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Neighborhood Watch and Gladys Kravitz


Posted: Oct 10, 2012

Our neighborhood watch program is out of control. Our neighborhood is approximately 1 square mile with 1700 lots that is located in a rural/unincorporated area and is about 12 miles from any shopping district. It is in a low-crime area and we are controlled by an HOA. Our neighborhood watch committee waits in their vehicles on street corners in and outside of our neighborhood taking notes of the comings and goings of the residents. They take shifts and patrol the neighborhood on foot day and night. Our block captain wanted a list from each person that included name, address, phone number, vehicle description with license plate number, the times and days you work, and the vehicle information for the people that come to your house. They encouraged the residents to have a pad of paper on their car front seat so they can take notes and to give that information to your block captain. Our local sheriff department is involved in all of this and all information gets channeled up to our sheriff liaison for this neighborhood. I saw one person on a bicycle with a video camera attached to his helmet and he drove around recording everybody. One day I was jogging and I saw one of the watchers sitting in their vehicle on a street corner, as I went by he took a picture of me. Another time I was riding my bike and a watcher with a video device rode beside me in her vehicle and recorded me. I have had watchers follow me in their vehicles when I leave the neighborhood. The sheriff stated at an HOA meeting that anyone out after dark is the bad guy and to call the sheriff so they can come and check them out. One night at 9:00 p.m. after transcribing for 4 hours straight, I walked out front onto my driveway to stretch and get some air. One of our “Gladys Kravitz” must have thought I was the bad guy since it was after dark and called our sheriff liaison who did a drive by to check me out. Another time, I came home late from grocery shopping and one of our “Gladys Kravitz” stood on the sidewalk and watched me as I brought the groceries into my house. They stood on the sidewalk for another 30 minutes after I brought my car into the garage and closed the door. Our watchers share and compare notes with the watchers from the neighborhood that is 1 ½ miles away. It is a complete invasion of privacy. Remember this is small town USA and nothing goes on here, there is nothing to do here. It’s just a bunch of nosy Nellies with way too much time on their hands. Does this sort of thing go on in other neighborhoods across the country?

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I think that is crazy..... - sm

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Whoever was taping me and taking my picture better be prepared to hand it over to me or I would call the police. That is just scary. This is America, not 1930s Germany. I would never disclose any information about myself, my family or potential visitors. I would call the sheriff any time anyone was watching me or recording my movements. Do you really know who these watchers are? For all anyone knows, that information could be used to commit a crime against you by one of these lunatics.

That's awful. - RC

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They're just asking for you to *accidentally* knock the recorder right out of their grubby hands, and then *accidentally* run it over with your car.

What I would really do, though, is throw it back in their face. When you see someone taking notes on you or recording you, go get your camera and walk right up to them and record them recording you, so they can see how ridiculous they are. Or take out a pad of paper and right something like "suspicious person is tracking me." I don't know, the fact that the sheriff is involved in this ridiculous fiasco is the scariest part of all.

File a complaint with the sheriff department?

this is good advice - sm

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definitely photograph and/or videotape them right back. Document their activities as RC recommended. I, too, find it scary that the sheriff is involved, and I agree that you should file a complaint.

This activity is way too over the top for normalcy, and I would regard it as threatening. I certainly wouldn't be wearing a hoodie in your neighborhood.

Whoa - that's freaky

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I don't think that's normal neighborhood behavior. If any non neighborhood watch person tried that they'd probably be arrested for loitering and stalking. It is an invasion of privacy and lord only knows where the information is going anyway.

Now what I would do, because I have a perverse streak =] , would be to watch the watchers. Someone takes my picture, I takes theirs at the same time. Crazy lady across the street is watching my house at 9:30 in the dark or just standing there watching me during the day? Call the cops on her. Someone sitting at the entrance to the neighborhood watching the comings and goings? Take down their information. Maybe get other annoyed neighbors involved as well... =]

What state are you In? - anon

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nm

Gladys; looks like I started something fun with my - post below. hehe. n/m

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nm

I think you made this up - some people need to find a job

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nm

pfft. and you? - nm

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That is nuts - Here's Why

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Now so many people have your schedule of comings and goings, that if there's one bad egg in the bunch, or someone with a bad kid or something, they KNOW everything, when you'll be there, when you won't, etc.

We just have a private watch. I tell my 2 next-door neighbors and the one across-the-street neighbor when we'll be on vacation so they can just do a quick glance now and then to make sure nobody is walking around the house or something. We let them know which lights in the house are on a timer. The whole world does NOT have to know everything and that's dangerous.

