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Do you Trumpeters really like
Posted: Mar 24, 2017
the health care plan your hero is trying to push through. Have you already forgotten him saying the Republican plan would provide health care for all with better coverage and lower premiums. I guess he forgot about 24 million people.
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Absolutely - peanutbuttercookie
[ In Reply To ..]And I have my fingers crossed it passes. Obamacare is a joke and I've had to go without health coverage because of it with it's high premiums and high deductibles, and oh wait....the nice little penalty pushed on us if we don't have it. Good riddance.
Curious - Resist Trump
[ In Reply To ..]What makes you think you will have lower premiums and lower deductibles - that is, if you have any coverage at all.
None of that matters to someone getting subsidized under - really do not care what the rest of us have to pay
[ In Reply To ..]I agree Obamacare is a joke. I used to pay cash for my medical (except for hospitalization, which is really what insurance used to be) but now it's gone up so much I can't afford it. The penalty (tax) is also unconstitutional. Don't get me started....
If we can't repeal, then let Obamacare self immolate. - It was designed to fail, it is failing
[ In Reply To ..]let it fail.
The only thing that will save our credit based and collapsing, culture/economy is draconian austerity. And ALL austerity measures will hurt most people most. Nobody has the will to do what must be done, so down we will go.
The more socialized govt intervention in medicine we have the less the market determines the price, so the higher the prices will go. No competition. Those who don't have to pay and get subsidized don't care. I've never seen a govt program once begun go away.
Single payer - Resist Trump
[ In Reply To ..]works in every other industrialized country but ours. They pay less for health care and have better results. Free market health care will never work because there is not going to be any competition among profit-driven insurers for the old, the poor and the sick.
Hurrah! - Well said
[ In Reply To ..]every other industrialized country but not ours, AND some third-world countries too... even they have universal healthcare. Why would anybody resist this idea?
Why? - Resist Trump
[ In Reply To ..]because they are scared of "socialism."
You're right...they're afraid of what they - don't understand.. nm
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Spare us the self-righteous, self-serving - know it all attitude, especially
[ In Reply To ..]from those so uninformed on the left.
so please - Nn
[ In Reply To ..]inform us. How'd that vote go today?
Lack of content here says a lot - Nm
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$$$ insurance companies own this situation... - Up and down
[ In Reply To ..]Anthem CEO made $17M last year. WTH does anyone or any group get paid that kind of money? How is health insurance industry defensible?
No it doesn't. That is why the other countries that have it - are coming here.
[ In Reply To ..]They are not getting the health care they need often appointments scheduled years before they can see a doctor, get the specialized care they need. It doesn't work in Canada and other countries and they are even stating that.
Single payer is not going to keep your rates down, what it will do is it will be monopolized, you will have no choices. You will have to go to who they say, when they say it and they will determine whether or not you will get the meds and services you need. That is what is happening in the single payer plans. You have no choice. Then they raise the rates and you have no options. This is why Obamadoesn'tcare has not worked and has been a complete failure.
Maybe you are satisfied with having no options and no control over your health care. Many of us are not.
Free market health care is the ONLY solution. It is the ONLY system that will work. If I can choose between X, Y, and Z company and Y and Z company knows I will choose X because I get better rates, better services, affordable meds and get my appointments when I need them then Y and Z are going to offer better services to stay in business. Older, poor and sick/pre-existing conditions are going to benefit. If Y and Z doesn't offer services for them they will lose business because X will. It's a win-win situation for everyone.
This is why the countries who have single payer insurance is advising us not to go down that route. It doesn't work for them. Thinking it will work for us when it isn't for them is like banging your head against the wall expecting a different outcome...definition of insanity.
It is really pretty simple and doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand how the system works.
You are simply wrong - Old and burned out
[ In Reply To ..]It is a myth perpetrated by the insurance industry that Canadians are coming here; they are not. Perhaps the very rich who don't want to wait for elective procedures do it but the vast majority are happy with their system. We spend far more on health care than the other countries and our outcomes are not nearly as good and - it's a big and - we do not cover all our citizens. People in other countries do not go bankrupt because of medical bills. Free market has never worked for older, sicker people; that is why we got Medicare. In the free market, only the 1% would be able to afford the premiums. Not only that, one of the free market tricks to deny care was to say there was not full disclosure, even if the illness or test was totally unrelated to the claim. Thus, if you developed cancer and they found out that you omitted a high blood sugar count somewhere in the past, they could and would deny you coverage. You can keep dreaming about a great free market system if you like but I challenge you to show me where one exists.
YOU are simply wrong! - AGAIN AND STILL!
