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Something not connecting in the brains
Posted: May 23, 2012
We have all know personally the suffering and fear caused by our wages being repeatedly lowered. It is nearly impossible to find adequate insurance through group plans offered. Constantly seeing complaints of no overtime pay, no work, no paid days off. We went from being respected professionals making $50K and up 10 years ago with good health care plans, retirement plans, paid vacation and sick leave. This has happened because big corporations swallowing up all the small companies and then sending work to other countries. They lower the wage and cancel all benefits. Yet we have MTs willing to vote for Romney one of the most infamous for stripping jobs out from under hardworking folks who just want to live a decent life and send their chilren to university. Can MTs not convert their personal experience in this field to a strong stand against handing the country over to this mindset. Quit twisting and wailing and put 2 and 2 together and STOP this trend to oblivion. Set aside your hatred of democrats and stand up for your country.
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Oh, please. - This has been going on under Obama's watch...
[ In Reply To ..]...no matter when the trend started. Romney's reputation as a successful businessman will go a long way in getting jobs back on American soil.
I have never even heard him address the issue. sm - VTMT
[ In Reply To ..]Somehow I doubt his support of the free market will make him our advocate, especially with all his overseas interests and bank accounts in the Caymen Islands.
I have never even heard him address the issue. sm - VTMT - OBAMA SOLD DRUGS
[ In Reply To ..]Yeah...Obama's a great job creator.
SOLD DRUGS!!!!????!!!! - yeah
[ In Reply To ..]you mentioned that before. ***
SOLD DRUGS!!!!????!!!! - yeah - Nice try, but insults started w/this post Moderato
[ In Reply To ..]Nice try at trying to take the attention off your beginning rude comments and blame another poster. Too bad for you, moderator can see them all and it starts with you.
This needs to go.
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[ In Reply To ..]You keep trying to tell the moderator where the insults started, but you get it wrong every time.
how is this on topic? - nm
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yes it has - the point
[ In Reply To ..]being the commonality of the thought processes of the men - corporate and Romney. No claim here that Romney is cause of MT diminishment- just asking why the personal experience of losing so much is not resonating more strongly with republican MTs.
No it won't. Offshoring will never be stopped. - Romney wants to SM
[ In Reply To ..]reward those who offshore, the 1 percent.
Republicans believe in a free market which includes... - sm
[ In Reply To ..]fewer regulations. So no, Romney would do nothing to bring jobs back to the US.
Inadequate and illogical talking point - This country has had
[ In Reply To ..]a free market from the beginning. It worked well until railroad barons tried to suck up all the money. Govt stepped in and prevented monopolies. Worked well and we had fruitful decades of prosperity for those willing to work hard. Now once again the giants are trying to claim all the profits and leave the workers scraping garbage cans for edible viddles. Cant use the "we believe in free markets" to excuse the rape of the working class. Free markets been around long time and did not cause this situation - corporations did.
I agree. My point was simply that Romney will - sm
[ In Reply To ..]do nothing to make offshoring more difficult and bring those jobs back to the US as some posters think.
agree with you - nm
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I fondly remember the old days. Very sad. nm - Retired
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they were good, werent they? - could chose own hours
[ In Reply To ..]could change companies often to make better money without worry about insurance. doctors were practically begging you to do their transcription. Made so much money I didn't know what to do with it. I thought my wages would continue to increase as the years went on, not decrease. The young MTs really missed the heady prosperity of the golden years.
Large MTSOs and Romney's Bain Capital - evil twins
[ In Reply To ..]I have been thinking of the similarities. Big company/investment firm buys up smaller, weaker companies, lays off workers,cuts benefits, turns workplace into a torture chamber,sends jobs overseas, hides revenues offshore to get out of paying taxes, and laughs all the way to the bank.
You are so right about the similarities - mbmt
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Bain Capital Explained By Tony Soprano - VTMT
[ In Reply To ..]The national debate over private equity so far has hinged on the question of whether experience in the field qualifies Mitt Romney, the former Bain Capital executive, for the presidency. But a more vexing, and largely unanswered, question lies just beneath the surface: How is it, exactly, that an investment company can make millions even as the company it's ostensibly trying to turn around goes bust?
