, let me get this straight. He's calling for getting a little bloody against citizens?! This is absolutely unacceptable.
I guess the call to union violence has been made loud and clear. Thugs unite! Pathetic. And they're afraid of the "radical, hate-mongering" Tea Party?! Can you just imagine if someone - anyone - on the right had said anything like this? First of all, no Tea Party member would call for it's members to go the streets and get a little bloody. Second of all, the calls for their immediate resignation would be heard all over (and rightfully so).
Where are the calls for this radical U.S. Representative to step down immediately?
http://www.dotnews.com/2011/potential-us-senate-candidates-stir-union-rally
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Liberals are allowed to use - sm
[ In Reply To ..]words like that. It is only inciting violence when republicans do it. Just another double standard.
So true. Dems can deceive, lie, hold up Hitler signs, etc - and its "free speech"... lol.. pathetic.nm
[ In Reply To ..]nm
A trumped up distraction from the "real" news - of destroying rights of workers.
[ In Reply To ..]Its about taking risks--about shutting down the e-mail, getting out of your chair, and doing something. There are truly violent metaphors with the crosshairs and getting out the guns--but not this. Fake outrage again to take the attention off the real issues of destroying rights of workers.
entitled workers who are spoiled brats? yeah, - Go home people. I am no longer paying for you.nm
[ In Reply To ..]nm
Another name calling no message message. - sm
[ In Reply To ..]Dont you every get tired of saying nothing? Who comes out on top of this remains to be seen doesnt it? Counting chickens before they hatch. Tsk, tsk.
The pot calling the kettle black - sm
[ In Reply To ..]I do believe that I've seen name calling with no message from both sides of the line on this board. Don't complain when one side does it cause both sides do it.
Oh sure.. You cant handle the truth, so this is all you got? - Give it up.nm
[ In Reply To ..]nm
There is no truth to handle and there is no black kettle. - Overused trite cliches
[ In Reply To ..]do a bankrupt argument make. Now excuse me while I address some of these other posts by folks willing to offer up some substance.
okay, how about hypocrite? That is perfecting fitting - You are the one with NO substance at all.nm
[ In Reply To ..]nm
What are you not talking about now, Ms. nm? - More name calling?
[ In Reply To ..]Every time she posts substance, you come by with your silly, mean-spirited drive-bys. Giving them anything more than a casual dismissal would be a waste of time.
You are funny. But this is what happens after losing election - Frank
[ In Reply To ..]last November.. reality bites, doesnt it? :-)
Frank, Frank, Frank. - sm
[ In Reply To ..]Another substance-free drive-by seeking to prove no point whatsoever? Mighty impressive. Tell ya what. Why dont you and Ms nm partner up, pat each other on the back and throw out a few more snipes while the rest of us focus on the reality of exposing Walkers failed union busting maneuvers? In case you hadnt noticed, this thread is dead.
Face it, unions will die. Deal with reality. - Good!
[ In Reply To ..]Go pout, go cry, then go back to REAL work instead of whining about elitist type entitlements and money given to Dems they never should have received, stolen from union workers. Its a crime.
Ummm, perhaps you should rethink that prediction - sm
[ In Reply To ..]in light of the Koch Punked Walker tape. This movement is going nowhere fast. BTW, does popular opinion mean anyting to you at all? Check out the polls on this issue. Collective bargaining gets support by a fairly impressive margin.
Nah, this tape is worthless... will mean nothing in long run.nm - Independent
[ In Reply To ..]nm
Uh-huh. If you say so, dear. - nm
[ In Reply To ..]nm
What makes metaphoric words - sm
[ In Reply To ..]by liberals not violent and metaphoric words from republicans truly violent?
The real issue...which is being misrepresented by the mainstream media...is that without doing this, WI is going to have to lay off workers. This is about the budget people and I don't see how you guys cannot see that. Obviously many of you are so blinded by the rhetoric from the left that you fail to see the big picture.
So what is more important here? Union workers keeping collective bargaining or keeping 5K-6K people from being laid off?
Yeah, and what is ironic is that the people protesting - might protest themselves right into layoff!
