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Hmmm, Gov Pence
Posted: Mar 31, 2015
"clarify" the religious freedom law because he "abhors discrimination." "We'll clarify that in the days ahead and we'll fix this and move forward." Boycotts & demonstration having an effect? Tool.
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No, because so many are so fricking stupid. - nm
[ In Reply To ..]Jeez.
I think his idea of clarification is blaming the media - and avoiding questions
[ In Reply To ..]I can't wait to see what he (and his advisors - obviously the poor dumbo needs help) come up with, most probably again skirting the issue of discrimination against homosexuals.
This guy is only comfortable expounding in settings where everyone "understands" what he means without having to say anything, he's not used to scrutiny, and he's not dealing with it well at all.
Sorry, but people barely understand anything lawful - Truthhurts
[ In Reply To ..]anymore, or else they wouldn't be supporting Hillary's blatant lawbreaking.
It's sad because people only go to the news media for their news and can't comprehend or separate lies from truth.
The younger generation have been taught well in the Ayers-Hillary colleges. Comprehension is a skill sorely lacking in most people today.
You've hit the nail on the head. It really is sad. - LM
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Yep - I quit reading the "hate" Pence/Christian posts. - He must of left them at the altar.LOL
[ In Reply To ..]They show absolutely no concept of the law, have no desire to learn about it...they just want to hate on Pence and Christians. Too much else going on to waste my time rereading the same old drivel towards Christians over and over again. They need a new set of talking points and fast, because this set is old, old, old.
That's funny, exactly how I feel about - all the "hate" Obama posts!
[ In Reply To ..]Boring reading all that hating, right?
I beg to differ with Governor Pence because I feel in fact that HE is the hater and that law has nothing to do with being Christian, more just the opposite, but each to his own, right?
Sorry for the double post, my first attempt appeared to time out - See below comment instead
[ In Reply To ..]I thought I lost it and rewrote it, sorry about that.
Not a single disagreeing comment by other Christians etc. said or implied hate, nor was there any - namecalling but hypocrite & deceptive
[ In Reply To ..]The same cannot honestly be said about the behavior of some other Christians on this forum.
Some people are CINOs, Christian In Name Only. - nm
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Obama's perfect example of CINOs - nm
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Who gets to decide that? Christians don't have to agree, why church/state are separate - but I could claim Christian persecution too
[ In Reply To ..]I'm not arrogant or Pharissitical enough to judge the souls of others as Christian or not, as another Christian sinner, only saved by grace.
"There is but one lawgiver and one judge, the one with the power to save or destroy - who are you to judge your neighbor?"
James 4:12
Yeah, like he didn't know the loophole of "legal shunning" just days before - the Final 4 Natl Tournament
[ In Reply To ..]Please. He's clearly backtracking because this is about money. Sorry, I don't believe Mike Pence is that stupid, he had to know that some conservative businesses would use the new law to legally discriminate against gays and that it's not just Dems "misinterpreting" that law. Because even in the first thread on this subject below, it's very clear many conservatives would like the legal right to shun gays as private business practice under religious freedom law! No. I don't believe Mike Pence et al didn't know it would be abused. The only thing I believe they "didn't know" was the magnitude of the backlash. They really thought they could sneak this loop-holed law past right before the Final Four in Indianapolis, this weekend, and no one would care because having fun at a basketball tournament would be more important to them, since people had already bought tickets and booked rooms. No one could say anything during the tournament if they were discriminated against because now it was legal or in the process of being legal! But they were wrong. Because there's been a larger-than-expected commercial and public outcry over it, including canceled travel plans, companies talking about pulling ads, and even the NCAA themselves talking about how they could legaly move the tournament venue over it, this late in the game. Mike Pence figured out his state will actually lose money over it now if he doesn't fix this and soon. He got caught, plain and simple.
Religious freedom? OK. But I don't know what religion some are following because it ain't Christianity. Because Jesus stood in front of a prostitute rather than allow her stoning/shunning by others sinners and she definitely CHOSE her sin. And Paul says: I Cor. 6:9-10 "Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor THIEVES nor the GREEDY nor drunkards nor SLANDERERS nor SWINDLERS will inherit the kingdom of God."