For that answer, we turned to what may seem like a less-than-reliable source: Tony Soprano.
The investors profit, it turns out, not despite the failure of the company, but in fact because of it.
In the organized crime world, the business practice is known as a bust out. A group of investors -- in Soprano's case, an entire family -- looks for companies that have a strong underlying business but are in distress thanks to heavy debt burdens. The investors then take over the company. In the mob's case, the family presents the business with a very high-interest loan -- an offer which, under the financial circumstances, is difficult to refuse -- and effectively takes control of the company with the threat of physical violence. Private equity investors, by contrast, buy control of the company's board by purchasing the firm's stock. But for both private equity firms and the mafia, investors use their control of the firm to take on more debt, while at the same time cutting costs by laying off workers.
Cash from the loans and cost savings are funneled back to the investors. This looting continues until the company can't pay its debts. When it finally collapses, the company files for bankruptcy to extinguish the debt -- but private equity investors, as well as mobsters, get to keep the gains they've already reaped.
Mark Galeotti, one of the leading experts in transnational organized crime, said it's a familiar tactic above ground and below it. "It's one of the classic tactics of organized crime," Galeotti, a New York University professor, told HuffPost. "You exploit it as far as you can and when you have essentially squeezed every possible bit of value out of it, you burn it. In organized crime's case, I mean that literally, whereas with private equity, it's planned bankruptcy. But essentially you dispose of it in as convenient a way as possible, and then you walk away."
Private equity isn't always this rapacious. Investors often oversee healthy restructurings that re-set struggling firms on stronger footing. But mafia-esque looting of productive enterprises has always been a part of the private equity business that has a terrible reputation, a stain that the industry has repeatedly attempted to remove with creative marketing efforts. Today, the industry is trying to replace common pejorative terms for its business, such as "corporate raider" and "vulture funds," with new phrases, such as "growth capital."
The difference between a "Sopranos"-style buyout and one executed by Bain Capital, Galeotti said, has to do with the mob's willingness to use illicit capital and unregulated violence to accomplish its goal. "Private equity firms, in the main, while there are exceptions, basically operate within the letter of the law, if not the spirit. What they do is legal. It can't be challenged in the courts even if it runs against, sort of, the notion of the social contract," Galeotti said. "Whereas organized crime, if they have to kill someone, or if they have to use dirty money to do it, they'll do it. So it's the methodology that is different. But if you actually think about, Well, what are they doing? How are they doing it? And what's the end result? There, it's strikingly similar."
Romney has been reluctant recently to delve too deeply into his private equity background, as the Obama administration has hammered the GOP candidate for profiting even while workers were left jobless -- in some cases, obligations for such workers' pensions were then met by the government, and the cost foisted on the taxpayer. On Wednesday, Romney declined twice to say whether he welcomed a full discussion of the nature of private equity. Instead, he accused President Obama of not understanding how private enterprise works. "Having been in the private sector for twenty-five years gives me a perspective on how jobs are created – that someone who's never spent a day in the private sector, like President Obama, simply doesn’t understand," Romney told Time magazine.
But if voters do come to understand private equity, the discussion might not end well for Romney. Capitalism unbounded by regulation can be an ugly thing. Galeotti pointed to Russia, where a barely existent regulatory regime has allowed an extreme version of the free market to flourish.
"There you actually have a much, much closer connection between finance and criminality, in that a lot of the organized crime groupings are very strongly operating within the sort-of-legitimate financial sector. Particularly there you have the phenomenon of what's called raiding, which is basically -- you don't even bother giving the loan, you find ways of forcing the company into your ownership, usually by bribing a judge to authenticate some document that says you've been given this by the original owner," Galeotti said. "In some cases, when they take over working businesses, they keep them as working businesses and skim the profits. But more often, precisely, it's these kind of short-term, squeeze-and-burn type ventures. You take over a company, use it, and then you discard it however you can."
The Obama campaign has recently raised the profile of private equity by highlighting the bankruptcy of Ampad, an office supply company that was busted out by Bain Capital. The company went bankrupt, while Bain investors made roughly $100 million.
The squeeze and burn has been dramatized both by "The Sopranos" and the film "Goodfellas," where mobsters take control of companies and run up their credit.
