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Guardian Leaker ID'd
Posted: Jun 9, 2013
The individual responsible for one of the most significant leaks in US political history is Edward Snowden, a 29-year-old former technical assistant for the CIA and current employee of the defence contractor Booz Allen Hamilton. Snowden has been working at the National Security Agency for the last four years as an employee of various outside contractors, including Booz Allen and Dell.
The Guardian, after several days of interviews, is revealing his identity at his request. From the moment he decided to disclose numerous top-secret documents to the public, he was determined not to opt for the protection of anonymity. "I have no intention of hiding who I am because I know I have done nothing wrong," he said.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/edward-snowden-nsa-whistleblower-surveillance
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This guy is nothing but a yellow-bellied coward. - sm
[ In Reply To ..]From your article:
"On May 20, he boarded a flight to Hong Kong, where he has remained ever since. He chose the city because "they have a spirited commitment to free speech and the right of political dissent", and because he believed that it was one of the few places in the world that both could and would resist the dictates of the US government."
Oh, yeah, right. China has long been known for its "spirited commitment to free speech and the right of political dissent." I have to wonder how the families of the Tiananmen Square victims feel about all that "right of political dissent."
This man is nothing but an American traitor who apparently wishes more terror attacks on America. He deserves the death penalty, and then I would like to spit on his grave.
He's no hero. He's a total ZERO.
And I'm a proud lilberal.
he's very full of himself and a narcissist for sure, but what - worries me is
[ In Reply To ..]I heard an interview with Greenwald from the Guardian this morning and he said that Snowden gave him a whole bunch of classified stuff and the people at the Guardian went through it and only published the "safe" stuff and withheld things that would compromise national security.
So is the Guardian in possession of a whole bunch of top secret documents that could compromise national security? Are they vetted at the Guardian? How do we know they aren't infiltrated by terrorists or may sell info to the highest bidder?
Snowden's interview was really disgusting. He was just so proud of himself with that crazed, "look what I did, I'm bigger than the government" grin.
I think this Snowden guy is in a heap of trouble, and he IS a coward. I wish him the same fate as you.
Believe me, I seriously share your concerns. - sm
[ In Reply To ..]This guy apparently promised to give even more info up. He needs to be "droned."
He's nothing but a traitor, and I believe death by hanging might be appropriate for him.
Wow! I'd be interested to - know
[ In Reply To ..]if it's the RWers or LWers think Mr. Snowden should be "terminated" without due process. Would you like to kill his entire family as well, just so everyone gets the message that no one dares disclose government secrets?
I am kind of surprised that everyone is so "outraged" or surprised that the gvt is keeping tabs on us, especially since 9/11 and probably since the beginning of time for that matter. Computers, cell phones and pretty much everything else in the modern world lends itself to this, like it or not. Big Brother has been watching for quite some time now.
Everything you wrote is true. As far as "without - sm
[ In Reply To ..]due process," he not only ADMITTED what he did, but he's PROUD of it, and said that he would reveal more secrets.
I am a liberal, and, yes, I believe he should be lynched and hung in a public crowd with everyone cheering on the hanging.
The fact that he thinks China is so great gives you an indication of what a traitor he is. Their freedom of speech and politically friendly climate to protest, as he alleges is available in China -- when did all THAT ever happen?
Simply put, he is a VERY PROUD self-professed traitor who is more than happy to give up even more secrets than he already has, and MORE innocent United States citizens might wind up dead as a result of his lack of PATRIOTISM.
I have to wonder if he is involved with either the republican party (so they can try to play the "Blame Obama Game" some more) or Israel somehow. It wouldn't be the first time someone from Israel gave away -- sold, rather -- United States' secrets.
Come on, republicans. Are you still as "patriotic" as you and a large part of the country were under Bush?
Or is another terror attack the very thing NEEDED by you in order to blame/impeach/spit on President Obama (again and again and again)? That could be the very thing the republican party needs before 2014. It wouldn't surprise me if they strike a false flag "terror attack." We could blame it on al Qaeda again, since McCain wants to give them American weapons in Syria.
Yeah...something like that would help the waning republican party very much indeed.