Which means any Christian sinner-by-nature who supports deceptive, loopholed law because they truly believe it makes it legally okay to throw stones/slander/shun other sinners, over money, are just as sinful as homosexuals, according to Paul and Pharisee law.
And didn't Jesus bypass Pharisee law to heal lepers on the Sabbath? Lepers, who at the time, people believed had leprosy as the result of sin! And didn't Paul refuse to incorporate the Pharisee law of circumcision into Christianity? Both did so because they considered those man-made laws and not God's direct commandment law. Which means man-made Pharisee law is then ALWAYS suspect to our discernment. In fact, the entire point of Jesus' message of healing on the Sabbath despite law was that Christian compassion is supposed to over-ride such man-made Pharisee law in cases like this! Paul the sinful human, on the other hand, later turned Timothy over to circumcision just to please the Pharisees so they wouldn't crucify him, too, something Jesus, our actual Messiah, would never do. Shades of Mike Pence for initially passing this law, anyone?
So that'd be sin x3 for any Christian supporting a deceptive law they at least believe has a loophole that legalizes "sinner shunning" on Christian grounds, according to Pharisee law: Slander, greed and swindling. Make that sin x4 for Mike Pence for breaking an actual direct commandment of God by bearing false witness IF he's lying about "not knowing" what private business would be legally be allowed to do under religious freedom law, right before a very lucrative national basketball tournament held in his state.
We ALL sin and fall short of the glory of God, every single one of us. We are saved by grace ONLY, not works, don't ever imagine otherwise.
Demos disgusting desperation at deception - Real truth.
[ In Reply To ..]Pence vows to 'fix' religious freedom law, ensure 'no license to discriminate'
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/03/31/indiana-lawmakers-hurry-to-clarify-religious-freedom-law-amid-protests/
How is that a disgusting desperation - at deception?
[ In Reply To ..]That's exactly what I said in my post, he is planning to "fix" this because he "abhors discrimination." That was the Real Truth. Doh! He is frantically trying to fix his total clusterfaux
Democrats aren't the only ones against this law. - nm
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Sounds more like Pubs' disgusting desperation. - They know not what real truth is.
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I don't like the law, but it bothers me that - sm
[ In Reply To ..]That a few CEOs and big shots can complain and they get media coverage and get what they want, BINGO! You or I write a million letters, talk until we are blue in the face, and get form that says "thanks for your comment we would appreciate your donation."
True. Money talks. - nm
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It's more than a few CEOs and big shots - sm
[ In Reply To ..]Lawmakers and citizens all across America oppose this stupid piece of legislation and the insipid notion that serving the LGBT community somehow INFRINGES upon someone's religious freedom.
As noted below, Clinton and Obama supported this. - Google is your friend.
[ In Reply To ..]Much ado about nothing.
if Google was your friend - you would know that this
[ In Reply To ..]Law is written differently than the one they signed
That's incorrect - it's not the same act - google is everybody's friend
[ In Reply To ..][T]he Indiana statute has two features the federal RFRA—and most state RFRAs—do not. First, the Indiana law explicitly allows any for-profit business to assert a right to “the free exercise of religion.” The federal RFRA doesn’t contain such language, and neither does any of the state RFRAs except South Carolina’s; in fact, Louisiana and Pennsylvania, explicitly exclude for-profit businesses from the protection of their RFRAs.
The new Indiana statute also contains this odd language: “A person whose exercise of religion has been substantially burdened, or is likely to be substantially burdened, by a violation of this chapter may assert the violation or impending violation as a claim or defense in a judicial or administrative proceeding, regardless of whether the state or any other governmental entity is a party to the proceeding.” Neither the federal RFRA, nor 18 of the 19 state statutes cited by the Post, says anything like this; only the Texas RFRA, passed in 1999, contains similar language.
Only hate was directed toward Christians - Left wing extremists keep their
[ In Reply To ..]mouths shut with the abuse Muslims heap on their women, in this country, with physical abuse and honor killings.
Where is the outrage and demand of pork lovers against kosher deli's or Muslim business to shut down?
Where is the outrage against Muslims who believe in killing gays - why not storm their mosques, demanding Muslims sponsor, participate, perform (pick your word) in gay marriage, otherwise, face boycotts of their businesses, picketing, forced closure of their businesses?