When one hapless victim, a man with a healthy sporting goods store and a corrosive gambling addiction, asks Soprano how the process will end, the fictional mob boss is ready with a precise answer.
"Planned bankruptcy," Soprano tells him.
well they are both just bizness men - who are out to
[ In Reply To ..]make the most of the free market system dont ya know. Survival of the fitness and all that.
I just thought the explanation helped me understand - sm
[ In Reply To ..]the concept of what private equity firms do.
Bain capital - you guys are so ill informed
[ In Reply To ..]Too bad so few of your posts have any facts at all. Bain saved MILLIONS of jobs, had an approximately 80% success rate in keeping these companies alive, extended the lives of many companies to the point where workers could actually collect their retirement or reach retirement.
Obama on the other hand:
1. Record unemployment.
2. Worst employment record since aftger WWII.
3. Took over Govt. Motors. Closed several dealerships, laying off far more than Romeny did.
4. GOVT MOTOR never paid back the taxpayers in full.
5. Record foreclosure rates.
6. Food Stamp prez.
7. Highest debt accumulated under Obama.
8. Obamacare with 93+ new taxes.
9. Inflation running rampant.
10. HIGHEST CORPORATE TAX RATE IN THE WORLD - yeah, that'll bring all those jobs right back.
Got at least 25 more---be happy to post them all. Unlike the other garbage on this board that is opinion dressed to look like fact, all of these can be documented.
It is your right to believe whatever you want. - nm
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Try looking it up - FACTS were posted
[ In Reply To ..]not lame drive-by opinions with sorry attempts to be diguised as a fact. Matter of public record that a dem runs Bain, this dem contributed gobs of money to Obama and other dems....ALL FACT, but we all know how the truth is hated, especially when it doesn't support the DNC talking points or support your commie prez.
...ill informed - sm
[ In Reply To ..]U.S. Business has high tax rates, but pays less due to loopholes, shelters, etc.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/03/business/economy/03rates.html
...ill informed AGAIN - post specifically stated
[ In Reply To ..]Corporate tax rate is the highest in the world - it is; that is a FACT. Unfortunately, so few can actual read and decipher the written word, let alone FACTS. No where in post was payment or tax loop holes mentioned, which BTW benefited GE. TWO VERY DIFFERENT SUBJECTS. Tax rate versus legal tax obligation. See the difference? Probably not. Obama's job czar loving it.
Yeah, I know - ...
[ In Reply To ..]I am aware of the what the post said. I realize they did not mention loopholes; I supplied information in order to balance the discussion of what our corporations pay.
As for "facts", it should be noted that our corporate tax rate is NOT the highest in the world. It is certainly up there, but other nations exceed us.
Corporate tax rate is the highest - Conservative
[ In Reply To ..]I saw and understand your post and perspective. Even though not directed to me, I wanted to add that our corporate tax rate, as of approximately 10 days to 2 weeks ago, is now the highest in the world. Prior to that, I believe, we were in the top 10, but with the recent change made by Obama admninistration, we took over first place regarding highest rate. The charts listed on the internet are not as up to date as this recent change, but you can get the information from the CBO as to the exact date we took over the first place slot.
Are you including yourself, or just calling anyone who doesn't agree with you - stupid? I sure hope that's not the case
[ In Reply To ..]The economy is not only affecting MTs. It's affecting all fields. I've seen my pay fall and it's not fun struggling. I also knew well ahead while I was going through school there would be no more full weekends off, no OT, no a lot of things, but I still pursued it. I don't know the time frame you are talking about making over $50K. When I went to school 15 years ago our instructor told us we'd be hearing stories of people making over $50K and she said that is well exaggerated unless you own your own company and work 24/7. Good health care, plans, retirement plans, paid vacations, and sick leave is a rare thing to find these days no matter what field you are in.
You see, something I have learned as I get a bit more wise to politics is it doesn't matter if you vote for Obama or Romney. Nothing will change. Obama is not the savior some people think is is and was expecting. All these things you mentioned in your post has been happening under Obama, yet with all this stuff you mentioned there are still MTs willing to vote for Obama. I will not be voting for Obama because he has failed at his job. When people in my company fail and cost the company money they are fired.
I will not be voting for Obama because he has been a failure the last 3 years.
