OWS November 17th
Posted: Oct 28, 2011
From Facebook Occupy Wall Street: "SAVE THE DATE: November 17th. This will be big. VERY BiG. On November 17th, we call on all allies and supporters across the nation to put a stop to business as usual and reclaim this country for the 99%. Details to come....."
Sounds interesting. Will it be a day for all the worker bees in the country/world to call in sick or something, like a master strike? I think I'm in.
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Count me in. Ready, willing and able - to swarm the hive. nm
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That works for me! At $5.40/hour, I sure won't be - losing much by not working! nm
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Are you willing to lose your job over this? - ?
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Making nothing is a lot worse than making $5.40 an hour.
Not clear exactly what is planned yet - we can only guess, but
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If it is a mass sick day would hope maybe my supervisor or some of the higher ups would join in too. After all, they are the 99%, not the 1%.
Do you get that we are making $5.40 an hour because we just let them do whatever they want for many years? Why should we not support a movement protesting the fact that it is impossible to earn a living wage anymore? I can't believe they would fire everyone if enough people did it.
Sine I make a heck of a lot more than $5.40/hour - and think that if all you
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make is $5.40/hour, you must not be very good at this job and might need to look into a different field, please excuse me if I pass. If you don't like the amount of money you make, do something else. Go to school. Learn a skill. What a lazy bunch of crap this OWS is.
HAAAAhahaha - JS
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Oh... thanks for this! I usually would never comment on a typo (I've done it on here), but since there was no point to your post other than to insinuate that the person you were responding to was bad at their job (and therefore unable to make a living wage), it's classic that you proved that you're not necessarily perfect right off the bat!
Awesome.
BTW... if you're making more than $5.40/hour now, and you're an MT, savor the moment and save your pennies. I happen to be quite good at what I do, have been unemployed twice in the last 5 years due to having my position offshored, and have seen a 20% decrease in my cpl rate alone in the last year and a half between the last job loss and my current position (not counting loss of incentive pay which is a big fat zero right now). If anything, with my experience and software that I've invested in, I should be making more money than ever due to increased productivity. Nope... not the case. Offshore, VR, overhiring, NJA, junk point-and-click EMR (all consequences of greed - may I add - rather than producing a superior final product) have resulted in this profession going down the toilet with experienced MTs not being able to make it. When this happens to you, go back to school or get a different job. Learn a skill. Hopefully you don't have a mortgage, car/personal loans, kids' college expenses, etc., that you were approved for back when you were making a decent living and are still responsible for repaying... those make it kinda hard for someone to just quit working and go back to school.
Thanks for the giggle.
Bravo. Ain't it the truth. - Great post.
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Nothing like a good giggle. Made my day.
I never did say I was perfect. - I just said that if you can't manage
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better than $5.40/hour doing this job, you must really not be good at it. As far as going back to school or gaining a skill, I stand by it. Better yet, get a job at McDonald's. They pay better than $5.40/hour. My point was that I think someone is not telling the truth here. And, oh by the way, you CAN go to school and work at the same time. ;)
Also, things are worth what someone is willing - to pay for them, even what we do.
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If someone is willing to take an inferior product for a lesser price, well that's just the way things go. We all do that. Notice that not everyone drives a luxury car. Unfortunately for you and me and my brother in the graphics industry, many things go that way. You can either dust yourself off and do something else, continue to do what you do for the lesser wage that someone is willing to pay for it, or whine and whine and demand that someone pay you more than you're worth. Or, you can squat with the homeless people in the park and demand that those mean old millionaires pay for your lifestyle. Let's just hope you don't have a car, or a mortgage, or kids college that you must finance.
Supply and demand, right? - and yet....
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The "job creators" used to actually have a heart and try to pay people what it would cost to have a halfway decent life. In exchange you worked your guts out for them. Nobody complained, everybody was happy.
NOW what they are doing is playing a game called "how low can we go", i.e. what can we take away from people in terms of pay, benefits, time required, etc. They simply do not care about the quality of life of anyone but themselves. There's where capitalism becomes plutarchy. Google it.
You obviously don't know "squat" about what OWS - stands for. Educate yourself.
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OWS needs to stop the violence if they - want to be heard
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Educate yourself
Wanna play the violence card? OK, but let's play with a full deck, - shall we?
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Police violence against OWS peaceful protests results in a self-defensive response by protesters, heightened media attention and increased numbers of protesters over time. Just last week, Oakland overkill managed to create an OWS face when Gestapo tactics landed Iraq veteran Scott Olsen in intensive care.
