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Posted: Apr 20, 2017
With regard to my previous posts, I no longer expect anyone to say anything nice or civil because the anti-American liberals have taken over this board and are following the seditious indivisible playbook. In addition to attempting to find the most insignificant “dirt” on anyone with an R after their name, they are attempting to intimidate and ridicule other posters on this board. Indivisible has become Alinsky on steroids. Well, let me tell you, I am not intimidated. However, I am leaving this board because I just don’t like to be reminded of how immoral and hateful a group of people has become. There are people so locked in to following this behavior that they don’t even realize how it is negatively affecting their personalities and everything around them. Ask yourself this, would my grandmother be proud of me? Do you even care if your grandmother were proud of you? I rest my case. If this post gets pulled, so be it. I say so long, farewell. My positivity is taking me elsewhere, far, far away from the hateful anti-American sentiment on this board.;
Good for you. Unfortunately, my penchant for the absurd always draws me back. - Olga
[ In Reply To ..]nm
Yes the absurd draws me back just to see - how far they will go to bash Trump
[ In Reply To ..]and all things Trump including but not limited to his family members.
Same here, but I rarely bother to post anymore (except - now, LOL). I come here about once
[ In Reply To ..]a week and just can't believe some of the stuff I read here. It's like kindergarten.
I understand perfectly. It is like they are - paid trolls determined to undermine Trump
[ In Reply To ..]Sad thing is they are so stupid they do not realize Trump's failure is their failure as well as the failure of the United States.
Yet they gleefully come here to post whatever they can dig up on Trump no matter the questionable source or the lack of credibility.
Sad that MTStars has become a venue for liberals to spread their hatred for our president.
The rapid networks are out to destroy Trump 24/7, too. - In order, worst first...
[ In Reply To ..]MSNBC CNN tie
NPR
NBC
CNBC
ABC CBS TIE
rapid should be rabid - nm
[ In Reply To ..]whoops!
T-rump doesn't need anyone to undermine him; - he does it to himself every day.
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There is no such thing as the word civility when it comes to liberals - Mrs. Tingles
[ In Reply To ..]They cannot comprehend even the simplist thought. They cannot even agree to disagree. They are communists, anti-American. They don't believe in the laws, unless it benefits them. They don't want to play fair, it's their way or the high way. They are sadistic little children that get off on creating havoc and treating others like crap. They sit on the TV lying to the cameras with this grin that can only be described as evil possession. Almost reminds me of the Grinch.
I try to watch MSM but it actually is sickening - how they spin Trump and take things out of context
[ In Reply To ..]Same thing happening on this board. How evil is it to lead a march of hatred for the President of the United States.
The whole anti-Trump movement is sick in the worst possible way.
I think it is called reporting the news - aka the truth
[ In Reply To ..]We know Trump can't take the truth, but I though his followers might at least be able to tolerate it.
Because so many Trumpies watch Fox (aka State TV) they think that that is the only truth, but in actual fact is it the opposite of truth. It is actually the channel that tells the Trump what it wants to hear, which is the opposite of the truth.
Honestly, the MSM (by which I mean CBS, ABC, NBC, MSNBC, CNN, and anything and everything else) merely have to point out something Trumpy says, and either that on its own or something he said completely refuting it a few months ago, is news.
It's not "a march of hatred" or "anti-Trump" - it is just easy news that the "president" makes easier by being himself.
What Trump calls fake news is simply the truth. Fox is the only one under his spell, so by all means keep watching, but I have to wonder in a way if Fox will be its own undoing. Roger Ailes, Bill O'Reilly, very Trumpy they are. Hmmm, maybe Trump can get away with it, but in the real world the chickens are coming home to roost.
BTW, as a woman, how do you all feel about O'Reilly paying off so many women for harrassment? Maybe Trump is right, don't admit it, but I have to wonder if they had proof, or some reason why they were paid so very much to keep their mouths shut.
Hasta la vista, O'Reilly, and may all the other lowlifes at Fox get caught out soon.
Aww, thank you for the post. You might - want to look up the word
[ In Reply To ..]and then read your post along with the rest of the posts in this thread and get back with us about civility.
I have to wonder exactly how liberals can live with themselves. - anon
[ In Reply To ..]I just don't understand it, I truly don't. They tear down anyone who does not follow along with the insane and inane demands. They vilify veterans, patriots, and white men while lauding terrorists. I don't know if it's self-loathing that causes them to act as they do or something else. I'm truly confused. I mean, liberals say they're against fascism while following a fascist playbook word for word. I've said it before, however, it's truly as if they're insane. I see no other explanation.
What we are seeing is anarchy and lack of respect for - law. Look how upset they are about
[ In Reply To ..]North Korea but couldn't care less about Iran. It's all about politics, nothing more.