[ In Reply To ..]There is true ignorance for you. States across the country are going broke, and these corrupt unions holding the states hostage are huge contributors. Most people in America have caught onto this. They are no longer about protecting the little guy, but rather influencing them on who to vote for and feeding an agenda. Unions stink nowadays and are basically criminal.
happy Nancy - icedT
[ In Reply To ..]The unemployment line could be next for these folks, but Nancy Pelosi will be happy. Remember this quote not long ago? "It is the biggest bang for the buck when you do food stamps and unemployment insurance." This is so sad. These people will be out of a job and their union leaders will continue to pull their nice paychecks, all the while "fighting for the little guy." Yeah, right.
Good point and sad at the same time. Looks like union - workers are brainwashed.
[ In Reply To ..]as well as some of its defenders here. My uncle belonged to a union for years and actually quit the company because he HATED the pressure the unions put on him, their dues, which he felt contributed to a political side he never represented, yet he unwillingly paid for. He was sickened by the union until he finally left the company altogether.
Speaking of blinded by the rhetoric. - sm
[ In Reply To ..]Ever heard of political grandstanding? Emotional blackmail? How about abuse of power? Walker is trying every trick in the book to get the dem reps back in town since he cant get to square one without them. Creating a phoney emergency need to lay off workers is nothing more than an impotent strong arm tactic aimed at shaming them back to debate what he describes as a non-negotiable bill, not to mention laying grounds for a future presidential run. Talk about gigantic ego. Dont expect much traction out of this maneuver. The man has talked himself into a corner and is squirming around to get out of it, plain and simple. There are SO MANY WAYS this is not about the budget anymore.
BTW, what say you on his refusal to accept all benefits and pension concessions, which would instantly balance his budget (according to his own words out of that big fat mouth of his)? That question has been asked many times over on this forum yet remains unanswered. Do tell.
Umm...no, Walker is telling it like it is. People ARE - being layed off in Govt work due to budgets
[ In Reply To ..]Can you not open your eyes.. in denial.. what? You really need to start being honest with yourself instead of so BLINDED by your hatred of the other side. States are going bankrupt. Its happening right before you, yet you make up this grand story. Wake up! If unions get busted up during this process, so be it. They are full of corruption and are holding employees hostage now.
Pardon me while I confine my comments to WI - sm
[ In Reply To ..]protests and Walkers not-so-hidden agendas. He had not been in office two weeks before he was handing out gratuitous tax cuts to his high-rolling contributors. His long past record of going after unions gives him zero credibility on the current stance he is taken. Now, kindly answer my question about his refusal to balance the budget by accepting benefits and pension concessions.
PS: Dont look for unions to "get busted up" anytime soon. One thing I can say I am grateful for is that Walker has managed to step into a big steaming pile of doo-doo with both feet and create a brand new campaign issue for 2012.
So when Obama hands out money it is okay, but not Walker? - WI MT
[ In Reply To ..]Geesh! Not that I agree with your way of seeing things or even your assessment of Walker, but didn't Obama hand out billions in stimulus money and giving czar positions to his high-rolling contributors? GE anyone?
Walker gave tax cuts (he didn't throw money at bogus shovel-ready projects) like I have stated before to help get the economy rolling in WI so businesses would stop leaving for Illinois. Tax cuts actually help the economy while being held hostage to union thugs does not. Once again, we disagree here too. Conservatives believe in giving the money back to the people so they can create jobs and support the economy with smaller government while Liberals think the masses are too stupid to handle their own money therefore it must be taken and redistributed by the unions.
You actually think that giving in to union demands will help the economy. It won't. It will end up with more and more people being laid off, from the union. The taxpayer's pockets are broke. There is no one for the union to steal from any longer. The unions need to be broken up and I too cannot wait for 2012 so we can finish the job we started in 2010.
Dont you mean Bush in 2008? - sm
[ In Reply To ..]In a word, NO! Trying to equate economic stimulus measures in the middle of a global depression to a balancing a state budget are we? Dont care to play that game and will remind you once again I will be confining my remarks to WI, Walker and his transparent partisan agenda driven war on unions. Your repeated attempts to highjack this post and take it in a thousand different directions only goes to show your subborn reticence and refusal to answer the question at hand: What say you about Walkers refusal to balance his WI budget by accepting all benefits and pension concessions offered which he himself demanded? Keep in mind that no answer is really all the answer any of us really need.
Nah, you lost, and Walker is only - GetReal
[ In Reply To ..]doing what he was elected to do -Save the budget and get rid of the corruption.
ROFLMAO. - Delusional much?
[ In Reply To ..]Thats why we see him out here twisting in the wind on a daily basis ever since he dove into that steaming pile, huh?