The incidence of violence against OWS supporters at the hands of law enforcement far outweighs isolated events instigated by a tiny minority of protesters by at least a 10 to 1 margin. Recent polls taken by study groups determined that less than 3% of OWS respondents believe violence MAY be justified in certain circumstances. As I recall, at least that many teabggers displayed the same tendencies, whether it be direct confrontations with counter demonstration protesters (does the Fort Lauderdale immigration dust-up ring a bell?), threats of gun violence if health care reform passes, property vandalism and threats against democrats in Congress (which also placed some GOP leaders in fear of harm) and other so-called wingnut "lone wolf" outbreaks.
As these reports began to stack up in the media, over time TP violence subsided for the most part, as I suspect it will as the OWS movement matures. As a matter of fact, if memory serves, TP folks did not have a lot of coherence in terms of platform, agenda, leadership, etc. 6 weeks into their protests. Like OWS, they began with presence and voice. BTW, education on this subject can never be ascertained if one confines themselves to Fox fact fracture and its blogospheric subsets, as your post so clearly demonstrates.
You need to reshuffle - sm
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“Self-defensive response by protesters.” Had to laugh at that one. You obviously don’t understand the laws do you? When you are given an order to disperse, you had better comply. Read the CONSTITUTION. Better yet read the city ordinances for each state, where and when you are allowed to demonstrate. The police are there to protect the citizens and keep the peace. Peaceful protest s are allowed, you know the word “PEACE” right, and what it means. However, if you are going to throw rocks and bottles at police officers, you better run for cover or pay the price. “Gestapo tactics” really, I can see you have a disdain for law enforcement. Scott Olsen was the victim of a demonstration gone wrong by the protesters themselves. The blame lies squarely on the protesters, not the police. How many more have to suffer before you leftists get what you want? My prayers go out to Mr. Olsen on a swift and uneventful recovery. You all must be high-fiving each other on this, you now officially have your first “martyr” for the cause.
So they took a poll on how many OWS respondents believe violence may be justified, less than 3%, wow. These are not isolated incidents, so give me a break, how long are we going to hear that bull. Let’s take a poll next week, and see how OWS is doing okay. November is going to be a busy month for OWS. BTW, where is the media coverage and condemnation from you leftists on the assaults, thefts and rapes, and the drug use going on at these OWS protest encampments?
FY, I attended TEA Party events at their inception; we had our platform set with goals, ideas, and purpose, and quite a bit of accomplishments came out of them. So, you do not know what you are talking about. I also attended two West Coast OWS demonstrations last week, two too many. Socialism was the theme with a lot of nonsensical babble, they were not open to debate or to reason.
You really need to get off the” look at what the TEA Party did” train, OWS has just boarded that train of violence, you own it, curious to see where it goes. The divide between those on the left and those on the right in this land is a stark one. One side (liberals) is truly close-minded, arrogant and unruly with their way or the highway mentality, and the other side (Conservatives) given to respect diversity of opinion, fairness, and order.
As far as where I get my news or knowledge on OWS, that’s not your concern, as you already have me labeled a Fox follower, so get over it.
One more thing, since you obviously support occupation and insurrection, what do you believe the end result will be?
Every time you post, you insinuate you are somehow - better than others. Ive got new for you:
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You are NOT. You're just another cog in the wheel, like all the rest of us. The only difference is, at least for now, is that you've been a somewhat luckier cog. Enjoy your good fortune while you can, it won't last forever.
Never said or insinuated that I am better than anybody. - As a matter of fact, I said
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that I understand that my position is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it.
Pointing "wiggly fingers" downward - sm
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“Hopefully you don't have a mortgage, car/personal loans, kids' college expenses, etc., that you were approved for BACK WHEN YOU WERE MAKING A DECENT LIVING and are still RESPONSIBLE for repaying... those make it kinda hard for someone to just quit working and go back to school.”
Guess you should have savored those moments and saved your pennies. McDonald's anyone?
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What makes you think she didn't? Hello. Desire to - retrieve some semblance of
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normal is what drives this movement and all the clever one-upsmanship on the planet cannot force this genie back into the bottle. Grow up.
I wasn't pointing wiggly fingers - JS
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rather reaching a hand upward to help you down from that horse.