I will also not be voting for Romney, because like Obama I don't trust him. They are two peas in a pod with no difference between them. They are both filthy rich, which by the way doesn't make a difference to me because one day I'd like to be rich, but they both got their money the same exact way.
This is not about "hatred" for any party. This is about analyzing events. Seeing what has happened to our country for the past three years.
So I says to all MTs reading this message - set aside your hatred of republicans and stand up for your country. Don't vote democrat when they have been destroying the country just cos you hate republicans. Don't buy into their lies. There is a line for write ins. Your vote will not help towards whoever wins. You see the winner has already been picked. We just now have to wait to see who they have chosen, but by writing in a name you can show that you will not settle for who they choose.
Go Paul/Kucinich 2012!
It might make you feel better by doing that and - I agree to a point SM
[ In Reply To ..]with your post. We are well on the way of losing our democracy in this country, big money and corporations have taken over. What is that called? A plutocracy? Only about 1/2 of the people in this country even vote and many are 1 issue voters..social issues like abortion, gay marriage, etc. They continually vote against their own financial interests, and I think that is the point of the OPs post. I don't have much hope of any changes being made, not until the people of this country educate themselves about what is really going on. Since cutting education is something the republicans are pushing, it is somewhat of a joke to me how the ignorant (uninformed)will ever "get it". I have seen what has happened in congress these past years, anything that Obama wants, the house votes against, time and time again. It is an orchestrated plan to bring him down, and anyone who keeps up with this knows this to be true. All in all, though, I agree that it is the lot of them allowing this to keep happening, more worried about their jobs than our jobs. I will vote for Obama again because I believe he is more in line with my way of thinking than Romney.
I suppose if I believed - that everything is fixed
[ In Reply To ..]I would be dispairing also. Maybe my time frame of golden years of 10 years ago is wrong. It was probably more like 20 years. Despite what your instructor said, making $50K back then was NOT rare if you worked on production for one of the small, nimble MT companies that did not have a lot of overhead. Many made more than that - I am talking about a good MT, not the excellent ones. As far as Obama and Romney both being wealthy, true. Obama made his money writing books, teaching, etc. Romney made his destroying middle class lives. To me, big difference. Yes, the economy is affecting everyone, not just MTs. What is the point of that observation? I was asking MTs to use their PERSONAL experience as a place to begin understanding the moral turpitude of a venture vulture. Seeing the older workers in the ads about Romney's business dealings breaks my heart. This is not "just business." How a person could relax in one of their many residences knowing what they had done to fellow human beings is difficult for me to understand.
I suppose if I believe Obama made his money honestly - I'd be happy living in oblivian - luckily tho
[ In Reply To ..]I am awake. He certainly did not get his money from "writing books and teaching" at least not all of it. You also don't make a million dollars overnight. Not even the best writers do that. On top of that he didn't write his book.
So I will stick to keeping my head out of the sand and know what is going on and have an open mind to read other things besides those favorite little brainwashing boxes. I'll repeat. Obama and Romney made their money the same way. It's sad, but its true.
how's the weather - there in oblivian?
[ In Reply To ..]Glad you are awake - that is 1 out of 3. Authors dont make millions overnight? Who said it was overnight? What is you source of info regarding authors financial dealings? And besides that, he did not write his book? Oh yeah, forgot that particular conspiracy. Chuckle. You can repeat,repeat, repeat -- its still simply your uninformed opinion (hogwash). Keep sticking your head out of the sand -- as Willard would say that is a simply marveous image.
First of all, Obama did not inherit millions...sm - VTMT
[ In Reply To ..]of dollars from his father like Romney did which he then used to invest in Bain Capital et al and made many millions more. So..your statement that they made their money the same way is off base. As for President Obama not writing his books, just another example of right wing hate talk about our president and completely untrue. ***
Excellent response - sometimes easy to
[ In Reply To ..]miss the forrest for the trees.
BIG FAT LIE HERE - Romney DID NOT invest
[ In Reply To ..]his inheritance in Bain. As usual, this one not posting fact, just her opinion.
Every single penny inherited by Romney from his father was donated to CHARITY...EVERY SINGLE PENNY. It is well documented. Try actually reading.
