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Posted: Feb 22, 2013

(Paul Krugman, winner of the Nobel Prize in Economics, from the NY Times)

was a really bad idea.

Here’s how it happened: Republicans engaged in unprecedented hostage-taking, threatening to push America into default by refusing to raise the debt ceiling unless President Obama agreed to a grand bargain on their terms. Mr. Obama, alas, didn’t stand firm; instead, he tried to buy time. And, somehow, both sides decided that the way to buy time was to create a fiscal doomsday machine that would inflict gratuitous damage on the nation through spending cuts unless a grand bargain was reached. Sure enough, there is no bargain, and the doomsday machine will go off at the end of next week.

The truth is that Republicans and Democrats alike signed on to this idea. But that’s water under the bridge. The question we should be asking is who has a better plan for dealing with the aftermath of that shared mistake.

The right policy would be to forget about the whole thing. America doesn’t face a deficit crisis, nor will it face such a crisis anytime soon. Meanwhile, we have a weak economy that is recovering far too slowly from the recession that began in 2007. And, as Janet Yellen, the vice chairwoman of the Federal Reserve, recently emphasized, one main reason for the sluggish recovery is that government spending has been far weaker in this business cycle than in the past. We should be spending more, not less, until we’re close to full employment; the sequester is exactly what the doctor didn’t order.

Unfortunately, neither party is proposing that we just call the whole thing off. But the proposal from Senate Democrats at least moves in the right direction, replacing the most destructive spending cuts — those that fall on the most vulnerable members of our society — with tax increases on the wealthy, and delaying austerity in a way that would protect the economy.

House Republicans, on the other hand, want to take everything that’s bad about the sequester and make it worse: canceling cuts in the defense budget, which actually does contain a lot of waste and fraud, and replacing them with severe cuts in aid to America’s neediest. This would hit the nation with a double whammy, reducing growth while increasing injustice.

As always, many pundits want to portray the deadlock over the sequester as a situation in which both sides are at fault, and in which both should give ground. But there’s really no symmetry here. A middle-of-the-road solution would presumably involve a mix of spending cuts and tax increases; well, that’s what Democrats are proposing, while Republicans are adamant that it should be cuts only. And given that the proposed Republican cuts would be even worse than those set to happen under the sequester, it’s hard to see why Democrats should negotiate at all, as opposed to just letting the sequester happen.

So here we go. The good news is that compared with our last two self-inflicted crises, the sequester is relatively small potatoes. A failure to raise the debt ceiling would have threatened chaos in world financial markets; failure to reach a deal on the so-called fiscal cliff would have led to so much sudden austerity that we might well have plunged back into recession. The sequester, by contrast, will probably cost “only” around 700,000 jobs."

Link to the entire article below.

Krugman, BTW, on Alan Simson, coauthor of the Simpson-Bowles plan: "Simpson is, demonstrably, grossly ignorant on precisely the subjects on which he is treated as a guru, not understanding the finances of Social Security, the truth about life expectancy, and much more."

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Sorry, but Paul Krugman is the fool. He is definitely ignorant - Truthhurts

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on economics, even though he holds himself out as a fantastic economist.

When he called Alan Simpson "grossly ignorant on precisely the subjects on which he is treated as a guru, not understanding the finances of Social Security, the truth about life expectancy, and much more" shows how much he really knows about nothing.

When Alan Simpson was a Senator, he was on the Social Security Subcommittee and the Committee on Aging, so I think Simpson would know a wee bit about SS and Aging.

On a side note, I have been reading articles and comments on the sequester, and 9 times out of 10, the comments by people after these articles state to let the sequester happen since it seems the only way the government is going to cut any type of spending.

Sorry, but I disagree with Paul Krugman all the way and think he should take more courses in Economics 101.

Umhm. You do know that the deficit is at worst a - chronic LONG-TERM problem, right? That's why

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we're been running one since WWII. But if we call it a crisis, (right NOW!!!!) we can get away with not allocating enough money to, oh...feed all our hungry children for instance.

That was a significant part of why both Bush's ran up large deficits via giant sprees on military spending. Leaving those who came after to decide we couldn't afford to, oh...fund Head Start for instance. Or college tuition for our boys, to whom some of our fine flag-waving patriots are not nearly so grateful once they're no longer "over there."

The Democrats currently hold the White House--that's the "crisis."

BTW, I once listened to another Nobel prize winner in economics state that in his opinion only 3 people in the Senate understood economics at all. Two were Democrats, one was a moderate Republican, and none were, needless to say, right wing ideologues. Or ideologue of any stamp. Economics in practice is a very pragmatic discipline.

Obama is out there criticizing Republicans for - something that was HIS idea !!

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Poor leadership is our problem. Division is our problem, and it all starts with the president. He is NOT helping. The public needs to wake up and stop being ignorant of our tanking country.
"Whose idea was the sequester? And does it matter?" - SM
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Exhibit A is Bob Woodward’s book, “The Price of Politics,” which describes how top aides to President Obama brought the idea to Senate majority leader Harry Reid (D) of Nevada in the summer of 2011, when Congress was grappling with the debt ceiling.