Umm. go look in your own mirror to see delusion.nm - Wink
[ In Reply To ..]nm
Whoops. Twisting in the wind is a step up from punked - by a Koch impersonator.
[ In Reply To ..]Can you say bad to worse? I can.
Giving the union collective bargaining - sm
[ In Reply To ..]is not going to keep the budget balanced. What is to keep unions from bargaining next year and making things go up again. We have got to stop collective bargaining for the time being to make sure things don't get out of control again.
As for giant ego...look to Obama. You don't get more arrogant and thuggish than he is. But you all seem to be blind to that.
Unions have hurt our country and people have been blinded by them for too long. The only reason these democrats are sticking up for the union is because without the union....they wouldn't have all that money for their campaigns.
Another nanny-nanny-boo-boo post. - sm
[ In Reply To ..]Stripping unions of CB does not balance a budget. You are too caught up in your partisan rapture to know that you are being played. Guess you have not noticed how OUT OF THIS Obama has kept himself. Please take the rest of this rabid rant about arrogance and thuggery to the outer edges of the fringosphere. There is no sense in trying to reason with such propaganda-ridden poppycock.
Unions have brought us (and contributed toward) protective child labor laws, a 5-day work week, weekends, vacation, overtime and sick pay, health benefits, secure retirement, safer work places and equal pay for women and minorities...all decidedly American values we should take pride in. While folks in the Middle East are laying their lives down in pursuit of democracy, you guys are prepared to throw all this away on behalf of big-business and corporate interests, who outsource your jobs, hold you in utter contempt and would just as soon spit on you as to look at you. Amazing.
here is another - WI MI
[ In Reply To ..]Obama commented on this WI situation sooner than he commented on the riots in Egypt. He is just afraid of his campaign money disappearing and by making unions optional he knows and so does the DNC that the unions will fall apart. Obama's own political arm was organizing protests in Madison. The only reason he backed down was he saw the negative backlash on the fleebagger senators and the MIA teachers. Too little, too late. He was all over this protest from the beginning.
I have asked this and you have not answered if this protest is about the money or the power. Collective bargaining would still be in place for those who chose to be part of the union for all those things you mentioned EXCEPT wages which would be determined by the CPI and the taxpayer in a vote. Stripping the unions would balance the budget because the state would not be held hostage to unreasonable demands by the unions for wages beyond the CPI. Two years from now the union could not come back to the state and demand back wages or some sort of compensation they felt they were entitled to. Plus by allowing the school districts to shop for health insurance instead of being forced by the WTEA to purchase from one place the school districts could save money too.
More like tpots trying to scrap unions since they - sm
[ In Reply To ..]are among the main contributors to their opposition partys campaign funds. Its pretty sad that the baggers cant come up with a candidate willing to go up against Obama in 2012 (self-preservation being the name of that game, since they know they would lose by embarrassingly high double digits in a historical landside). Even more sad is they feel they have to try to undermine a main funding source since they know full well that the 20-percenters cant win more than a smattering of local elections and a few seats here and there, based on the merits (or lack thereof) of their bankrupt agendas. The fact that you opened your big mouth and said this out loud in this post pretty much proves that point.
These protests are not about money or power, no matter how hard Focks tries to spin this message. It is about workers rights struggles fought for over the past 8 decade and the hard-earned victories they accomplished along the way. Let me tell you what this is decidely NOT about. It is not about some upstart tpot puppeteer with an exaggerated sense of self-importance presuming to hand down some declaration (as HITLER did in 1933) disbanding unions. One more time. Do not look for unions to go quietly into the night, period. This guy has bitten off WAY more than he can chew, as has his puny party.
I answered your question, now you answer mine. What say you about Walkers refusal to balance WI budget by accepting benefits and pension concessions that have have been offered? Huh? I cant hear you.
I saw "baggers" and stopped reading during the second sentence. - icedT
[ In Reply To ..]Maybe you can make your point without name calling? Probably not.
I have answered your question, you just don't like the answer - WI MT
[ In Reply To ..]Thats okay I will let you think you are right. You are so blinded by your rage that you don't see the damage the unions are doing. Walker campaigned on fixing the budget and standing up to unions and he is doing just that. He needs more than just token $$ paid in for benefits and pensions. He does not want the state to be held hostage to unrealistic demands by unions. He wants to fix the problem for good, not kick the solution down the road. By leaving collective bargaining for wages as an option he only gives the unions the power they wanted all along. He wants to give local governments and school boards the ability to balance their budgets too by not paying 80% or more of their budget in salaries and pension and benefits.