The "left-wing" hate talk and outright hatred towards anyone disagreeing with them has now developed into a full-blown mental disorder. Good luck with getting YOUR head out of the sand...we can send a crew. P.S. Try spending a little money on a social graces course...your rudeness continues to escalate.
First of all, Obama did not inherit millions...sm - VTMT - OBAMA MADE IT SELLING DRUGS
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First of all, Obama did not inherit millions...sm - VTMT - Why so RUDE and HATEFUL grasshopper?
[ In Reply To ..]Consistency...yeah, that's it!
Um, you might want to do some research - your points are incorrect
[ In Reply To ..]No he didn't inherit money from his father (which by the way there is nothing wrong with inheriting money from family members. Lots of people inherit money, Romney is no different than others that inherit money). In fact his father even made his money honestly. He built things in America and that is how he made his money, then passed it on to his family. We could have a whole post about Obama's father and what he was involved in, but that is for another post.
Obama received millions literally overnight and it wasn't by hard working at an honest job. Everyone knows that community organizing is not a profession you can profit off of. Also makes you wonder how he purchased a $2 MILLION (yes MILLION) dollar home on a part time income and he certainly didn't make millions from writing. Besides we all know that he didn't even write his book. That was written by Bill Ayers and its been confirmed. Still makes you wonder where he amassed #12 MILLION dollars overnight. The answer is out there. Just that little thing people just can't seem to do because they don't want to know the truth. That little thing is called research. Do your research and you'll find out how he got his MILLION(s) overnight and the people who got him it.
Um - mbmt
[ In Reply To ..]Bill Ayers did not write any of President Obama's books, and there is nothing to back up the claim that President Obama received millions overnight. And, do not tell me to research because I did do just that and did not find anything to suggest that any of these claims are true.
What people fail to realize - Trigger Happy
[ In Reply To ..]is that businessmen/women are out to make money. When our country makes it more profitable for companies to seek employment outside of the country because of strict regulations in our country, we can't condemn the businessmen/women for making a decision that will benefit them financially.
We see things from our little peon perspective. We are the low man on the totem pole here. We think they should keep jobs here. We think they are just being greedy and unpatriotic for going outside of the country. However, if the roles were reversed, would you go through all the trouble with regulations, etc. or would you go outside for less regulations and cheaper labor? I'm guessing you would go with the cheaper labor and less regulations....as most of us would....or you would find your business struggling in a sluggish economy with more expensive labor and fighting regulations constantly.
You ask how I can vote for Romney over Obama, I can because I feel he is the lesser of 2 evils. Romney knows what regulations kill businesses and what regulations keep companies from hiring. That alone would help our economy greatly. Obama has done nothing but add regulations that have stiffled business growth.
The better our businesses do, the better our economy does. Romney understands this. Obama does not.
They are both rich. They are both flip floppers. My #1 issue is the economy. Obama doesn't understand business because he has never run one. Without successful businesses, we have no economy. I may be choosing between the lesser of 2 evils...which I'd say they are both pretty equal as far evil goes...but I have to go with the man who has business experience. You can curse the man all you want. Make fun of his wife. Whatever...but it doesn't change the fact that he knows business. You can talk about Bain all you want...the bottom line is that most of what Romney did may have initially hurt some people, but it made those companies stronger in the long run and employed more people in the long run.
I feel that is true for our situation as well. We may have to make some hard decisions that will initially hurt some people, but in the long run it will help more people. These little band-aid fixes our government comes up with has done nothing but kick the can down the road without really resolving anything.
Obama is not the answer. Obama gave himself 3 years and has very little to show for it. Obama got Bin Laden so I will give credit where it is due. Good for him. I also agree we should get the heck out of the Middle East. We are wasting money and human lives being there. The Middle East will always have unrest...they always have...and they always will. So I give kudos to Obama on those points....he just doesn't get our economy.
not a peon - here
[ In Reply To ..]I'm an informed American citizen. I do not "fail to realize" that business people are out to make money. I do not fail to realize that bank robbers are also out to make money. I do not fail to realize drug dealers are out to make money. Check. Businesses send work overseas because it is cheap - due to standard of living, not because of too much regulation. They do not care that they are causing Americans to drop their standard of living. We NEED regulation to keep the bank robbers from taking our savings because they want money. Regulation is to save us from the greedy folks. We need more, not less. Wall Street regs were relaxed under george W. See where that got us.