The world is on FIRE. Cambodia kicks the US military out and accepts a few million from China, a shooter yells Alla Akbar in the US, Venezuela seizes General Motors as "property of the state" (socialism, Feel the Burn!), Obama deceived Turkey by failing to abide by an agreement about the Kurdistan Worker’s Party (PKK) but the media blames Trump, Israeli authorities intercepted material used to manufacture explosive devices hidden inside spools of medical material at Gaza, and all this is blamed on Trump.
Now, Media Matters is going after Fox News. They tried it with Rush but it didn't work. Murdoch's sons hate conservatives so look out for more targets, like Sean Hannity. Somehow I'm sure this will be blamed on Trump.
Since the Murdochs took over Fox, that network is - being run by lib amateurs.
[ In Reply To ..]The once great news organization will now sink into the same gutter as the rest if the MSM.
R.I.P. Fox...It was great while it lasted.
We switched to Fox Business Network. During the election it became - blatantly obvious FBN was
[ In Reply To ..]assuming the “conservative” posture that FNC had long held. FNC seems like they are trying to become CNN. Whoopsie.
Now FBN ratings have been on the way up and FNC dumping their number one show, WTH are they thinking? They will be like CNN but blond women with short dresses, as my husband calls them.
In 2004, NewsCorp execs endorsed Kerry. - Media outlets often put ideology above
[ In Reply To ..]all else. Just look at the rest of the MSM. Hollywood does this all the time. This is something Fox did not do, until the Murdoch boys took over. We'll see what happens.
The Murdochs will ignore their audience knowing it will hurt. Something their daddy would not do.
James Murdoch's wife works for the Clinton Climate Initiative. - She is an outspoken hater of
[ In Reply To ..]President Trump.
I hope Tucker stays. He really shows that liberals don't think - thinks through, just recite group think.
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What they do is use bots to look like massive numbers of people - to complain, when it's really very few.
[ In Reply To ..]It's a manufactured smear.
LOL - Talk about absurd
[ In Reply To ..]Nm
Venezuela is so poor they are looking for dogs to eat. - This is the ugly side of socialism.
[ In Reply To ..]I guess they ran out of other people's money (like Thatcher said).
That's because it's not a Democratic Socialism. - Big difference.
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I learned that long ago when trying to have a dialogue - about the Middle East.
[ In Reply To ..]It's difficult to solve but easy to understand.
The Arab and other Muslim enemies of Israel (for the easily confused, this does not mean every Arab or every Muslim) want Israel destroyed. That is why there is a Middle East conflict. Everything else is commentary.
Those who deny this and ascribe the conflict to other reasons, such as “Israeli occupation,” “Jewish settlements,” a “cycle of violence,” “the Zionist lobby” and the like, do so despite the fact that Israel’s enemies regularly announce the reason for the conflict. The Iranian regime, Hizbollah, Hamas and the Palestinians — in their public opinion polls, in their anti-Semitic school curricula and media, in their election of Hamas, in their support for terror against Israeli civilians in pre-1967 borders — as well as their Muslim supporters around the world, all want the Jewish state annihilated.
In 1947-48, the Arab states tried to destroy the tiny Jewish state formed by the United Nations partition plan. In 1967, Egypt, Syria and Jordan tried to destroy Israel in what became known as the Six-Day War. All of this took place before Israel occupied one millimeter of Palestinian land and before there was a single Jewish settler in the West Bank.
Israel in the last year of the Clinton administration offered PLO Chairman Yasser Arafat about 97% of the West Bank and 3% of Israel’s land in exchange for peace. Instead, Israel got its men, women and children routinely blown up and maimed by Palestinian terrorists after the Palestinians rejected the Israeli offer at Camp David. Even President Clinton blamed the ensuing violence entirely on the Palestinians.
All this is easily verified.
The hate filled rhetoric on this board when it comes to this topic actually rivals that of Trump.
Just thought I would share this because I see this board getting worse. Kind of a waste of time really.
I guess not really a waste of time since - you took all that time
[ In Reply To ..]to write that post.
Not just anti-Israel, but anti-capitalism and anti-Western - anything. They are all targets.
[ In Reply To ..]Pretty typical.
Wanna know why it is worse...the quality of president - Is worse
[ In Reply To ..]Worse for your point of view that is.
We are not going to let this idiot in chief attempt to destroy the US without, at the very least, talking about it...even if it means beating our heads against the wall with the "blinders" folks.
In addition, and really much more of a mainstay activity is protest, marches (science, women's to name a few), writing to congress people, sit-ins at R congress events....and oh, I've got to get to Earth Day to see how you Rs plan on destroying the planet!)
The left calls conservatives racists, bigots, you know the drill, - but it's really them who want to suppress us;
[ In Reply To ..]our religious freedom, etc.
On campus, they want to shut down free speech because they can't deal with any kind of thought that differs from them. They are absurd. They are also violent.
Liberals are collectivists They are the ones who are - obsessed with race and group
[ In Reply To ..]victimization. They are full of contradictions.