You accused the OP after she stated that her terrible pay is the result of her company's treatment (that would be the "because we just let them do whatever they want for many years" part) of being solely responsible for not being able to earn a living wage due to her supposed incompetence... being bad at her job... followed by extremely nearsighted advice as to how to remedy the situation with a flippant "go to school" and "learn a skill" which she has more than likely already done if she's in the MT business. This shows 3 things: 1) You choose to ignore the fact that conditions such as poor cpl rate, overhiring, NJA, pathetic VR rates based on false promises of increased productivity, etc., exist. The fact that you choose to ignore it does not mean that those are not happening. 2) You are willing to be nasty and shift blame in order to deflect from the issues. 3) You're insensitive to folks who are having trouble making a living through no fault of their own. Denial and cheap shots don't change what's going on in the world.
And just as a side note and because unsolicited advice is one of my pet peeves (it reminds me of my former MIL)... your advice wasn't asked for in the first place since it sounds like she has already decided that she would rather stand up for herself and take the day off. I hope she does.
Don't blame me if I found it hilarious that someone who had the nerve to come across in this fashion- all while tooting their own horn about how they make "a heck of a lot more" - started off their rant with a blatant mistake! It's great. If I was nearsighted and mean spirited, I might be tempted to say that maybe the reason that you make a heck of a lot more than she does is because you have a poor work ethic and churn out quick inaccurate work... but I'm not, so I won't.
BTW... your followup post where you basically accused the OP of lying was uncalled for as well. A bit of a stretch. However, your outlook on paying what one thinks is acceptable I am going to try to work with. The next time my creditors send me a bill based on credit I was granted before the MTSOs decided that we are not worth paying decently anymore, I'm going to refer them to this thread and tell them that I'm just not willing to pay THEM that much anymore. I hope this same method works at the supermarket, gas station, or anywhere else I go too.
Anyhow, I just wanted to state that my fingers weren't wiggling downward at all. Maybe yours should try to wiggle down a little bit next time and give the C key a tap.
Really? You did. And, yes, I do think you are - nasty and mean spirited.
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I would certainly offer you a hand to help you off of your high horse. (By the way, I am the person that your nastiness was aimed at, not the person at whom it appears to be pointed in this post. I am the one who originally offered the unsolicited advice (which, by the way, if you don't want, feel free not to post on a public forum).
You know what I find hilarious? That while tooting your own horn about how you are not nasty and mean spirited, you managed to be both. Congratulations! Your are not better than I am, after all.
Don't blame me if I found it hilarious that someone who had the nerve to come across in this fashion- all while tooting their own horn about how they make "a heck of a lot more" - started off their rant with a blatant mistake! It's great. If I was nearsighted and mean spirited, I might be tempted to say that maybe the reason that you make a heck of a lot more than she does is because you have a poor work ethic and churn out quick inaccurate work... but I'm not, so I won't.
And, yes, if you don't want to pay that much for electricity - or whatever, you don't have to.
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But they don't have to sell it to your for a lower rate any more than you have to continue to work for the lower pay. Like I said, McDonald's pays more than $5.40/hour and you can bet that if I was only making $5.40/hour doing this, I would be working 2 jobs at McDonald's or somewhere else to make ends meet, instead of taking that poor pay. I was simply saying that if you are unhappy with the pay and think you are worth more, you are probably right. Go elsewhere and get it.
Your own medicine tastes kinda sour, huh? - JS
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Not my problem. I used the same tactics you did - not one bit different - to prove a point. Guess you got it.
If I directed my last comment at the wrong person, I apologize. But since they expressed the same sentiment, both mentioned McDonalds (yuck... like that's the place to be or something), and signed off with a winkey or smiley (really?), I thought it was the same poster. My bad. I guess copying and pasting from previous statements is a coincidence too. Fine.
Your posts have been nothing but deflection through cheap shots (bullying tactic) and/or flat out denial. They don't change reality or the fact that companies - especially companies in this industry - have been and will continue to gouge their workers in order to increase profits. And if you look at how things have evolved in this industry over the last few decades, companies have found ways consistently to cut costs/increase profit year after year. Check it out for yourself. It's just never enough, and one of the only areas left to cut is the MT, so they're going for it. If the OP expresses a desire to not show up for work on 1 particular day as a method of showing her frustration and dissatisfaction, that's her right. She should not be met with insult, accusations of being a liar or being incompetent, or insincere unsolicited advice as to the appropriate way to remedy the situation she (according to you) obviously caused. She's going to do what she wants, and your post is probably going to make her want to no-show even more. So, thank you. You may have helped move 1 more person into action.