There is no outrage by any left wing extremists except towards Christians and Christians alone...which is the true meaning of discrimination.
You made EXCELLENT points. - nm
[ In Reply To ..]Thank you.
Where's the hate? - sm
[ In Reply To ..]Liberals do not keep their mouths shut regarding abuse of women or gays of any religion. Crimes against women and gays are prosecuted here in the U.S. under U.S. law, regardless of the religion of the perpetrator.
Your analogy about kosher delis and Muslim businesses doesn't make sense. We are all free to set up a shop of our choosing, be it religious or not. Atheists don't storm Christian bookstores. People don't go to kosher delis to demand pork. Gay couples ordering a cake can't demand that a boy toy jump out of it. You are mixing your metaphors here.
As for the outrage, I don't think any is warranted.
Your answer perfect description of only the Christians - being attacked for their beliefs
[ In Reply To ..]Analogy makes perfect sense - sorry you cannot see it. Metaphors not mixed. The only one talking about a boy jumping out of a cake requested by gays is you. WTH is that about?
Only ones that have lost their businesses by refusing to participate in gay marriages are CHRSITIANS.
Atheists HAVE stormed many, many Christian establishments.
Liberals only open their mouths with the Dems tell them to and spew out talking points.
Try this then; Google - Friend
No one is being attacked for their beliefs. - sm
[ In Reply To ..]"The freedom to exercise one’s religion is not under assault in Indiana, or anywhere else in the country. Religious people — including Christians, who continue to make up the majority of Americans — may worship however they wish and say whatever they like."
Great Post and 100% on target. If DemAlinsky's were - really concerned about discrimination
[ In Reply To ..]they would not single out just the Christians, which is exactly what they did.
You mean to tell me that the ONLY business a gay person could go to the entire city, state in which they lived was a Christian business, knowing full well their beliefs on homosexuality?
Why not go to a Muslim owned floral business, catering company, hall rental, etc. and DEMAND that the Muslims accommodate them? Because Muslims would cut off the infidels head, scream like maniacs about tolerance (they do it all the time now and the left buckles like a stack of cards), go to the press.
Why not demand a kosher deli provide you a pork dinner at your gay reception?
Bottom line - there no shortage of secular businesses with absolutely no faith mechanism used for the moral compass....go to them and get what you want and leave the discriminated, abused, harassed Christians alone - just as you want the gays left alone.
This is the same bogus garbage that Dems pulled with the faux war on women.
nobody singled out Christians - The Christians singled out
[ In Reply To ..]the LGBT community.
This lack of insight by the left is so tiresome and gets old fast. - CHRISTIANS were singled out by the gays
[ In Reply To ..]Some just refuses to read anything but their talking points.
There is massive documentation, court cases, etc., by gays suing Christians, yet Christians are not to defend themselves and their beliefs? Christians were singled out.
Google - Friend
Kosher delis don't offer pork. - sm
[ In Reply To ..]Since when is a bakery a Christian bakery just because it's owned by Christians? Lots of businesses are owned by Christians. It doesn't make them Christian businesses. What is that supposed to mean? Should we publish a guide for the community so citizens know in advance who they might stand to offend?
Wow - no kidding! No pork in a kosher deli - that was the point
[ In Reply To ..]Since there seems to be so little understanding of the Christian faith, I will try to enlighten.
Christian business owners are to operate their business in a Christian manner. Yes, we all know there are some that do not, as in every other faith.
If you are a Christian, your beliefs are based on the Bible. It is clearly stated that a union is to be between a man and a woman...period. There is no other union acceptable in Christianity.
Christians forced and/or sued to provide **wedding services** to gays goes against their religious beliefs.
It has nothing to do with selling someone a loaf of salt-risen bread, a pie, a bread stick.
It has EVERYTHING TO DO WITH BEING FORCED OR SUED TO PURSUE IN WEDDINGS THAT ARE IN DIRECT CONFLICT WITH YOUR FAITH.
As clear as that is, pretty sure there will be some that will not get it because they do not want to...just only want to force their POV over someone's religious beliefs.
Here's the difference - sm
[ In Reply To ..]If a deli is kosher, we know they don't offer pork. If a restaurant is Indian, we know they don't offer beef. There is nothing inherently Christian about bakeries in America.
