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Conservative author: Liz Cheney â��worse than Joe McCarthyâ��

Posted: Mar 6, 2010

By Sahil Kapur
Friday, March 5th, 2010 -- 1:33 pm

Liz Cheney is used to drawing the ire of liberals, but her latest attack campaign against the Obama administration has conservatives likening her to one of the most notorious political villains in the last century.

Cheney's political advocacy group "Keep America Safe" this week launched an ad suggesting that a number of Justice Department officials are terrorist sympathizers for having represented detainees against illegal treatment by the Bush's administration. The spot labels them the "Al-Qaeda 7."

The Huffington Post's Sam Stein spoke to attorney and author Paul Mirengoff, a fellow at the conservative Claremont Institute, who today blogged that the attack was "vicious" and "unfounded."

Reached on the phone, Mirengoff offered an even sharper rebuke, comparing Cheney to former Sen. Joseph McCarthy and saying that her comments were potentially worse than his notorious anti-communist crusades.

"It could be worse than some of the assertions made by McCarthy, depending on some of the validity of those assertions," Mirengoff said, explaining that at least McCarthy was correct in pinpointing individuals as communist sympathizers. "It is just baseless to suggest that [these DoJ officials] share al Qaeda values... they didn't actually say it but I think it was a fair implication of what they were saying."

The remainder of the article can be found at:

http://rawstory.com/2010/03/conservative-author-liz-cheney-worse-joe-mccarthy/

Also, for those of you who never heard of Senator Joe McCarthy, here's a link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_McCarthy

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in their midst - saturdaywrker

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The right is so frightened of Obama with all their commie/socialist misconceptions when the ones who they should fear are th Cheneys.

Ummm. wrong. I fear Obama because of his - ignoranc in not seeming to know

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or care what makes America great. He should have stuck with being a community organizer. He is in WAY over his head.

Ummm, wrong. Obama is the perfect example of what makes - America great! nm

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Agree. Now, if only the other dems would grow a spine - and repubs a conscience

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maybe he could get something big done.

Agree - Sam

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The dems need to stop kissing republican butt and make some friggin' changes in congress!! Public Option for one!!

I agree with the need for a public OPTION to create....sm - oldtimer

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competion. Otherwise, the private for-PROFIT insurance companies have no reason to modify their behavior. That being said, although I do not agree with either the senate or the house bill as they have been too watered down, I am willing to compromise and allow for a trigger to a public option if initial reform does not accomplish the needed effects.

I strongly suspect that when the polls say that - ASmom

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"Americans" (or at least some of the Americans on this forum) say that they no longer support health care reform, they are saying exactly the same thing you are saying-they don't want HCR the way it ended up after the pubs watered it down beyond recognition to the point where it was nothing more than a gift to the insurance companies, and after the spineless dems allowed it to happen. I totally agree with the public option being a sensible conpromise.

Ignorance is bliss. Wake up before its too late.nm - Dallas

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nm

Too late for what? - sm

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If ignorance is bliss, you must be in Nirvana.

ROTFLMAO! NM - Sick Of It~

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NM

Nevermind, it's already too late. You bought the snake oil - TX.nm

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nm

What snake oil? I don't remember buying any snake oil. - Besides, how would you you know? sm

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Did you see me at the sale? Do you remember if I kept the receipt? I thought I would take back, but after searching high and low, I can't find any snake oil in my house. Did you see it my car? Did it end up in your shopping bag by accident or did you borrow it by chance? Help me out here. What should I do if I can't find the snake oil? I'm asking, because you seem to think you have all the answers

You bought it, alright. You got swindled, like so many others.nm - mtt22

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nm

Snake oil is as snake oil does. - sm

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Snake oil is what was published last week in the GOP fundraising manifesto. It's what the fringe foot soldiers hawk on behalf of their Christian militia forces and dime-a-dozen rags they call media websites which they cite when trying to advance their vacuous, vapid, preposterous precepts.

Snake oil is what you're selling, but so far, you got no takers. The product is just too slippery, slimey and downright stinky to be of any use to anybody, although I do suppose it could be qite effective as an insect repellant.

snake oil - Sam

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"Snake oil" is a tea bagger phrase...I really wouldn't waste any of your time...these ignorant people are a lost cause. Quite pathetic really!!