I wasn't trying to remedy anything. - Isn't it the liberal way to think
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that only people who agree with you have the right to express their opinions. I don't honestly care what you think of me or what sort of nastiness you spew in my direction. I can get over it. I work hard and I make a decent living. If I did not make a decent living, I would do something else. I did not say that the poster does not work hard, just that if she only makes $5.40/hour, she is in the wrong field. Personally, I think she is a liar.
If you don't like what I have to say, fine by me. You can go right on ahead with your opinions and venomous posts, all the while patting yourself on the back for being more compassionate and less nasty than I am.
As far as how the original poster should be met, should I run all of my posts past you first, from here on out, just to make certain that they pass your muster? And if you are so offended by my calling someone a liar, did you not just basically do the same thing to me? I did not post the comment that you answered and it really does not matter one way or the other whether or not you believe that, just as it should not matter to the original poster whether or not I think she is lying. If she is not lying, well, then, she must be stupid. Why would one work a supposedly skilled job (you said it was skilled, not me) for less than a fry cook makes, less than minimum wage? It just isn't super smart, so, to be honest, I was giving her the benefit of the doubt by saying I think she is lying.
When someone has to resort to copy/paste imitation posts, - repeating themselves 1000 times,
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competing endlessly for top dog of nasty, and demonstrating a pathologic need to always have the last word, a few things become painfully obvious to the rest of us. 1) She brings nothing of value to the table in terms of political discourse, 2) She's pretty much incapable of original thought, 3) She's so insecure that the only way she knows how to feel powerful or gain any sense of self worth is to employ bullying, name calling, put-downs and self-engrandizing claims of awesomeness, 4) Is hopelessless entenched in a quagmire of denial, 5) Remains transparently subject to her own self-imposed stunted intellectual growth, and 6) is permanently ensconced atop the highest of high horses.
Though I have thoroughly enjoyed your taking her down a peg or two or three, experience tells me folks like this usually end up being undone by their own hands. The fall from on high is inevitable but until that happens, I think posts like yours are called for, more than appropriate and very much appreciated. Hope to see you keep 'em coming.
You forgot one - JS
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#7: When your own behavior, actions, tactics, and/or methods of intimidation are turned on you, play the victim. Did you catch that? When I made it a point to engage in their own style, all of a sudden they're a victim of not only my mean-spiritedness and venom but ALL liberals' intolerance of differing opinions. My #7 combined with the list you posted is the perfect description of one who overindulges in Fair and Balanced reporting. There should be a detox program for that.
Anyway, Happy Halloween. I'm dressing up as a solider in the (imaginary) War on Christmas, and my BF is going as a $16 muffin. Gonna make some folks feel attacked and taken advantage of.
I am certainly not feeling victimized. - I just think that if you found my
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behavior as offensive as you say you do, you would not want to engage in it. I guess that it's only wrong if someone else does it? Anyway, happy Halloween. I am going to dress up as a filthy stinking hippy who quit my job to protest Wall Street and gets angry when homeless people join my OWS camp and get food that they didn't "earn," all the while protesting people keeping money that they did earn and not redistributing the wealth. Tell me that's not ironic. :)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/28/occupy-wall-street-bans-h_n_1044548.html?ir=Food
She's baaaack! The poster who claims to be god's - gift to medical transcription!
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PS: "Business as usual" in the U.S. these days, unless drastically changed, means all of us (you included) face a very bleak and poverty-ridden old age.
Thank a Progressive - Business as Usual
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Also thank obama your corporate master. He will be laughing all the way to the bank.
Wow. That's deep. How did you come up with - such gifted insight?
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Gimme some.
Bless your heart - Thank you
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Somebody has to keep you pseudointellects entertained.
I'm losing my job, anyway! More of the work is going to - India, & cant survive on VR pay.
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And this isn't just about "my" job. It's about everyone's jobs.
The fat-cats are banking on us just lying down and accepting what's happening.
I'm banking on Americans demanding that those holding the reins of power be more ACCOUNTABLE to those they supposedl serve, and to those they employ.
call in sick - anon.
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Yea! I've posted numerous times over the years trying to get MTs to all call in sick on an agreed upon day. The dictation systems can only hold so much work, and we would get attention fast. I hope it happens and MTs participate.
I'm not even gonna call in sick. I just won't turn on - my PC that day. nm
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