The other thing is this: A kosher deli and an Indian restaurant are free to offer what they offer. You are free to buy it, whether they regard you as a sinner or not. They cannot refuse to serve kosher pickles to gentiles, or Chana Masala to cow-eaters.
Sorry, this posted twice for some reason. - See below instead.
[ In Reply To ..]sorry about that
I disagree, but I'm a Christian. And Christian Amish sell to everyone without discrimination - That means we're leftist?
[ In Reply To ..]Even if that were true, then there would be NO difference between left extremists wanting to force by law service to gays and right extremists pushing by law NOT to service gays? However, it's NOT true. Because THIS particular law it's the right, this time, trying to force things by law!
Sorry, I won't be TOLD what to think or get outraged over by either the right OR left, nor will I be told by other Christian sinners that I should support this law as a Christian.
FYI, as a Christian, I don't support Christian Extremists OR Muslim Extremists, who imagine they speak and represent ALL Christians and Muslims, and that's what people think about them as a whole just because extremists shout the loudest and do horrible things to others in God's name. But it doesn't mean I "hate" either or that I am not a Christian because I disagree with you or this law. Because though some things make me mad, I'm not always looking for something to get mad over.
Apples and Oranges. Huge difference between doing - a gay wedding and sued as a CHRISTIAN
[ In Reply To ..]because you do not want to participate in something that is in clear violation of your faith, than selling baked goods to someone.
No comparison at all. But you keep up with the spin, even if it is way off target.
No intentional spin, I think we're literally talking about 2 - different things
[ In Reply To ..]"not participating or attending" is very different than "denying service/business".
I guess that's for the law to decide. The thing is, had this law never been signed, there couldn't be any lawsuits because there WAS no law on the matter. So who's fault is that?
I'm sure Amish ask every customer buying a pie what the - sexual persuasion is...LOLOL
[ In Reply To ..]How many Amish do you know servicing gay weddings...ummmm that would be nada, zero, goose egg.
Amish typically don't cater nonAmish events, but will sell u a cake. Are u - saying Christians should ask?
[ In Reply To ..]I have a gay cousin who brought me salt-risen bread he'd bought from the Amish. He and and his partner were very obviously gay. Nobody asked them if they were gay or refused to sell to them, so you may be off on that one.
And what if they DO start asking but the person answers "no." Will the Christians that support this law serve them then?
No one said what you are trying to spin. Who cares what was bought for you, by whom, from whom - You are not the issue. The issue was
[ In Reply To ..]Gays forcing Christians or ANY OTHER RELIGION THAT DOES NOT BELIEVE IN GAY MARRIAGES SUING THEM TO FORCE THEM TO PARTICIPATE IN GAY CEREMONIES, IN DIRECT VIOLATION OF THEIR FAITH.
It is not and never was about buying salt-risen bread for you. "You" are WAY OFF" on many points.
CAPS ARE FOR EMPHASIS, since it appears that the desire to twist and spin posts is the primary effort, not the religious freedom of Christians or other faiths not believing in gay marriage. Cannot be any more clear - so through with this and will not waste more time with someone who clearly is making this far more difficult than it is to attempt the spin for the left. Good luck!
LOL. Guess if you buy "salt-risen bread" Amish should obviously assume - you're gay??? WTH??? LOL is right.
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she was just saying that the Amish make salt-risen bread. - (??) I think you misunderstood.
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Nope - misunderstanding was on her part - Just pointing out the absurdity of her comments
[ In Reply To ..]guess you misunderstood the nuance
Crickets...Why no comments about forcing Muslims - to go against their faith or Amish
[ In Reply To ..]and sue them or force them to participate in "non-Amish" events or "non-Muslims events" for gays? Why only Christians?
Notice not one post said anything about the Muslims and their stand against gays, for forcing Muslims to partake in gay marriages. Typical Liberal crickets on that issue.
Pretty easy to see where the discrimination is and why.
Amish, most Christians & Muslims aren't complaining they feel forced to cater gay - weddings. Ergo the point
[ In Reply To ..]Christian extremists are the only ones complaining. Not to mention, Muslims and the Amish are not the typical "go to" businesses for non-amish Christian-style wedding catering in the first place.
