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Do you think we need to invest in science?
Posted: Feb 15, 2013
Apparently the asteroid that is supposed to pass very close to Earth today was discovered by a dentist last year who has astronomy as a hobby. Did you see the destruction the meterorite caused in Russia? Do you think it is the job of big government to take care of us? Just wondering.
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We do invest in science ?? - Fairminded
[ In Reply To ..]We need to invest more in education because the US is waaayyyy behind compared to other advanced nations, but we do invest in science.
Discoveries are made frequently by nonscientists... and frankly there is little any government could do if we were hit by sizeable meteorite(s)-
Do you think this is not monitored by governments around the world already? Just wondering.
It is the job of *any* government to protect its citizens to the best of its ability.
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[ In Reply To ..]"NASA wants your help to search for killer asteroids
Mission to satellite in near-Earth orbit needs more observational data than NASA can supply"
By Kevin Fogarty April 20, 2012, 2:51 PM — Ever since the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence pioneered really, really distributed computing by distributing a screensaver that would download tiny problems in radio-telescope data analysis personal computers could finish while the user was away, IT has been a kind of volunteer number cruncher for the space program.
Though NASA usually has a good enough budget and odd enough requirements not to have to ask ordinary citizens for help with its calculations, the budget has been shrinking and number of near-Earth space objects has been growing, both to the point that NASA could use a little help.
It just launched a program called " Target Asteroids!" that is designed to recruit amateur astronomers to help find new asteroids and confirm the trajectories of old ones in time for the launch of a probe that will visit and take samples from an asteroid in near Earth orbit.
The probe mission, called OSIRIS-REx (Origins Spectral Interpretation Resource Identification Security – Regolith Explorer), is scheduled to take off during 2016 for a trip to the asteroid 1999 RQ36, which it wil reach sometime in 2019.
" Target Asteroids!" (which has to lose that exclamation point or risk being dismissed as suspicious by both spam filters and skeptical IT-brain filters) will provide data on the target asteroid and those OSIRIS-REx will pass close to so the more detailed data from the probe can be compared to observations available from Earth.
To participate you need a telescope at least 8 inches in diameter, a color-coordinated digital camera and a computer with Internet connection and free astronomy software the project can supply. Or, if you can rent or borrow time on a remote-telescope site, that's OK, too, the project's FAQ said.
Here's a list of some of the near-Earth objects that will be examined, and a little more complete data-source with more information about "minor" planets you might want to keep an eye on.
There's no hint that 199 RQ36 will be a dinosaur killer, or that it will even pass close to the earth as a 1,300-foot-wide rock did in November or another will do next February, passing closer to Earth than some of our own satellites.
Here is a pretty good ear witness video of meteorite hit - Ka-Boom
[ In Reply To ..]http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2013/02/15/16972914-from-space-with-love-meteor-over-russia#comments
Wow! That was pretty amazing. - thanks
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(why dislike?) - nm
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Knee-jerky reaction for saying thank you to someone who posted a - link to Maddow
[ In Reply To ..]That's my guess.
thanks - ...
[ In Reply To ..]And here I was, interested in a global scientific phenomenon. Oh well. I didn't even consider that someone would be so small-minded as to dislike my post for that reason. I thought they were mad at meteors or something!
Meteors are are good... Maddow is bad! lol Makes sense, don't it? - Helper Monkey
[ In Reply To ..]I'm here for all your winger translation needs.
OK, I'll bite. What do you mean? - sm
[ In Reply To ..]you might get more responses to your post if we had a better idea of what you are trying to say. It's hard to tell if you are taking issue with science, government, or both. Could you tell us what you mean?
Trying to make a point and make people *think* - sm
[ In Reply To ..]My point, this is potentially a huge catastrophe that could happen virtually anytime. I do not think this was predicted. What if it would have hit St. Louis, Missouri, or New York City, or Mayberrty? What would the reaction be if it happened on President Obama's watch? We are relying on dentists to alert us and if we had an alert, what could be done?
Now, think. Will private business address this issue? How would that look on their balance sheet/end-of-year bonus?