I did not say do away with all regulations - Trigger Happy
[ In Reply To ..]We do need some regulations but there is such a thing as over regulating as well. Bush may have not had enough regulations but Obama is overkilling with them.
No, that is just a republican - talking point
[ In Reply To ..]Come ON, think.
not regulations - causing
[ In Reply To ..]outsourcing. It is the ease of travel and use of the internet. Exploit the poor in far away places with ease. dont need to worry about middle class in own country - just put big fence around your community to keep 'em out.
Allowing foreign money to come in and buy up...sm - VTMT
[ In Reply To ..]all the smaller, and then the largest, MTSOs is what has led to the decline of wages in the MT field. Jobs were not being sent overseas until this happened and we were mostly happy and well paid.
Post again without facts - Clinton pushed for
[ In Reply To ..]and got legislation to move jobs overseas and gave substantial tax cuts to do so. Started with phone service (cunstomer service) going overseas. With tax incentives, there was an exodus out of the country under Clinton, in MULTIPLE FIELDS - look it up.
BTW - Nothing stopped a legit foreigner investor from buying companies in the USA. Tax incentives signed into law by Clinton made it financially beneficial for them to move those companies overseas - look it up.
Sorry :( Forgot you don't do any research.
there are lies - and
[ In Reply To ..]dam lies. Whatever. Your analysis is fawlty
"Dam lies" your words - describes your posts
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Middle Class is NECESSARY - sm
[ In Reply To ..]If only the business owners have all the money leaving the workers none to spend does that help the economy? Trickle down DOES NOT WORK. A middle class family of 4 going to dinner and the movies drives the economy. Having all the wealth concentrated to a few thousand families with it sitting in the bank (or the Cayman Islands) DOES NOT.
This country worked fine with CEOs earned a modest amount more than their employees...it is NOT working when they make 400% more.
I agree...the middle class is necessary - Trigger Happy
[ In Reply To ..]but what this administration is doing or wants to do will destroy the middle class and there will only be the rich and the poor. Neither party has helped the middle class for many years now...so you most certainly won't hear me praising either political party on that subject.
If trickle down does not work, how does a middle class family of 4 get a job to earn the money to pay for dinner and a movie. I mean...how many of us work for poor people? Anyone? It is also the rich that donates to many charities or begin charities of their own to help those in need.
We blame businesses and the rich for finding loopholes in the tax code but don't blame the politicians for not reforming the tax code to make it simple to avoid this. We blame businesses for hiring outside of the country when our laws and regulations have made it more profitable for them to hire outside of the country. We blame wall street for its collapse and housing crisis, when it was politicians who were receiving big bucks from wall street as well as demanding banks to give out risky loans in the first place.
Government is the problem, not the solution and every time I turn around, Obama is wanting to take control of something else in our country and I cannot stand behind that.
On one hand you suggest that lack of laws... - confused
[ In Reply To ..]and regulations are to blame and on the other hand say government should lay off the creation of more laws and regulations. Which is it?
There is a place for some regulations - Trigger Happy
[ In Reply To ..]However, we are over regulated and it is hurting business growth...which in turn hurts the rest of us. What is so hard about getting that?
Pretty good summation - Conservative
[ In Reply To ..]Although I do not agree with entire post, I think there are some really good points. Other than yours, I have not seen any posts with facts listed. On top of everything else, thanks to Obama, we lost our AAA credit rating (08/2011) and Obama supported legislation that made us the highest corporate tax rate in the world (2012). Obviously, that does nothing to promote buiness in the USA. I find it ironic that so many on here want to bash Romney for saving companies and jobs in the USA, but not one mention is made of the millions of jobs GE sent overseas, denying American workers those very jobs. Or Apple for sending millions of jobs overseas. Or the fact that HP is cutting 27,000 jobs because of Obama policies. On top of that, GE paid no federal taxes, but gets a pass simply because GE throws millions towards supporting Obama. Talk about a double standard.
HILARIOUS! - we lost our AAA
[ In Reply To ..]credit rating because of Obama! ***
Head case? The rudeness of some - sm
[ In Reply To ..]on this board is truly astounding to me.