I would be an idiot to target tpot, but still believe that - the other 87 percent is worthwhile.

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I just think that the current political climate could be tempered a bit by reminders of values we used to share and appeals to common purpose.

WOULD make America great! - in the future!?

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nm

WILL make America great! - Sick Of It~

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Of this, I am sure.

Would you mind explaining what you mean - by what makes America great?

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Just curious.

Well, if you dont know, there is little hope for you. - Courage, independence, liberty, freedom, etc.

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You know, all the things Obama is against. Words to the clueless, WAKE UP !

Why the snark? I asked for an explanation from - YOUR point of view. Fact is

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that every American has a different take on what's good and not so good about America. Are you preaching a sermon, issuing a dictatorial command or stating an opinion here? What on earth do you think gives you the right to define that for anybody but yourself?

It is ludicrous for someone so (what's your word?) clueless as yourself to insinuate that Obama, who graduated from Harvard Law School, fought for civil rights as an attorney, taught Constitutional law, served in his state senate, ran for and became President of the United States to assert in any way, shape or fashion that he does not care about America.

Get a clue. Hateful sentiments like this are tearing our country apart. Keep this up and we will have another full blow (un)civil war on our hands.

P.S. I notice you mentioned nothing about unity, as in - UNITED States of America.

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something that he has sought to his own political detriment from the moment he took the oath.

Oh sure. lol. He does not even stand up for the USA - Obama divides, not unites.

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He is defensive. I have NEVER seen a president so defensive it's ridiculous. When someone has picked apart his policies while he was campaigning, he would claim racism. Then, look at him stating the cops acted "stupidly" just because the guy they arrested was his friend. This community organizer should have stayed that. He is a lousy leader, a lousy president.

Unity is important to millions of Americans, whether you - share that vision or not.

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Do you have any clue whatsoever?

One of Obama's most consistent themes throughout his candidacy and the presidency has been bipartisanship. Along with the 69+ million who voted for him, he defined that as his number one priority, recognizing the devasation to our society and to the whole of the nation that Ws line-in-the-sand-mentality and all its divisions into subparts we were facing when inaguration day finally rolled around.

He was right to prioritize it over health care, the economy or any of the countless partisan agendas left unaddressed in Congress, because that is the singlemost dangerous threat we face...the divisions we inflict upon ourselves and each other, our inability to see ourselves united in a common cause, and the hatred we cultivate that fuels it.

He has relentlessly pursued this for the past year, to his political detriment. Unfortunately the party of no has overplayed their hand to the point that he has had to abandon that core principle to get the process moving again. After all, that is what we pay him to do.

Conservative buzz would remind us that Nero fiddled while Rome burned, one of countless slams they aim at Obama. Fact is that dems have been jumping up and down and turning themselves inside out to address HCR and the economy. The fiddlers to the right would rather play politics, cultivate some more hate (and let's not forget the fear while we are at it), root for failure and burn the whole country down.

Divide and conquer did not work in the mid 1800s, remember?

Hmmm.. why is it that the majority of Americans now, millions, - disapprove of Obama, huh?

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Because he is a fake, and they are seeing through that now. Open your eyes.

All eyes are turned toward broken Congress. Guess who broke it? - You are the one who is asleep at the wheel.

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I fully expect the shambles that the GOP has made of legislative process will be reflected in confusion and disillusionment in November. GOP has not a single palpable plan to present that does not revolve around hatred for Obama. Their leadership deficit is laughable. What kind of a hollow victory are you going for? Two more years of obstruction with GOP at the helm? How do you thnk that will play out in 2012 in the absence of concrete results?

In a myopic parallel universe, it may appear that Obama is being blamed. I have no problem with you clinging to that delusion, but rest assured that the rest of us are keeping our eye on the ball. BTW, polls shift more often than the wind. HCF will pass. The employment figures and other indicators do imply that the Recovery Act is working, whether you can admit it or not. With 8 months more to go, don't you think your bravado is a bit overblown?

Please do not bother replying to this post unless you have the courage to address these questions directly. Buzz words and failed campaign slogans do not qualify.

