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"Net Neutrality" - More Cockamamy Garbage


Posted: Nov 11, 2014

And, like so much of the other crap we get from 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, more of the "rich-fat-cat" junk.  "Don't let those fat cats get higher speeds than you get."

Obviously, Obama and his ilk know absolutely nothing about the history of the telecommunications industry in this country.  You, on the other hand, will be much better informed than they once you read this post.

First, it was precisely "NON-net-neutrality" with respect to the telephone that put a phone in just about every home in this country, not only rolling the phone out at a speed that was truly breathtaking (even today), but at a cost that was extremely affordable.  In short, the cost of our home telephones was being subsidized by the commercial users.  If the phone companies that sprang up had been required to charge everyone the same for a phone, and to provide every user - commercial and home user alike - with the same level of service, you would have only found phones in the homes of the wealthy.

Second, it was the commercial users who paid for ALL - meaning EVERY ONE - of the advancements in the phone system that accrued over the years - including the rotary dial, touch-tone dialing, and other engineering advancements that I don't need to describe here.  I need not say that the noncommercial users benefited mightily from those advancements right along with the commercial users - without being charged a dime for them.

Third, you're being invited to believe that bandwidth is a zero-sum game:  In other words, whatever the commercial user takes means that there's less that's available to you.   Bandwidth is not a zero-sum game, as anyone who first hit the net with a 24K modem can easily see.   In fact, it is precisely a healthy commercial business base that will be paying for the solution to the "final-mile" problem that still exists in many rural areas, and for the installation of mega-speed upgrades that are already being engineered.  

Fourth, you're being invited to believe that net-neutrality (here, meaning charging everyone the same) is "simply treating the internet like a utility".  (I just heard this silly argument a few minutes ago on HSN.)  Really?  Uuuh...let's see.  Is there some reason you don't leave the lights blazing in your house all night?  Is there some reason people in Detroit are getting their water cut off? 

Wait for it...it's coming to me now.   Oh, yeah.  It seems that with utilities we DO charge people according to the amount of electricity, water, garbage pickup, etc. that they use, don't we?  Use more, you get charged more.  What a concept.  And once again, that means that commercial users are both PROVIDED MORE and CHARGED MORE...because they NEED MORE. 

Which brings me to the last point:  You and I don't need the level of internet service that commercial firms need.  I've been responsible for provisioning internet services for a company (yes, one of ours that got bought out), and I can assure you that if it were not possible to provision lines that were higher speed than those that are needed in our homes, we could not have done business remotely.

Would anyone suggest that, on the basis of "power neutrality", we should only provide a single 120/220 line to the Boeing plant?  If someone came along and suggested to you that we can't let GM "suck up all the electricity", how loudly would we  laugh in their faces?  Might we not, instead, get GM to pay for building out the capacity to accommodate their requirements?  I think we can work our way around to that answer eventually.

There's absolutely nothing inherently problematic about tiered service delivery when it comes to the Internet.  This is just another attempt by the Obama administration to create victims where there aren't any, and it's yet another knee-jerk reaction based on their clearly-demonstrated inherent dislike of business itself.  Nothing more, and nothing less. 

 

 

 

 

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Oh, and by the way. - sm

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In my post above, I describe how it is that commercial customers subsidize other users, beginning with the telephone. I don't want anyone to come up with the argument that Bell had to be broken up, because that's not only later in the history, but it's another matter entirely involving the topic of Bell's monopoly. This is utterly irrelevant to this discussion, but it's still probably worth saying that there's absolutely no opportunity within the internet provider space for any company to establish a monopoly. Again, however, it's not relevant to the fact that commercial users are the prime movers and prime payers for this kind of distributed technology. It won't be a pretty sight at all for ANY of us if we lose that commercial base that lays the golden eggs we all enjoy.

My ISP has an awful right-wing home page - sm

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All election cycle all I saw on it were anti-Obama stories, right-wing ads, etc. From what I understand, this will end up being a freedom of speech issue. I am really concerned that if you do a search of Loretta Lynch, the ISPs will direct you to Breitbart or whatever their favorite echochamber "source" is. Already most of the media is controlled by right-wing Tpubs, and I am afraid that we will lose even more sources if the ISPs have their way.