[ In Reply To ..]At least consistently wrong. ;)
^^Which is exactly why the Libs/Dems are always off the mark^^ - They have no truth
[ In Reply To ..]Just their fake news and Madcow.
I am still waiting - old and burned out
[ In Reply To ..]for you to point out a free market health care system that works for all citizens. Where is it?
The truth is never wrong - nm
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YOU ARE DEAD WRONG! - Former Canadian
[ In Reply To ..]I live in a border state. My relatives come to the US for care if they have to go on a long waiting list for an elective procedure.
If you are not sick...this works..... - Lol
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Basically my deductibles are so high I can't use my - coverage. I'm sure the left doesn't
[ In Reply To ..]care about people like me.
Get rid of the penalty and let people buy insurance over state lines. - When the insurance companies
[ In Reply To ..]realize people don't have to buy insurance they will lower the price to attract buyers and health insurance will significantly decrease.
No, they will lower the price - to attract buyers
[ In Reply To ..]and healthh insurance cost will decrease, but so will the value of the coverage. You will get a lousy policy from some no-name company that costs next to nothing but... it's worth what you paid for it.
Do you remember - Old and burned out
[ In Reply To ..]the rate of increase in insurance premiums before the ACA? Profit-driven insurance companies are only interested in selling policies to the young and healthy. The old, poor and sick will not be able to afford insurance and will end up in ERs which will cost more in the end.
Excuse me, the left ARE people like you - Difference is, it was that way before ACA too
[ In Reply To ..]I am really confused by those on this board who claim it was so great before.
If you are MTs, how can that be? I work for the big N, and their insurance has always been total rubbish. I have worked there for over 10 years now, well before Obamacare, and it was terrible way back then too.
The insurance premiums have never been the problem, the problem was the deductible was ALWAYS too high for me to use it and now they don't even offer the copay type thing, even with the higher premium/more comprehensive plan.
I stopped getting it after a while and went without, but then my husband got a job with better insurance, so glad for that. It still costs, but at least we have copays and not ridiculously high deductibles.
Still, what I don't get is are you talking about the MTSO insurance? Because if you are saying your ACA insurance is bad, maybe you are an IC?
I was disappointed that that portability aspect of ACA was never coming into play like they promised (and I am a hardcore Democrat!).
Initially, I compared the MTSO policy with ACA premiums where I lived, and came to the conclusion that with the subsidies (one good thing about those MTSOs halving our pay) I could get a much more comprehensive policy at a much lower price. In essence, the MTSO insurance was and still is "junk" coverage. You have to fork out so much upfront, and we know how much we have left to save/spend on medical costs ($0 in my case), so if you did indeed get a catastrophic health event you would be broke and then broker. Never changed.
The worst thing to me was when I found out that if our company offered insurance, no matter how bad, we had to take it, and that explains my disappointment. I know if you can prove the premiums are more than 9% of your income you could get the ACA, but the premiums were never the problem, it was the ridiculous and ever rising deductibles and "cost sharing" idiocy. All this "grandfathered" garbage meant no chance to change to a better and portable policy.
So all you who are crying about how bad Obamacare made it, how are you even on Obamacare?
If you are an MT, unless somehow you are one of the few still making decent $, you qualify for the subsidies. If not, is it your spouse that makes the big $?
I'm not saying you don't have a right to object, but what I always think is: I don't happen to have a family member with a life threatening disease, but if I did the ACA would be the single best thing that happened to that person. I would also be glad if I knew anyone who had a preexisting condition that would not have been covered before ACA.
Just because I don't know any or have any in my family does not mean I don't feel for them and I have to think it must be much, much better for them - life saving, in fact.
So: Do the "right" care about people like them?
Because the - wannie
[ In Reply To ..]the company he works for offers insurance that meets the ACA requirements, we aren't eligible for Marketplace insurance. Since Obamacare went into effect, our premium has gone up, our deductible has gone from 1000 a year to 8600 a year. We have lost the copayment plan that we had prior to Obamacare. The only reason we keep the insurance and not just go ahead and pay the penalty is because we do have relatively good prescription coverage with his plan. And, just for the record, my husband has had cancer twice. We're still paying every month for the treatments he had. I don't know what the answer is. I'm glad I'm not the one who has to decide on these things. The best thing any of us can do right now is to pray for wisdom for ALL of our political leaders.
I am with you, same difficulties, but - insurance companies did this
[ In Reply To ..]Not Obamacare. When they couldn't up the premiums anymore due to the requirements to make only so much profit, they decided to cut the plans in insidious ways which have no apparent goal except to discourage policy holders using the plans at all.
That is not Obamacare's intention or fault - that is on the insurance companies.