You need to study history. Congress broke in 2006 - Fargo

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Dems took over, and its been chaos ever since. Also, I love how you fall for O's slogans changing from stimulus to "Recovery Act".. what a joke that is. No one even seems to know where that money is or went, at least 80 pct of it. As far as blame, I would say Obama himself is very good at that. For every failed policy he spouts, when it does not work, he just blames Bush. He might as well be 8 years old, and unfortunately, that is what his followers are proving to be as well.

The only history I need to be aware of when - replying to this is

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the history of your less than insightful contributions to the dialog on this board. I am amazed that you managed to crank out 4 whole lines, since you seem to be so enamored with drive-by styles.

I find your directive to the annals of history laughable and disingenuous. You have demonstrated a consistent allergy to facts, data and otherwise intelligent presentations that easily debunk your posts. You ignore them, belittle them, dismiss them, etc. I won't be wasting my time or yours any further since you have demonstrated time and time again how resistent you are to two-way dialog and both sides of a story.

No. You wont be "wasting" time because you give up. - Lost the argument.nm

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nm

No, Fargo. I just do not care to enter your parallel universe where - truth=lies and lies=truth.

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Thanks,but no thanks. I like my history to be based on actual events and not rewritten to suit some delusional creed.

Speaking of giving up, what about those basic questions - that remain unanswered? nm

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nm

So this must mean that you simply cannot answer these - simple basic questions about 2010, 2012. nm

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nm

well said - yg

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Whether for Obama or against, let's talk to each other constructively. Why the attack?

I think it's really over the top to insinuate the President doesn't care about America. And again - what does that mean? You may very well have an interesting point to make. You're just not letting us know what it is.

If Obama cared, he would not put our grandchildren - in eternal debt. He is ignorant alright.nm

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So I guess GW Bush didn't care either. - anon

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He certainly did his part to put our grandchildren in eternal debt, as well.

Obama has TRIPLED the debt in 1 short year! - Anon

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nm

psst - tip - aNon

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Be FOR something once in a while.

I'm not your waitress...and I don't need your tip! - Anon

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NOT! - Sam

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Most of the "debt" you're referring to was there when he entered office thanks to W!! When W entered he had a surplus!! You keep listening to your precious faux news and believe their "bull crap" to quote Sarah Palin.

Good luck. They will never admit this. They will - blame O no matter what

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the facts say. And, this poster has a major case of last-word-itis, just to warn you.

NOT NOT - anon

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When Bush was sworn in in 2001 the debt was:
5,727,776,738,304.

When he left office the debt was:
10,626,877,048,913.

That means per year the debt increased:
612,387,537,609.

On year after Obama took office the debt is:
12,557,040,069,883.

So in one year he increased the debt by:
1,930,163,020,970.

But you go ahead and keep listening to your precious BSNBC/MSLSD lame news (oops, apologies to news stations all over because what MSLSD puts out is not news but pure hatred, gossip and and partial news stories), but go ahead keep blaming everything on Bush. Sorry, he left office over one year ago. This new 1,930,---,---,--- debt is all Obama's baby. But hey, while your at the game of blaming Bush for everything, might as well throw in the earthquakes that just happened in China, Haiti, and Chile, that wave that hit the cruise ship, and might as well add WWII, WWI, and the Civil War.

Right, I get it now.

Boy, do you have delusions. Anon was correct - TX

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Look at the money Obama has spent without having a clue where it is going. He is killing the future economy of the USA. Hopefully, this can all be reversed when he is gone.

Please view. - Jen

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU4GdHLUHwU

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/01/30/iraq.audit/

Take a look at the regarding heated debate post above. - Then, settle down. nm

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nm

Settle down? YOU settle down. Nobody needs to settle - down while debating.. duh.nm

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As I posted above....a few facts about the debt.... - Anon

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(Per wikipedia): The total debt has increased over $500 billion each year since FY 2003, with increases of $1 trillion in FY2008 and $1.9 trillion in FY2009.

So who was Prez in 2009? Why, Obama! And the Dems were in the majority in Congress, which actually holds the purse strings in America. Guess they gave away the piggy bank when their guy was elected, huh?

Yes, and these wisecracks have been addressed - above as well.

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No matter how hard you try to spin the basic math, your premise is false.

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