Left extremist the ones complaining. FIND ONE instance - of Muslims being sued to partake
[ In Reply To ..]in gay marriage ceremony preparation in any capacity..."ergo the point".
Only Christians discriminated against.
Keep spinning, though, you continually underscore that only the Christian faith is attacked and discriminated against.
I can't find where such a lawsuit exists in Indiana as the basis for the new law? - seriously, not being sarcastic
[ In Reply To ..]Is there a lawsuit between a gay couple and a bakery in Indiana a the basis for this law being passed? I see lawsuits in other states over that, but I don't see that in Indiana. If so and I missed that, I apologize. If not, then the left nor anyone else forced anyone in Indiana to pass this law.
As for the rest, I admit, I don't understand your point, I'm sorry.
Here we go again. Nothing was said about only the "NEW" - law. The point again is
[ In Reply To ..]the ONLY faith ever sued for not participating in a gay marriage, in any capacity, because of their faith beliefs were Christians. Christians are the ONLY faith expected to put aside their beliefs to participate in something that clearly is against their religion.
Cannot make it any clearer than that. NO ONE stands up to Muslims pushing gays around, or sues them because of how the Muslim faith treats gays.
P.S. Law suits against Christians not only in - Indiana
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See what ur saying but let's be clear. No such lawsuit exists in Indiana that forced new law - which is the thread topic
[ In Reply To ..]I honestly got confused, thought I must've missed where this started over a pending lawsuit with a bakery in Indiana or something, seriously, no joke. If that had been the case, I's see your point. But it didn't happen in Indiana, it happened in Seattle, Washington. Nobody in Indiana is suing a bakery or any other business over this stuff. So you can't blame gays or leftists nor anyone else in entire state of Indiana for "forcing" this law but the right themselves, simply out of FEAR they might get sued for discrimination and wanting to be legally protected in advance.
Ok, I understand that at least. But not really. Because before this law, though gay marriage was legally recognized in Indiana and other states, people hadn't challenged private business yet until some idiots decided to sue over it and push for law. There was no precedent law set. So why not wait for the results of those lawsuits in other states where people ARE forcing the issue before passing pre-emptive law? Because forcing this issue by passing law by the right looks just as "forced." And passing law actually makes it easier for people to sue, not less, even take it to the Supreme Court.
I understand what you're saying about Christian extremists being the only ones sued, that's true, but my point was, maybe Christian extremists are the only ones refusing to serve people on this basis? And the reason I can't find a single case where American Muslims or Amish were sued is because I can't find a single case where American Muslims or Christian Amish ever refused to serve gays anyway, much less complained about feeling forced to, in ANY state. Then again, I'm not sure gays would go to muslims or the amish for catering anyway. Don't think we're going to agree on this one, sorry.
Good Grief! Read the whole stinking thread - Done with this endless spin
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Just because you're incapable of defending your point of view... - different poster
[ In Reply To ..]...does not mean that anyone else is "spinning" anything.
Defended repeatedly. See you picked up at - attack against Christians. A different different
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but you're not Amish so I wouldn't say "we" as if you are Amish - Truthhurts
[ In Reply To ..]True Amish do not use electricity or modern tools of the 21st century including cell phones, cars, etc. They do not associate with people not of their background. They do own businesses but target their own.
Sorry, I am Christian and so are the Amish. WE sell to everyone - without discrimination
[ In Reply To ..]Better?
What gay weddings have Amish participated in? - Sources please
[ In Reply To ..]What gay marriages have Amish performed?
What gay receptions have Amish cooked for?
What gay receptions have Amish provided reception facilities for?
Again, you are twisting what OP wrote. You cannot provide any reliable sources that states Amish were SUED to provide these services against their faith beliefs, as gays have done to Christians.
Keep up the spin though - with every one of your posts you continue to prove the discrimination against Christians by the gays.
This issue has already been addressed - here
[ In Reply To ..]http://general.mtstars.com/409849.html
Nope, it has not - ...
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Ever watch - Amish Mafia?