It is about the power, I just wish you could admit it. Of course the union will cede money and throw their members under the bus, but they want to keep the power. The union leaders know if membership was optional they would have no one left.
The Republicans have the votes and this will pass or 12,000 people will lose their jobs. Budget crisis solved.
Honestly I am done debating with you because your leftist rage is seething through and I am offended by your demeaning term of honest, hard working, taxpayers who are sick of being taken advantage of by people like you.
No you didnt, but Walker sure did in his taped phone gaffe. - Straight from the horses mouth.
[ In Reply To ..]I am about as far from rage as one can be. In fact, nothing could be more satisfying than to see this guy choke on his own words.
You do realize unions take dues to give to the Dems? - KL
[ In Reply To ..]How that is legal is beyond me. Obama did start running his mouth in the beginning stating something about assault on unions, then he realized it was backfiring and shut his ignorant mouth. Unions are holding the country hostage, not helping it! They are also so full of thinking they deserve entitlements that no one in the private sector gets. Its ridiculous and shameful. Its bringing the country down at this point.
this is NOT a fake outrage and certainly NOT a distraction - independentvoter
[ In Reply To ..]You can't be serious. After Tuscon and the speech from the president? Pointing out the call for violence is now considered a fake outrage and distraction? No, I'm buying that one. Nice try.
It has all become clearer to many people. The American voters told the progressives "no, we don't like your agenda" back in November in a historic upset. The progressives are now crashing and burning in a big way.
You got that right, but dont hold your breath expecting - any of that to sink in. nm
[ In Reply To ..]nm
and what rights exactly are those? - WI MT
[ In Reply To ..]The right to bully and whine like little kids when asked to pay for some of their benefits? What about the rights of the taxpayers? All collective bargaining does is bully the government into taking from the taxpayers to give to the unions who then funnel it to the democrat party in order to keep their people in power so they can continue to take more money from the taxpayer. When exactly did we become a nation of entitled? What about those union people who are forced to be part of a union and dues are stripped right out of their paycheck? What if they want to say no to the union?
If you would do your research collective bargaining would be left in place for everything but wages. And those who choose to be part of a union could do so, but it would not be mandatory. So is this really about the money or about the power?
Thank you!! ... message is SO true. I used to be a - union member -never again!.nm
[ In Reply To ..]nm
Finally...someone with a brain who actually - uses it!!
[ In Reply To ..]Very well said!!!
The unions aren't concerned about the union workers. They are more concerned about losing their power. If we crack down on the unions, they won't have millions of dollars to dish out to democrats each time an election comes around.
Of course, calling for blood against citizens is absolutely unacceptable. - sm
[ In Reply To ..]Trouble is, those are your words, not his, as are "union calls to violence," "Thugs unite!" "...this radical US representative" and the like. This post is just more of the same old tired Fox drivel that IS used to distract from the issues at hand. What a bore.
sorry to bore you - icedT
[ In Reply To ..]Are you saying that he never said those words? Yes, I stand MY words that he has called the unions to violence and yes, that would be the thugs. Please don't brush it off as something used for a distraction from the issues at hand.
Oh, and don't assume it's the "same old tired Fox drivel." Has it been on Fox? I honestly don't know, but I would guess that Hannity will be all over it tonight.
I watch Fox, yes (I like Cavuto). I also watch CNN sometimes when I'm really bored (not much there to see anymore). I watch MSNBC too. I watch Rachel and Lawrence a few times a week, but I really can't take too much of Schultz any more than I can take too much of Hannity (can't watch him). For the record, I've been a registered Democrat for 33 years - wanna see my voter card?
I saw it on MSNBC this morning - Zville MT
[ In Reply To ..]I live in Ohio and wanted to see what the other channels were saying about the rallies going on at the state house and that was where I heard this. Been watching Fox since about 1 today. Haven't really been paying a whole lot of attention, but I haven't heard anything about it yet.
What I am saying is that the phrase AGAINST CITIZENS - is yours, not his.
[ In Reply To ..]along with the other embellishments you inserted. This basically means the rest of your original post was a runaway fabricated rant. I am not assuming anything about Fox drivel. It is and I said so. Your news sources or party affiliation are of no interest to me. The content of your post and insertion of inflammatory words to, well accuse another of violent rhetoric, is disingenuous at best.
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