The sequester proposal became part of the agreement that allowed the government to keep borrowing to pay its bills – and, as has been repeated ad infinitum, it was never meant to go into effect. It was supposed to be so beyond the pale that it would force the White House and Congress to come up with a deficit-reduction deal that was more finely honed.


Debate is raging in Washington over the origins of the “sequester” – the deep, almost-across-the-board federal spending cuts that go into effect March 1 if Congress doesn’t act.


But Republicans have latched onto Mr. Woodward’s book as the smoking gun.


Aha, they say, the sequester is Mr. Obama’s baby. They’ve tried to get people to call it the “Obama sequester” or even the “Obamaquester.” It doesn’t exactly trip off the tongue, but it’s more than the Democrats have devised.


Exhibit B is a July 31, 2011, PowerPoint presentation found by John Avlon of The Daily Beast in an old e-mail, reported on Wednesday. The slideshow was put together by House Speaker John Boehner’s office and the GOP’s House-based think tank, the Republican Policy Committee, and describes a “new sequestration process” that would cut spending across the board if the cuts weren’t made by other means.


So there, say Democrats, the sequester is really a Republican idea.


The bottom line, concludes FactCheck.org, is that it doesn’t matter. Both parties are responsible for this puppy, the fact-checking site’s report says, because they both voted for it.


“The reality is that the pending cuts would not be possible had both Democrats and Republicans not supported the legislation that included them,” FactCheck says.  ....


 

---and not only both sides, but Obama is also responsible - Truthhurts
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ever hear of veto? He didn't have to sign the sequester legislation into law, now did he?

It only matters to Obama and the Democrats.

The people don't seem to mind. I've seen so many people stating to let the sequester happen if it's the only way to start getting our debt and deficit under control.

The threats Obama is throwing out there don't matter that much. I heard today that he is now trying to scare us by also including meat supplies in this equation. Well, that's his problem. Didn't one of his departments (can't remember if it's health, agriculture, or whoever) cut the amount of meat inspectors we had down to bare bones? So, if meat will be in short supply, it will fall on HIM, no one else.

Evidently a lot of people are NOT taking him seriously this time because he's cried wolf too many times.
Have you communicated your lack of support for - the sequester to your reps, I hope? nm
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I disagree. The most obvious reason for the - sm

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sequester is that the Republicans WANT to drive this country over a cliff.

I personally believe very strongly that ALL members of Congress who are trying to destroy this country should be impeached for treason, with their pensions also suspended.

Obama has a plan, and the Republicans have a plan. It isn't Obama who refuses to compromise. I remember Boehner (another one who should go) bragging about how he got 98% of what he wanted. Looks like a LOT of compromises were made along the way by Obama to give him that almost 100% result.

Maybe you could challenge him to a prediction-off. - SM

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Paul Krugman is Always Right About Everything






Okay, so maybe not always.  And maybe not everything.  But still, when it comes to major questions of macroeconomics, I think that many conservative economists, the Federal Reserve, the entire Wall Street Journal editorial page, and certain members of President Obama’s own Council of Economic Advisors should all have to write this phrase on a chalkboard over and over again every morning as punishment for being wrong so many times when the right answer was being screamed at them all along by a very persistent Nobel Prize—winning economist!  Let’s recap:


Krugman predicted that the Bush tax cuts would be ineffective at job creation. He was right.


Krugman predicted a housing bubble that would cause major problems if and when it popped.  He was right.


Krugman predicted that the “stimulus package” was too small and that the hole was too deep for the stimulus to achieve its goals.  He was right.


Krugman predicted that conservative concerns about inflation resulting from Fed and government action were unwarranted and would not materialize.  He was right.


Krugman predicted that the austerity measures instituted throughout Europe would make matters worse.  He was right.


I’m noticing a pattern here…  Maybe that’s why a study conducted last year found Krugman to be the most accurate predictor out of a group of 26 Sunday morning TV talkers and weekly columnists (admittedly not the strongest bunch as far as soothsayers go).  And now, Paul Krugman is busy telling anyone who will listen that we could bring an end to the country’s economic stagnation tomorrow if we just rehired many of the 1.3 million public employees (teachers, firefighters, policemen, etc.) who were laid off due to state budget cuts.  Maybe we could hear him out this time???


Just a thought.


...and the study that's referred to. - SM

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That was fun reading, thanks. - nm
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LOL, but true. ALL mainstream economists know we could - have put the recession behind us,

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though. When to spend and when to save is Econ 101, much the same way it's Housewifery 101.

Which means mainstream economists aren't fooled by those who pretend down is up and up is down for the benefit of the laymen, just asking themselves "what are they up to now?"

Besides ruining the lives of many would-be hardworking people, of course.

LOL, great picture - Fanatical Hypocrite

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I quite enjoy Krugman's articles and his proposals are intelligent ones. He usually tries to balance what's good for Wall Street with what's good for the general populace. Which isn't easy to do these days. Plus, he's doing his best to dispel this modern notion of job creators. That we can never again reel in the ultra wealthy lest they turn on us and destroy our precious jobs, which we don't have anyway.

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