One lady in the neighborhood says we should tell EVERYONE in the neighborhood when we're gone. No, I don't think so. Word can get around into the wrong hands. All it takes is 1 errant kid on drugs (or adult on drugs) to get the house robbed.

HOA myself, but.... - Precious

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My neighborhood asks us to be good neighbors, report anything we see we think suspicious, I along with my next door neighbor let each know when the other will be away but as far as the tatics cited above, never. People can go overboard and this seems to be the case here.

Thank You Everyone for Your Ideas - Barb

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and supporting words. I am very careful about guarding my personal information, and I did not give our block captain any information. I agree that if personal information gets into the wrongs hands, you would suffer severe consequences. It is just too easy these days to pass information out to so many people with just a click of a mouse. This is my first time living in an HOA community with a formal watch program. In the places where I have lived in the past, we were friendly with the neighbors on each side of us and across the street and we watched out for each other. That worked out well and I miss it. If I see something suspicious, I will call the authorities, but I’m not going to sit in my car on a street corner or follow someone and take their picture just because I don’t recognize them. That is over-the-top.

yeah..kind of g. zimmerman-ish....nm - anon

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how do you have 1700 lots in that small a space? - sm - XXX

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I live on a private road, 0.75 miles long, we only have 13 houses on it. You must live on top of each other presuming there is 1 house on each lot, 1700 houses...really hope that was a typo.

No I could not live with big brother watching me literally all the time, that is crazy. I would start having some fun with them, go out in dressed weird somehow or in costumes, do rain dances on your front lawn, or start video taping the watch people and see how they like it, write down something in your own notebook, stare at them for minutes on end, talk/mutter to yourself loudly around them, I would just screw with them. Maybe then they would see how utterly ridiculous they are being. I would certainly confront any gawkers outside my house and also call the police yourself that someone is stalking you and watching your house. If you do it enough maybe they will stop bothering you, who knows. Maybe you can get restraining orders from all the whack jobs in your neighborhood. Really sounds like jail there, controlled confinement but with the freedom to come and go, as long as you check in with the watch people. Totally weird.

We look out for each other here but not like that.

doing as you describe..... - anon

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is likely to get you shot in the above circumstances stated by the OP.

1 sq mile = 640 acres zoned at .3 acre lots - doh! totally doable

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Wanna trade neighborhoods? - Urban Dweller

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Just to give you a different perspective: In my neignborhood, the people who watch what is going on and report it are rarer than hen's teeth, which is totally understandable because it is not unusual for someone to break your windows or slash your tires if they think you reported something to police. Police helicopters flying overhead trying to catch a criminal are a regular occurrence. Sometimes they warn residents to stay indoors with doors locked, and one night I heard them say on the loudspeaker, "We have you surrounded. Come out with your hands up if you want to be taken alive. Otherwise, we'll release the dogs." Talk about scary! We've had our car windows busted several times, our condo burglarized, and we have 3 bullet holes in our car from when a bunch of teenagers drove around the neighborhood and shooting up things. I'm sure your neighbors are annoying, but all other things being equal, I think I would rather be in your shoes.

Yikes! - Suggestion

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I know this is easier said than done, but MOVE. Right now, houses are CHEAP, at least where I live in FL, and I live in a beautiful neighborhood with pretty much zero crime. Last incident was about 4 years ago (that I know of) and was a petty crime.

Check out your general area in nice neighborhoods for bank foreclosures, auctions, etc. Nobody should have to live in fear like that.

I think you're right. I don't think about it that - Urban Dweller

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much, but as I was typing up all the things that have happened to us here, I started to wonder why we still live here.
Foreclosures - See Msg
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Banks that have houses in foreclosures want to sell those houses. They DO NOT want to be in the landlord business, keeping up the property, etc.

Do it now, as once the market goes up, prices are going to skyrocket, and besides, there won't be anymore foreclosures.
To add to this - See msg
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Banks seriously want to dump their properties where people defaulted. They don't want to pay someone to mow the lawn, keep the mold down in the house, etc. They just want all or a portion of the existing monies owed to them.
This is where you come in.

However, keep in mind, you may have a house mess (mold, things like that)--but this can act in your favor, as the bank has already lost money and they do not want to pay to have someone do this. AND, if you get a house that was very recently foreclosed on, you likely won't have these fix-up issues.

I know it's hard to move, but you CAN do this if you want to. Once the market goes up, forget it. That house you could get now for perhaps $130,000 will be back up to $350 before you know it.

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