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Psychopath, anyone ever known one?
Posted: Dec 8, 2013
I started to read an article this morning only because of the first line I saw which drew my attention. It was talking about seeing a red tint to someone's eyes. I don't know if that was actual or not but let me tell you what I did see one time and hope never to see again. I was out to dinner 1 night with some friends of mine. Girlfriend, her husband, some children were along. The couple was sitting across the table from me, the husband directly across from me and his wife sit to his side. The husband and I got into a disagreement about his form of child upbringing with he telling me how he raised his kids versus his trying to tell me what method I should take in disciplining the children who were with me who were my friend's children, not mine. I saw his eyes go from the usual color of blue to absolutely red, the iris part. I could not believe what I was seeing, had never saw that before or since. I know what I saw but after seeing this article can that actually play a part in a psychopath's actual makeup? ;
Can you link the article, please? - mo
[ In Reply To ..]I haven't had an experience with someone's eye changing colors, so I can't speak on that, but I would like to read the article. It sounds interesting.
Are you thinking that your friend's husband is a psychopath ?
Have no idea about this guy, have not been - Karla
[ In Reply To ..]around him but one time since and that was a time I had no clue he would be there. The lady was a good friend of mine. I had seen him perhaps 3 or 4 times prior to that time. Spent more time with her. He was usually busy working, hunting. I have no association with any psychopaths in the past so saw this article and it drew my attention because of the red eye statement. Since I posted this morning I have been all over various sites reading first 1 article and the other but cannot remember where I saw this one this morning. This woman is someone I have seen very few times since that happened. That is her husband and I was just a friend so really not wanting to cross his path again I just stepped back and quieted the friendship. I had a reason for the step back. This man is in law enforcement, carries a gun and I thought if he could get that angry about something then I did not want to be anywhere around.
Most likely what you're seeing is what photographers - call "red eye". (sm)
[ In Reply To ..]You often see it in photos taken with a flash with no red-eye reduction feature. The pupil dilates in dim light, and the retina appears red. Red-eye reduction is usually a pre-flash that causes the pupil to shrink a split second before the photo-flash happens, and voila. No red-eye.
When a person is very irate (or scared, etc.), the pupil often dilates. So what you're seeing is the retina. It's not necessarily a psychopaths-only phenomenon, it can happen to anyone who is angry.
That said, my best psychopath-predictor is my gut. My gut feelings are never wrong. On more than one occasion I've found that a very casual acquaintance that gave me that bad gut feeling turned out to be a murderer or a rapist. So always listen to that little voice inside that tells you something ain't right about a person, because it's usually right on.
By the way, if his eyes do that because he - Karla
[ In Reply To ..]gets angry, enough for you to see only red, then by all means I would never go around him knowingly again. He was beyond angry, so it seemed to me. Thanks for the explanation, never heard before.
Did I read that correctly or did you say - "very casual acquaintance"
[ In Reply To ..]on *more than one occasion* turned out to be a murderer or rapist?? How is it that you meet those type of acquaintances?
If I were you, I would reevaluate my surroundings and the people I deal with because you should not be coming into contact with murderers or rapist that frequently.
I think we do .. . - Same here
[ In Reply To ..]She said more than once, so it could be 2 or 3. In any event, I think we come in contact with rapists quite often. They are simply everywhere.
In my case, they were not social contacts. I encountered 2 at college and 3 in the course of employment. One of the ones at work, I am fairly certain, had killed.
He was a worker at the same hospital I worked - at as an MT. I didnt even - sm
[ In Reply To ..]know his name, until after the fact, and I saw his face in a newspaper story a few years later. He seemed like a nice, clean-cut, slightly shy kind of guy with a baby face. In reality, however, he was a prolific serial rapist. When the police were closing in on him, he ran, and was killed in a gunfight when cornered by cops.
Nevermind the eyes ... - Sm
[ In Reply To ..]Whatever it is with the eyes, who knows. I think that you saw the photographers red eye, but remember that the devil, enraged bulls, etc., are often depicted with red eyes.