Sorry, made a mistake. Hit the "like" button because of the first - Truthhurts
[ In Reply To ..]four paragraphs, until I saw #5 and the rest.
Your post started out to be a discussion but then evolved into hatred for republicans again.
You just can't give up the hatred, can you? I find that disgusting.
There is no discussion with you nor any debate unless it's hatred, so please do me a favor. Use that same moniker all the time so I can avoid your posts. I don't want to waste my time on hate posts any more.
Now be a good little girl and report this post 'cause I. DON'T. CARE.
And ya know what? I couldn't care less what you - sm
[ In Reply To ..]think of me. The only time I laughed out loud after reading a post of yours was when you claimed to be "impartial."
As far as my moniker, I'll use whichever moniker I choose to use.
As far as "hatred," there's more than enough of that coming from the republicans on this board, and I don't even come close to equaling that!
due process - see msg
[ In Reply To ..]admitting something does not obviate due process, and I cannot condone calls for lynching.
I believe you are wrong, according to the enclosed. - sm
[ In Reply To ..]As in any other criminal trial in the United States, a defendant charged with treason is presumed innocent until proved guilty Beyond a Reasonable Doubt. Treason may be proved by a voluntary confession in open court or by evidence that the defendant committed an Overt Act of treason. Each overt act must be witnessed by at least two people, or a conviction for treason will not stand. By requiring this type of direct evidence, the Constitution minimizes the danger of convicting an innocent person and forestalls the possibility of partisan witch-hunts waged by a single adversary.
Unexpressed seditious thoughts do not constitute treason, even if those thoughts contemplate a bloody revolution or coup. Nor does the public expression of subversive opinions, including vehement criticism of the government and its policies, constitute treason. The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution guarantees the right of all Americans to advocate the violent overthrow of their government unless such advocacy is directed toward inciting imminent lawless action and is likely to produce it (Brandenburg v. Ohio, 395 U.S. 444, 89 S. Ct. 1827, 23 L. Ed. 2d 430 [1969]). On the other hand, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the distribution of leaflets protesting the draft during World War I was not constitutionally protected speech (schenck v. united states, 249 U.S. 47, 39 S. Ct. 247, 63 L. Ed. 470 [1919]).
Because treason involves the betrayal of allegiance to the United States, a person need not be a U.S. citizen to commit treason under the Constitution. Persons who owe temporary allegiance to the United States can commit treason. Aliens who are domiciliaries of the United States, for example, can commit traitorous acts during the period of their domicile. A subversive act does not need to occur on U.S. soil to be punishable as treason. For example, Mildred Gillars, a U.S. citizen who became known as Axis Sally, was convicted of treason for broadcasting demoralizing propaganda to Allied forces in Europe from a Nazi radio station in Germany during World War II.
Treason is punishable by death. If a death sentence is not imposed, defendants face a minimum penalty of five years in prison and a $10,000 fine (18 U.S.C.A. § 2381). A person who is convicted of treason may not hold federal office at any time thereafter.
nope - msg
[ In Reply To ..]Perhaps there is confusion about what "due process" means. If we are using phrases like 1) criminal trial, 2) innocent until proven guilty, and 3) open court, we are talking about due process.
What we are talking about is a very proud CONFESSION. - nm
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doesn't matter - msg
[ In Reply To ..]Whether your confession is proud or not, in America we are sentenced by a court of law (i.e. due process). I'm not sure what you are getting at here.
What I'M getting at??!! I'm the one who POSTED - sm
[ In Reply To ..]the phrase "confession in open Court." When I say he confessed, I am most absolutely referring to due process of a "confession in open Court."
My personal opinion is that a rat like this be snuffed out like any other rat (AFTER his "confession in open Court"), but I understand this isn't an option in this particular case. Instead, Obama would prefer life in prison.
When he tells the entire world openly and happily what our Sate secrets are, our ENEMIES are also listening. Russia is considering granting him asylum. What a "find" for Russia!!
What am I getting at?
What are YOU getting at?
I don't understand why you are shouting - nm
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you still seem very confused - YD
[ In Reply To ..]Do you not understand what "court" means? It does not mean confessing from your front porch, on a blog, or to the Guardian. Due process = arrest, evidence, trial before a jury of peers, verdict, and possible appeals if found guilty.