They could have implemented changes to the law to prevent this, but, I'm sorry, Republicans. Their donors are hugely insurance companies and drug companies, much more so than Democrats, and they got away with this stuff in the guise of Obamacare bad so obstruct, then collected their campaign donations.
What should be done to "fix" Obamacare is more like bringing to light why so many red states are against the expansion of Medicaid. Their reasons are specious, to say the least, diabolical in actual fact. They have the poorest and sickest constituents, yet make it very difficult for them to get decent health care and feed them on a constant diet of spite and hate and ignorance blaming Obamacare for that.
Also, they need to go back to mandating copays and lower deductibles rather than upping the deductibles so the whole point of the policy seems to be that nobody uses it because the idea of having to pay for EVERYTHING up front until you hit $2500 or whatever is absolutely to discourage participation.
Again, these things are not on Obamacare, it is because once the law was passed those nasty insurance and drug companies found ways around it to rip us off, and what we really need to do is check them and expose them and put more protections into the law.
Believe it or not, that is not restricting any freedom except the freedom those corporations now have to completely rip us off and leave us without decent healthcare, despite the intent of the law.
Exactly...and my 3 strike breast cancer MIL got ins - Finally...thru ACA
[ In Reply To ..]Insurance companies are the culprit and the 1% who are benefitting $$!....and the wannabes who think, somehow, still, that competition benefits the masses. They price fixed ya...competition only exists at an outrageously high level.
Speaking only for myself - sm
[ In Reply To ..]I'm not fond of the Ryan plan. I favor Rand Paul's plan, but even that needs work.
As far as people going without insurance, the majority of those would be the ones who choose not to be insured anymore due to Oblunder's mandate.
It will lower insurance because it eliminates covering - all the stupid things Obamacare
[ In Reply To ..]mandates. It also gets rid of the penalties. I don't think this will be the final bill, just phase 1.
Like pregnancy and mammogrsms? - Those stupid things?
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....and mental health, screening colonoscopies, - nm
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I like it. It expands HSA's, gives block grants to states, - tax credits, reduces debt.
[ In Reply To ..]I believe McClintock said many of the Price bulletpoints are in the house bill. Tax credits, block grants etc.
I know the solid percentage of people won't like anything Trump does.
What happens to those on Medicaid - Old and burned out
[ In Reply To ..]when the block grants are used up? Do we just let them die? HSAs are not going to cover the cost of insurance and the working poor having nothing to put into HSAs. What good is a tax credit to someone who pays little or not tax to begin with because they don't earn enough? This is not what Trump promised over and over again.
Yeah I do - better than anything so far - Here's an idea
[ In Reply To ..]Lets take away politician's health care. Take away their jobs/income source. Take away their mansions and put them in little apartments. Take away their cushy incomes/retirements.
Let's let them worry how they are going to afford their doctors and meds. Let them experience what it's like to not get the meedication they need or specialized treatment they need be refused by the insurance company. Let them not have a choice and then lets see how fast they come up with a good plan for us.
How many years now has this topic been discussed. At least dating back to Kennedy. Why after 40 years through republican AND democrat presidents, republican AND democrat politicians and lawyers, etc., has this not been resolved? Has anyone ever wondered that? This is not a republican versus democrat thing. Democrats have not been doing anything to help us either. Pelosi, Reid, Schumer, Ryan, McConnell, McCain, etc. NONE of them have helped us, yet they all ACT as though they care about us. Let them struggle and see how they feel. No politician/lawyer has done anything for us. It's now time to take a different approach to a system that has not worked, and especially has gotten worse over the past 8 years.
The only answer - Old and burned out
[ In Reply To ..]is single payer. Eliminate for-profit insurance companies and for-profit hospitals and there is more money for health care. The executives of these companies make hugely inflated salaries. We might have to pay for it with a VAT but isn't it worth it to know you can go to a doctor when you need one, get surgery when you need it and not go bankrupt?
Sounds more like the lie Obama told - Funny how the dems/libs/progs/commies
[ In Reply To ..]totally ignore the millions kicked off their plans and forced onto to garbage plans through Obamacare at several hundred more dollars a month.
Just another example of the endless left-extremist spin and hypocrisy.
My opinion on that is - anonon
[ In Reply To ..]that insurance companies were allowed to bow out of the plans while the customer was not without a fine. I think if the insurance companies had to participate within the Affordable Care Act that things would not have gotten so expensive in some areas of the country. I live in New Mexico and the plans that did bow out offered comparable plans at comparable prices to the ones on the marketplace, but I don't know about any other states. I just feel that if the consumer HAS to participate that the insurance companies should too!
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