Regardless of that, you have a very clear indicator in the rest of his behavior that something is wrong. It is not normal to get into angry disagreements at the dinner table, especially in public, and most especially in front of children. It is actually inappropriate to get into angry disagreements AT ALL, despite the way that TV makes it seem the thing to do.
Another clue was in what he advocated. Were these child-rearing methods a little sick?Controlling, manipulative, self-serving, demeaning, or destructive? A little suspicious?
Something else...is his wife afraid of him? A little too deferential? Quiet, repressed, fearful, or timid? Walking on eggshells around him? Constantly trying to avoid irritating him or provoking an explosive response?
Did he give you the creeps? Make you feel uncomfortable, embarrassed to be seen with him, sorry for his family? Did you feel afraid? Would you be afraid if he showed up at your door? Or phoned?
Sociopaths can be very slick and charming, so I don't think that is what you saw. Psychopath, perhaps. If you answered "yes" to the questions above, he could just be evil.
All those things above are good indicators, but we sometimes get misled by what we see on the outside (they can be slick and charming). People do smile and lie at the same time, you know. Your inner self should detect the reality in spite of that, but it might not be evident to you for some time. I go by the feeling I get 24 hours later. I reserve judgement until then.
You would not be asking us about this if you had not picked up on something bad, so your inner self -- or your guardian angel or whatever protective entity you do or do not believe in -- did its job by clueing you in. Listen.
Have seen in photos, the red eyes but - Karla
[ In Reply To ..]never someone directly across from me at a table, like regular kitchen table and the lightening was the same before and after the dinner. The first thing is his 3 children do not even live with him, they live with their mother in another state. He is not raising them and has been out of their home for some time. All 3 girls and he was telling me how you have to bear down on them, not let them get away with anything. I tried in the conversation to make a little lighter because we were sitting right next to the kids. The more I talked in a calm voice it seemed the madder he became. I said something like well maybe your wife would like to go with me on vacation and he said "I wouldn't let her go." The wife has told me her parents do not care for him. If he showed up at my door, like anyone, I would talk with him through the door and not open it for him. I told his wife I knew that was her husband and she would, of course, side with him on things but please to be careful. I have no fear of him then or now but with his gun carrying self, sure I think he could fly off in a rage and kill his wife and her child (who lives with them). He wanted to tell me about how many years he has been in law enforcement like I was supposed to be impressed with and I told him I had law enforcement people in my family, grandfather, great uncle, uncle. I really cared for his wife as a friend but never want to be around him again. I have talked, met her for lunch since then and even tried to help her start a business with a baby's outfit she thought of and went to the store to get materials and there he was. Had no idea and just made my exit as soon as I could.
I'm surprised he let his wife hang out with you. - Most men like that dont want - sm
[ In Reply To ..]their wives to have friends, or any outside support or influence. I've had both friends and clients in a former business like her in the past. As an independent, self-sufficient, single woman, I was most definitely seen by the husband/boyfriend as a "threat". They didn't want their brow-beaten wives getting any silly ideas about potential independence, themselves.
He sounds like a controlling creep. I hope you're able to continue to maintain a friendship and a source of support for your friend, because it sounds like she probably really needs it.
He worked so the times we spent were - Karla
[ In Reply To ..]those times. She and I had lunch together once after then and I tried to help her out financially a few months ago but for reasons I am not going into now, she and I are no longer hanging out together.
Psychopaths - BeenThere
[ In Reply To ..]If your gut feeling is telling you to put them behind you, then go with it. They say the #1 indicator of being in the presence of a psychopath is their ability to invoke pity within minutes of meeting you. Other telltale signs are mirroring your interests and likes, putting you on a pedestal swiftly, idealizing, charming and glib. Has to maintain appearances. Pathological lying, substance abuse, keeping targets separated, triangulating, criminal behavior that rarely gets caught. Thinking they are special and should only associate with "special people." Then when you are hooked, they begin the devalue phase--silent treatment, criticism, isolation, gaslighting, walking on eggshells. Run away from these people, realize everything about them is false and they are only in your life to "feed" off you, one way or the other. What you describe with this man certainly sounds controlling and opinionated, his way or the highway, maybe more narcissistic or malignant narcissist which in my opinion rates as a psychopath. I have never seen a red eye but I have seen the cold distant vacant eyes of psychopaths, nobody home. Don't waste any more of your time on them, let them go and avoid them at all costs.