"voluntary confession in open court" - sm - YD
[ In Reply To ..]Did I miss his trial? I don't think so. Due process is a very, very big right. I'm disappointed to see so many folks on this board not only ignoring it, but calling for death and lynching.
due process - msg
[ In Reply To ..]It's typical for some to want to ignore due process. What I find alarming is the fact that some posters here obviously don't understand what due process is - like the poster above who copied parts of the constitution in an effort to demonstrate that treason somehow is immune from due process.
I'm sorry, but if it comes to the safety of my - sm
[ In Reply To ..]family and friends, then I feel the need to squash this dangerous man as I would a deadly insect!
And, yes, "voluntary confession in open court" is what needs to heppen. A long time ago, when people cared about this country, the standard punishment for leaking State secrets was DEATH. I hear the Obama administration is more inclined to put him in jail for life. That would be fine with me, as well.
whatever punishment is meted out will be determined by - a court of law
[ In Reply To ..]a sentence of death is not inconsistent with due process.
I understand that, and I actually "liked" your - sm
[ In Reply To ..]post for that reason. However, from what I HEAR, the government is more inclined to seek life in prison.
You know, in all honesty, I need to apologize for my intense fury yesterday. The truth of the matter is I only had 2-1/2 hours of sleep the night before, I have adult-diagnosed cystic fibrosis, and as a result of that, my pancreas, after hundreds of attacks (and 15 hospitalizations for ten days or more), has "died," and I have just discovered that I have diabetes. Right now, I think I'm more angry at my own situation than anything.
However, treason used to be a very serious thing in this country.
But, all in all, I agree with your posts. Due process and swift justice are SUPPOSED to be what this country is all about. I believe the prisoners of Guantamino (sp?) should have, 12 YEARS ago, been tried and either convicted or found not guilty and released.
sorry about your situation - nm
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Please see message. - sm
[ In Reply To ..]Thank you for saying that, but it still doesn't let ME off the hook for being so bitter and angry.
Today is a much better day for me, and I might even come around to your point of view (not about due process; I already agree with you about that), but today is a much "kinder and gentler" me. LOL.
Again, I apologize for my previous posts, and thank you for remaining calm and reminding me what "classy" looks like.
we all feel angry sometimes...hang in there. - : ) nm
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Disgusting - just saying
[ In Reply To ..]You are ready to have this guy killed without so much as due process. Guess you forgot about the concept of innocent until proven guilty...
and this guy isn't even charged (yet).
please don't call yourself a liberal - its insulting to real liberals.
just saying - Roseanne
[ In Reply To ..]It was someone masquerading as a liberal. I have never heard opinions like that expressed by any liberal I know. The "coward, traitor, lynch him at dawn" reeks of mob mentality, but no good wingnut could possibly pass up the opportunity to try to whip up a frenzy.
The ability to self deceive is one of the defining qualities of human beings...SM - miller
[ In Reply To ..]we carry the seeds of our own destruction.
I want to know what the govt is doing to it's own citizens.
Yellow-bellied coward? Yeah I'll bet he has - cooties too. LOL - sm
[ In Reply To ..]I have not heard the term yellow-bellied coward since I was in grammar school. Which is where I feel this post was written.
I am a proud American citizen. Neither liberal or conservative. Just plain old proud American citizen. When it comes to right and wrong, good and evil I choose right and good. If someone is doing something bad I want to know about it. Especially if they abusing the system or using taxpayers money to do wrong. Doesn't matter who is doing it. I feel the American people have a right to know what is going on. Especially what their money is being spent on. That's the way this country functions or is supposed to function.
According to your post I suppose you feel that if some turned Al Copone in to the authorities he should have gone right up and told him so. Uh yeah, can you imagine what Capone would have done to him? Of course he didn't stick around. Who would?
Whether the man is a traitor or hero is different for everyone. What this has done has exposed the people who are doing the wrong doing. For someone to risk their lives because they love the country so much and doesn't want to see the wrong to keep going in my book is a hero.