[ In Reply To ..]they aren't as squeaky clean as they would have us believe.
because Reality TV is never fake. - whatever
[ In Reply To ..]Even if any of that show were true, that does not represent all or even most Amish, even in the show itself. Of course they sin, just like we do, though. Not sure why there's a need to find dirt on and smear the Amish now but OK
That belongs on the one bringing the Amish into this in the - first place - that's where the blame belongs
[ In Reply To ..]Not on the ones answering.
Where would some "Christians" be without their persecution mentality? - sm
[ In Reply To ..]There are laws in every state of the Union against assault, physical abuse, and killing of anyone, including one's spouse, regardless of race, creed, religion, color, etc. Left wingers do not differentiate: Killers are killers, spousal abusers are spousal abusers, and so on.
Anyone of any faith who is looking for specific laws against certain groups is going to be disappointed with "left wing extremists" or the left wing in general for that matter. Left wingers don't like labels because labels divide people into classes, but anyone who believes that left wingers are not equal opportunity enforcers has not been paying very good attention.
As I said, killers are killers. That includes people like Jim Jones and his Christian ilk with the laced Kool-Aid and Osama bin Laden and his Muslim ilk with their hijacked commercial airliners used as projectile weapons.
Osama bin Laden is fish food, and we're bombing ISIL...... no labels required.
Ask the Liberals...they are way ahead on that score - ...
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How so? - ? (nm)
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Bingo! - nm
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Bingo! - sm
[ In Reply To ..]I'm definitely seeing that persecution complex on this very board. Meanwhile, the LGBT community is being persecuted for who they are by bad laws such as the one signed by Gov. Pence.
Jim Jones was not a Christian.... - he was mentally ill...
[ In Reply To ..]It's misconceptions such as this that the non-Christians use to paint a picture of all Christians.
Wow--you don't even see it - sm
[ In Reply To ..]Jim Jones was "mentally ill," but Osama bin Laden was just a true Muslim follower of Islam?
ALL extremists, both sides, are mentally ill. The problem is that many are heading towards those extremes, Christian and Muslim alike. Westboro, Fundamentalists on the Christian side, ISIS and Al-Qaeda (bin Laden) types for the Muslims.
Yes, Jim Jones was a Christian - sm
[ In Reply To ..]I think many Christians feel a lot better about themselves by merely labeling Jim Jones mentally ill and not "one of us" because that's so much easier than admitting that some Christians do some non-Christian things in the name of religion. I am a Christian, and I can assure you that I was not trying to paint a picture of all Christians with what I wrote there, exactly the opposite actually. I was just merely showing that every religion has their share of killers and "bad actors" and that liberals would not blame Christianity or Islam or other Christians or Muslims for the actions of some....... killers are killers.
Liberals wouldn't blame all Muslims for the actions of bin Laden or ISIL any more than they would blame Christians for the actions of Jim Jones, David Koresh, Sun Myung Moon, Matthew Hale, Marshall Herff Applewhite, or Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptist Church.
Jim Jones and those others are Christians. Putting a crazy label on them is easy. Realizing that people who share your faith do things that are not Christ like involves introspection and admission. Christ would not shun a leper or a prostitute. The vicar of Christ on Earth is not refusing to serve gays. He is doing what Christ would do.
Americans enjoy religious freedom and legally have since 1791. The Supreme Court is widely expected to hand down a decision mid year that legalizes gay marriage so therefore many Republican governors are trying to get laws in place now. The GOP is famous for this politicizing of religion to frighten their base and get their base agitated and active, but it is 2015 now, and they're not going to get away with justifying hate, bigotry, and intolerance on religious grounds any longer.
Since most of them truly worship at the alter of money, the foolish political demagoguery is over now.
I'm an atheist but I agree with you 100% - Calling spades spades
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"Participating" - Empirelady
[ In Reply To ..]A business is not "participating" in a wedding unless they are actually attending as guests or the wedding party. A business is simply performing a service to a customer. The couple isn't looking for a "blessing" from their vendors. More likely than not, if a customer feels hostility toward them from a proprietor, they'll go elsewhere, and rightly so as that would be extremely poor business practice. Out and out denying them service because of who they are as human beings is a whole different kettle of fish.
I agree with the Amish being a good example (though there are many, many businesses who actually follow a nonjudgmental approach). Do you think they ask each and every customer who orders their furniture, say a bed frame, how they are going to use it? No, of course not. That would be silly.