Just saying.
Do you really think we are "relying" on dentists? - Fairminded
[ In Reply To ..]"We are relying on dentists to alert us..."
just wondering...
Yup, pretty much. Prove me wrong. - nm - Sitting duck
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Dear Duck - Fairminded
[ In Reply To ..]prove what wrong? that YOU "think" we are relying on dentists?
Why would I take any time to try to refute something YOU believe?
Rhetorical question: I have to get off this page LOL
Feeling is mutual. - - no problem
[ In Reply To ..]My mind could easily be changed on this by facts. I would sleep much better. Counting ducks--quack!
Only the 'facts' you choose to accept... - Fairminded
[ In Reply To ..]very obvious by your posts that you do *not* seek to be informed by any position other than your own. ;)
easily done - doe
[ In Reply To ..]Courtesy of NASA
Who predicted the meteorite that hit Russia? - No early warning system.
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I thought this was about dentists - doe
[ In Reply To ..]You're right, though. It appears this was a surprise galactic event.
Yep, it was a small meteorite that even a dentist couldn't have detected. - a lib
[ In Reply To ..]I'm loath to go back through these posts and try to figure out who said what since the OP didn't maintain a consistent moniker or use "OP" in subsequent posts, but if they're the one who said: "What if it would have hit St. Louis, Missouri, or New York City, or Mayberrty?", then they are apparently confusing the asteroid (large enough to be discovered by a dentist), which did not hit, with the meteorite (too small to be tracked) that did.
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I guess I'm just not getting it - doe
[ In Reply To ..]I hear your questions, but I'm really not sure what you are asking us to think about.
This meteoroid has been closly tracked for over a year. We watch for this stuff all the time. The fact that an amateur astronomer spotted it does not mean we are relying on dentists to do surveillance. There are a lot of eyes pointed upward. You can think of it as one big astronomical neighborhood watch.
During World War II, they trained kids to identify various enemy aircraft. Lots of kids had assigned duty for this. No one thought we were "relying" on children to prevent an enemy attack.
This was known to be a small meteor that would break up in the atmosphere, which it did, 20-30 miles over the earth.
As for how we would react if this happened on "Obama's watch," I'm not sure what you mean. I imagine that faced with a catastrophe, under any administration, we would try to throw as much technology at it as possible, be it government or private.
I have no idea about balance sheets or end-of-year bonuses. Again, I'm not quite sure what you mean.
First - This meteorite is not the asteroid - Second
[ In Reply To ..]The asteroid makes its pass by Earth today at about 2:30 EST. The meteorite that injured 1,000 people in Siberia this morning was untracked, as far as I see. these are unconnected events.
My comment about Obama's Watch is relative to the history of how the Republicans have played all sides with nothing reality based. For instance, the BP oil spill. Here is a huge environmental disaster. Most of the Republicans were blaming Obama for the laxity of BP, a government cover-up, etc. Then they turn around and say Obama is inhibiting job growth by slowing the off-shore drilling permitting process.
Bush let the Twin Towers be attacked when he had plenty of warning. The Republicans are still making a huge deal over Benghazi, but the Republican House refused to approve the State Department budget requests.
Perhaps if the CEOs can figure out a way to hold people hostage over a prospective asteroid or meteorite hit, they will put some money into preventive research and development.
I guess you have to see the bigger picture. Sorry to confuse you.
well... - doe
[ In Reply To ..]First and second, I understand that the meteorite was not the asteroid, and that the two are unrelated. I was incorrect in thinking this meteorite was tracked. It was not. My fail.
Thanks for explaining the point about Obama and the GOP. I agree with you about the duplicitous actions from the right.
As far as CEOs holding us hostage over the prospect of a meteorite hit, I can't see that happening. There certainly would not be a lot of profit in it.
As for your last paragraph: You did not confuse me. I found you oblique.
Well - sm
[ In Reply To ..]I did juxtapose my thoughts in order to make the point. It was a dentist who discovered the asteroid using a Walmart telescope, I believe. Thank goodness for Walmart and dentists.
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