Your words of spitting on someone's grave is so bone chilling evil I can't even begin to tell you. Makes the hair on my neck stand up to think there are people like that in this country that only care that it has exposed their favorite sports team for what they are doing.
If you are proud of yourself for spewing evil words like that, then don't know what to tell you. Thank goodness there are other liberals who have the sense to know right from wrong. There are few liberals that scrape the bottom of the barrel. Congrats for putting yourself in with them.
The Sarge
Something just doesn't smell right about this whole story. - sm
[ In Reply To ..]Is he a mole? Has he been promised a big payoff by someone(s) hoping to gain politically? A double agent maybe? Stay tuned.
I couldn't agree with you more!!! - sm
[ In Reply To ..]They need to STOP "outsourcing" to private contractors who hire subcontractors, and they need to keep it a government agency.
Look how Blackwater took advantage of the USA under Bush.
Some things just SHOULDN'T be farmed out to unknown people, and national security is one of those things!
But you are definitely right on the money with your post, and I'm anxious to find out just who this traitor is.
doesn't smell right - Roseanne
[ In Reply To ..]It's way beyond me why so many are going off on this guy :-( Because he's intelligent and articulate he's "full of himself"? I personally applaud the man for his courage.
You might stop and think about the things we see in this profession that are "disturbing".
This man has put every single American citizen - A Liberal
[ In Reply To ..]in jeopardy of losing their LIVES by giving away our secrets to our enemies!!! That includes YOU and YOUR family, as well.
That's treason, which is a very SERIOUS crime, and he promises to leak more secrets about our security to the world again!
I agree with the poster that said this doesn't smell right, because it doesn't.
He runs away -- like the coward he is -- to COMMUNIST CHINA, where he states that he has more rights than he has HERE!
He is out to destroy this country and kill its citizens, and you're okay with that?!!
As far as I'm concerned, if it will prevent another 9/11, I have NO problem at all with someone either listening to my phone calls or even monitoring what I write on this board. I just don't want another terror attack to happen, and I'm willing to give the government the power to surveil me all they want. I have nothing to hide.
american citizens - Roseanne
[ In Reply To ..]Neither the president nor Congress has the right revoke the fourth amendment. Both the fourth and the fifth amendments have been shredded without any hearing, debates or any real dissent. You state you are okay with that. Well, I'm not and I at this point I can't even address the ridiculousness of your post. Take your chill pill and think twice about "giving the government" the right to interfere in your privacy. While you're at it, just go ahead and get the chip implanted.
Perfect example - just saying
[ In Reply To ..]re: As far as I'm concerned, if it will prevent another 9/11, I have NO problem at all with someone either listening to my phone calls or even monitoring what I write on this board.
are you serious?!!!
You know what would have prevented the FIRST 911? For starters, the Bush administered not ignoring the many credible warnings that an attach was imminent.
How easily Americans are scared into believing the lies that the media and the government spew.
I have to agree with the above posters. Especially kudos to Roseanne - annieb - sm
[ In Reply To ..]This young man has not put any American citizen in jeopardy of losing their lives. Get a grip!
I watched an interview with Vladimir Putin. He said there is nothing this young man said that they didn't already know.
Many are hailing this young man as a hero. He put the best interested of the country before his own life.
You are going off and I have to agree with everyone who said you need to take some meds. You're okay without having any privacy. So you'd be okay if they assigned a guard to your home, slept in a bed in your own bedroom, listened to all your conversations, read all your emails, determining what you can and cannot say.
It's not a matter of whether or not you have anything to hide. It's a matter of people invading the privacy of regular citizens who have done nothing wrong.
My kudos to Roseanne, AlphaBetaCharlie, and just sayin. You said exactly what I feel.
He's a hero! - just saying
[ In Reply To ..]Could people REALLY not understand that if no one exposed some of the truths about this government - and what crimes it commits with YOUR tax dollars - just how easily our 'freedoms' would disappear?
I am astonished at the naivete and willful ignorance and how quickly some people forget the blatent lies exposed as recently as the Iraq war.
PATRIOTS stand up for their COUNTRY against a corrupt government. Long live the Ellsworth's, Snowden's, Mannings, etc.
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