It's quite simple. Either a for-profit business is open to the public, or it isn't. If one wants to discriminate, then they need to have a private club where only approved members can use their services. Otherwise, we're right back to the Woolworth lunchroom counter days.
One cannot compare no shirt, no shoes, no service (sanitary reasons) to denying someone because they were born the way they were. Doing such indicates one thinks God made a mistake in creating that human being. Personally, I don't think He makes mistakes, but that's just me. Being gay is not a choice. They are who God created them to be.
Christians = the American ISIS. - Bullies, terrorists, liars.
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Not all Christians, just the very far right fundamentalists who...nm. - liberal Christian
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Pence Used Private Email Account For Indiana BusinessMar 03, 2017
"Vice President Mike Pence used a private e-mail account that was later compromised while he served as governor of Indiania, his office confirmed Thursday." From a news brief in today's Denver Post. Please do not say there are no national security issues involved because terrorism exists in the states as well. "The paper reported that Pence used the account to conduct government business including corresponding about potentially sensitive issues....." (Indianapolis Star) ...
Mike Pence's Own Website, 2000: "Ryan White Funding Only Towards Those Seeking Mar 31, 2015
"Congress should support the reauthorization of the Ryan White Care Act only after completion of an audit to ensure that federal dollars were no longer being given to organizations that celebrate and encourage the types of behaviors that facilitate the spreading of the HIV virus. Resources should be directed toward those institutions which provide assistance to those seeking to change their sexual behavior" http://web.archive.org/web/20010519165033fw_/http://cybertext.net/pence/issues.html Loo ...
Hmmm....Feb 11, 2012
VR transcribed: Complaint is all gone as it is eating on her left breast. Dictated: Complains of edema on her left breast. ...
Hmmm...Nov 03, 2010
At the top right hand corner of page 17 of the New York Post, January 24, 2009, was a column entitled, "Replacing Michelle" in the National Review, The Week. Here it is below as it appeared: "Some employees are simply irreplaceable. Take Michelle Obama: The University of Chicago Medical center hired her in 2002 to run 'programs for community relations, neighborhood outreach, volunteer recruitment, staff diversity and minority contracting'. In 2005 the hospital raised her sala ...
Hmmm.....Obama Considering Military ActionMar 07, 2011
been attacked. Human rights violations going on? Yup...they were in Iraq too. O-m-g...could this be *gasp* NATION-BUILDING if we go in?? Inserting ourselves into the politics of another nation? O-M-G...could it be about OIL???? But how CAN it be? Bush is not President (lol). Will be interesting to see how this is spun if NATO decides to enter Libya militarily....lest we forget, many NATO nations went with us into Iraq...and then there was rumor of ...
Hmmm, I Just Mentioned This The Other Day... Santorum Open ToAug 05, 2013
but I'm smiling of course. For heavens' sake just don't choose him in the primary, though. Even if he'd be a sure loss if he did somehow make it, that's way too close to the presidency to even joke about. "The idea that the Crusades and the fight of Christendom against Islam is somehow an aggression on our part is absolutely anti-historical. And that is what the perception is by the American Left who hates Christendom. ... What I'm talking about is onward Ame ...
"Hamilton" Actor Harasses Pence On Stage, Nov 19, 2016
Vice President-elect Mike Pence took in the hit Broadway hip-hop musical “Hamilton” last night in New York City. As you could imagine, he was booed when he entered the theater in the deep blue state. But it gets worse. The performers actually took a stance against Pence, as well. For real. The vice president-elect was greeted with a mix of cheers and jeers as he entered, and exited, “Hamilton.” And in between, he received a lecture from Brandon Dixon, who plays Aaron Burr in ...
Liberal Signs Inciting Violence...go Figure...hmmmApr 24, 2010
Lots of threatening posters below along with burning life size dolls of PRESIDENT Bush. In recent weeks, the media have focused a lot of attention on anti-Obama signs showing up at town hall meetings and Tea Parties from coast to coast. Without a doubt, some of them cross the line of decency. However, the press's outrage is quite different than what happened when protesters carried offensive signs threatening former PRESIDENT George W. Bush. To refresh the memory of the conveniently amnesia ...