The way I see it, cable was not good for the poor people, and I do not think this will be good either.

Oh yeah, by the way, my home town still as an association/co-op owned telephone company. Best service in the world. Wish I had them.

What do you mean by - "the poor people?"

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Net neutrality - anonie

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I can remember in the late 60s and early 70s going to a movie theatre and in the lobby, they had petitions or something telling us about pay TV. Well that happened, cable and dish.

If they get this net neutrality, which is another phrase just like affordable healthcare, then we are screwed. We probably won't be able to ever afford this. There goes my news, my genealogy, etc. If you get charged for everything you download, goodbye to e-mail too.

Why is it that one thing in this country is not somehow regulated and our freedom and free access leaves.

I pay enough to Comcast now for TV which are all reruns week after week and lately day after day the same program and yet they still put the prices up. Of course they want you on other tiers and also to get On Demand. They are not fooling me just like stupid Obamacare. That man thinks Americans are all stupid, well this one isn't. I see the writing on the wall and I don't much like it.

Pretty soon, we will have nothing free including the air we breathe. They will charge us per breath someday. LOL. I know that is wild, but who knows. These ecologists insist that we need to protect ourselves from CO2 which is a natural byproduct and if they just planted more trees, grass and green things, we wouldn't have to worry, if we ever truly had to.

People are not going to believe people scamming them.

Why don't they fix hacking so that our defense department, etc. are not constantly hacked. Someday we will all sit in the dark because some hacker somewhere, probably China or Russia will prevent us from getting electricity, water, gasoline, you name it. Then what happens.

I mean they let all sorts of things come through our borders and ports and we are all supposed to feel safe NOT.

I could go on and on. I think that these politicians and others have gone absolutely stark raving mad.
Comcast is not the government but I am sure - sm
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They employ enough lobbyists to supply the job market at least a percentage point.
Love your posts, anonie!! - Debi
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Let common sense prevail! Your posts mirror my sentiments to a T.

Poor people = people without financial resources - wow

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Shocking. Most of us understand what it is like to live on a budget that does not cover all of expenses. I have chosen to live without cable/satellite TV.

I must have internet access for my job. The local cable provider has a tiered system, where the basic package only has FOX as a "news" channel, thus essentially censoring the news content that many people receive. Since they also provide internet access, I am thinking they would probably do something that censors the content I receive when I do searches, etc.

Somethings not right - sm

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Your statement that most of the media is controlled by righ-wing (no such thing as tpubs - you must mean conserative AND/OR tea party). That statement is just not true.

Google is a huge liberal base. Every single political search I do comes up with left-wing propaganda websites. Then of course I have to go searching elsewhere to find the truth.

The media is controlled by the fringe left-wingers. Every news station with the exception of Fox is left-wing propaganda and unreliable. CNN, MSNBC, NBC, ABC, all of them are controlled by left-wingers. I know of no media controlled by tea partiers.

If you do a search of Loretta Lynch the top websites they take you to are (in this order) CNN, Atlanta Daily World, New York Daily News, Wikipedia, Huffington Post, etc. They are all left-wing sites. If something takes you to Breitbart there is no need to be afraid. While yes, they may be a more conservative site, they at least tell you the truth (whether or not you want to believe that, they are a reliable source for information).

You don't have to be afraid of losing sources. If anyone needs to be afraid its the conservative sources. ITPs don't have control over sources, however, the democrats were trying to ban conservative sites and only pick sources they approve of to give the news. Thank God they did not win. That would be a disaster for our country if that were to happen.

So, there is no reason to be afraid. The left-wing radical so called "sources" will always be there.

Not the poster you were replying to, but I took her... - sm

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statement to show how IPOs from either side could be influential. Net neutrality can prevent that kind of politicization from either side.
I don't need the government's help to make that decision. - Different Poster
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I don't want the government in my business! No to big government!

In my opinion, the only people who want big government are those who don't know how to run their lives or are needy in some capacity.

Net Neutrality 101 - sm

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Not knowing enough about the ins and outs of net neutrality to form an opinion, I found this site that explains what it means.

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