I do believe Obama himself said during Bush's administration that it was a sign of poor leadership to have to raise the debt ceiling although obviously didn't feel the same way when he was the big cheese in the oval office and wanted to raise the debt ceiling. So...I'm assuming it is still Bush's fault that the Obama administration hasn't been able to pass a budget these past 3 years, huh? I'm sure it is Bush's fault that Obama has increased our debt by over 4 trillion smackers, huh?
Oh...but I forgot...everybody hold hands and chant....OBAMA IS WONDERFUL...HE DOES NO WRONG...OBAMA WILL FIX EVERYTHING....REPUBLICANS ARE EVIL.....BUSH IS AT FAULT FOR EVERYTHING.....OBAMA IS PERFECT.
seems like MTs embrace social conservatism rather - than fiscal common sense
[ In Reply To ..]but don't ask me why...
I've been thinking about what you are saying for a very long time, but I just think social conservatism is a stronger force in certain demographics.
When you are low paid and hanging by a thread - sm
[ In Reply To ..]You are more vulnerable to the fear tactics the Conservatives and the media thrive on. One of the reasons that an MT "strike" does not work is because no one has the extra money to sit it out and cannot afford to take the chance. People higher up the financial food chain like nurses and teachers have more money to sit out a strike and have the social support/network to organize.
Also, MTs tend to isolate. I think there is a link there as well. They latch on to the "intrusive big government" that Conservatives like to play to. However, they don't seem to realize that the Conservatives just exploit them for the big companies and the rich.
There is fear tactics but it is coming from the left - Have you watched MSNBC lately?
[ In Reply To ..]I can't speak for everyone, but I will write my experience. I AM one of those hanging on by a thread. Every day is a worry. But in my case I don't succumb to fear tactics. You pointed out it is Conservatives that are doing it. I won't argue with you on that, BUT have you watched MSNBC? CNN? listened to the democrat politicians and even Obama himself. Obama and Biden have got to be the two biggest fear mongerers there are. Their speeches are so over the top trying to get the poor stupid people to believe him. Well sorry I'm no "poor stupid person". I do know what is going on in this country (and I don't learn this from any propoganda box sitting in my corner only used as a night light to brighten up the corner.
Big government is nothing new. I don't think in my adult life we've had any administration where there isn't big government. No, I don't think it's right, but they have the power to keep it that way. I do think government is too intrusive and I don't like that at all. They do not need to know what I watch on TV, how many times I turn my lights on or off, or go to the bathroom every day, or what I eat for dinner.
Big companies have been big under both republican and democrat regime. I just get tired of one side blaming the other and accusing the others of the same things they are doing.
All I know is the last time I watched MSNBC all they are doing is creating fear in every story. Ooohhhh....look out for those nasty conservatives. They are too stupid and all they are concerned about is clinging to their Bibles and guns, but look out they are spreading fear, when in fact, while yes, maybe Fox does spread fear, but so does MSNBC and CNN.
Well said. - Trigger Happy
[ In Reply To ..]Both sides are definitely guilty of pretty much everything they accuse the other side of doing.
I too think government is too intrusive into our lives and has been for quite some time now. There is enough blame to go around in both political parties. I just wish the blame game could stop and some actual solutions to our problems could be addressed without politicians blowing smoke up our butts.
I believe our government is corrupt. They have too much power over our lives and are unwilling to change that. We keep voting them in and it seems like we always get screwed no matter who gets the position. I'm ready to kick them all out and start over.
This post is just plain funny - it is so far off base
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No facts here - Obama reason for large losses
[ In Reply To ..]God...the way you spin, better do it in an opeen area so as not to bump into somethining and hurt yourself. Romney specifically Bain, has a success rate of saving companies AND JOBS of approximately 80%. Far better records than Oblablah has put out of work with his govt. take over of the auto industry, closure of dealerships (BTW - Majority Oblablah closed where Repub owned). HMMMM... no where do you mention the thousands of jobs Obama cost there all in the name of profit.. As usual, nothing but hypocrites refusing to look at any damage Dems have done and there is PLENTY! Check out Obamacare and what that has cost companies.
All hail Mitty Romney - he done returned from
[ In Reply To ..]deadness to lead us all to Utah.
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