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psychopath's red eyes - seeker
[ In Reply To ..]Have you seen the YouTube videos on reptilian people who shape-shift? Their pupils change shape. I would think it was totally absurd except that many years ago when I was married, I awoke early and glanced over at my sleeping husband beside me, and he was covered in lizard skin! I swear to God this is true. I realize I could have still been in a semi-sleep state, but I felt perfectly awake. I could see my daughter's crib next to me and the room around me. I just didn't know what to think. Since then, I've read David Icke's books about some people being reptilian and shape shift back and forth.
Never seen a repilian shaped person - Karla
[ In Reply To ..]but seeing the red eyed person was enough for me.
Ohh, that's creepy! - sm
[ In Reply To ..]I hope he's a nice guy! Some of the reptilians are nasty pieces of work.
Do you ever listen to Coast to Coast radio with George Noory?
Red eyes - has nothing to do with psychopath - sm
[ In Reply To ..]You can do research on this. Red eyes is explained. Many people have it. They are not psychopaths. One thing has nothing to do with the other.
But he sounds like a very hostile person and I would stay away from him.
I had seen this man before and after and never - Karla
[ In Reply To ..]had seen except the one time when he was extremely angered. I am really grateful I have never seen this on anyone else, ever.
It's a medical condition with an explanation - nothing to do with being a psychopath
[ In Reply To ..]It sound like you want these two different things to be the same. Having your eyes turn red does not mean you are a psychopath. And not all psychopaths eyes turn red. There are many explanations as to why people's eyes turn red. Has nothing to do with psychopath.
However, he sounds like he has an anger problem. I would steer clear of him, but just because his eyes turned red doesn't mean he's a psychopath.
Never did I say I wanted him to be a psychopath - Karla
[ In Reply To ..]In my first posting, I wrote that I had just seen an article talking about psychopaths and the association of red eyes. The first sentence caught my eye and I thought would return and read more closely. Then I went to other websites and when I tried to read, could not remember where the posting was in the first place. I know nothing about psychopaths, know nothing still of people's eyes turning red from their normal eye color (some have described possibly about the retina recessing (?) thus giving the red eye like you see in photos. My goodness, until this past Sunday had never even seen any connection with the red eyes and a psychopath, thought interesting but to say trying to make him one, nope.
When psychopaths are angry - see msg
[ In Reply To ..]...their pupils dilate, so I'm wondering if what you were seeing was reflection of light off the black pupil. If you could link us to the article, I can't find a darn thing about that red irises (iridides?) you are talking about.
Also, I think one should not get into arguments with someone they don't know well. You have no clue what they're about. We have a friend who does this all the time, and I'm like, you could get shot or something. Kinda like road rage----dumb, dumb, dumb.
Disagreement, not arguing, nothing to get - Karla
[ In Reply To ..]bent out of shape about. I did not pick an argument with this guy but I also could not take and beat the kids I had with me which he was suggesting basically, whipping as a punishment. I talked in a smooth, calm fashion and as I did he seemed to get more upset. The child he wanted me to discipline was a 7 year old who was crying because his 11 year old had laughed at her. He was saying how he toughened up his kids, you know the ones he does not live with. I stayed away from him as well as kept the kids away from him for the rest of that evening. The next time I saw him was an incidental time and he was like the first time I met him. I have not seen him since nor have I seen his wife since that time. Again, no argument on my part, just a disagreement on the way he said he punishes as opposed to children I have no authority to punish ever.
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