They can't complete so they have to destroy. No - speech on compass for the
[ In Reply To ..]little snowflakes.
I know there's some kind of Resist Trump anarchy - protest going on today.
[ In Reply To ..]We used to call this stuff treason. It's not a peaceful protest. They are trying to overthrow an elected president and govt.
My step sister is a teacher in Chicago attending one of these "events." That's how I know about it. She doesn't believe Jesus walked the Earth, but says if he did she's certain he wanted the government to redistribute wealth. I'm not kidding!
They have hijacked the language that many people do not - pick up on. I remember someone
[ In Reply To ..]posting an article here by Daniel Greenfield and how we are in a Civil War with this resistance movement. It includes the media, the DNC, etc. They do not respect the authority of the Constitution and the law.
This used to be called treason. I just they control - that language too.
[ In Reply To ..]xx
I posted it. As a refresher, here it is. - TruePatriot
[ In Reply To ..]Daniel Greenfield, a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the Freedom Center, is a New York writer focusing on radical Islam.
A civil war has begun.
This civil war is very different than the last one. There are no cannons or cavalry charges. The left doesn’t want to secede. It wants to rule. Political conflicts become civil wars when one side refuses to accept the existing authority. The left has rejected all forms of authority that it doesn’t control.
The left has rejected the outcome of the last two presidential elections won by Republicans. It has rejected the judicial authority of the Supreme Court when it decisions don’t accord with its agenda. It rejects the legislative authority of Congress when it is not dominated by the left.
It rejected the Constitution so long ago that it hardly bears mentioning.
It was for total unilateral executive authority under Obama. And now it’s for states unilaterally deciding what laws they will follow. (As long as that involves defying immigration laws under Trump, not following them under Obama.) It was for the sacrosanct authority of the Senate when it held the majority. Then it decried the Senate as an outmoded institution when the Republicans took it over.
It was for Obama defying the orders of Federal judges, no matter how well grounded in existing law, and it is for Federal judges overriding any order by Trump on any grounds whatsoever. It was for Obama penalizing whistleblowers, but now undermining the government from within has become “patriotic”.
There is no form of legal authority that the left accepts as a permanent institution. It only utilizes forms of authority selectively when it controls them. But when government officials refuse the orders of the duly elected government because their allegiance is to an ideology whose agenda is in conflict with the President and Congress, that’s not activism, protest, politics or civil disobedience; it’s treason.
After losing Congress, the left consolidated its authority in the White House. After losing the White House, the left shifted its center of authority to Federal judges and unelected government officials. Each defeat led the radicalized Democrats to relocate from more democratic to less democratic institutions.
This isn’t just hypocrisy. That’s a common political sin. Hypocrites maneuver within the system. The left has no allegiance to the system. It accepts no laws other than those dictated by its ideology.
Democrats have become radicalized by the left. This doesn’t just mean that they pursue all sorts of bad policies. It means that their first and foremost allegiance is to an ideology, not the Constitution, not our country or our system of government. All of those are only to be used as vehicles for their ideology.
That’s why compromise has become impossible.
Our system of government was designed to allow different groups to negotiate their differences. But those differences were supposed to be based around finding shared interests. The most profound of these shared interests was that of a common country based around certain civilizational values. The left has replaced these Founding ideas with radically different notions and principles. It has rejected the primary importance of the country. As a result it shares little in the way of interests or values.
Instead it has retreated to cultural urban and suburban enclaves where it has centralized tremendous amounts of power while disregarding the interests and values of most of the country. If it considers them at all, it is convinced that they will shortly disappear to be replaced by compliant immigrants and college indoctrinated leftists who will form a permanent demographic majority for its agenda.
But it couldn’t wait that long because it is animated by the conviction that enforcing its ideas is urgent and inevitable. And so it turned what had been a hidden transition into an open break.
In the hidden transition, its authority figures had hijacked the law and every political office they held to pursue their ideological agenda. The left had used its vast cultural power to manufacture a consensus that was slowly transitioning the country from American values to its values and agendas. The right had proven largely impotent in the face of a program which corrupted and subverted from within.
The left was enormously successful in this regard. It was so successful that it lost all sense of proportion and decided to be open about its views and to launch a political power struggle after losing an election.
The Democrats were no longer being slowly injected with leftist ideology. Instead the left openly took over and demanded allegiance to open borders, identity politics and environmental fanaticism. The exodus of voters wiped out the Democrats across much of what the left deemed flyover country.
The left responded to democratic defeats by retreating deeper into undemocratic institutions, whether it was the bureaucracy or the corporate media, while doubling down on its political radicalism. It is now openly defying the outcome of a national election using a coalition of bureaucrats, corporations, unelected officials, celebrities and reporters that are based out of its cultural and political enclaves.
It has responded to a lost election by constructing sanctuary cities and states thereby turning a cultural and ideological secession into a legal secession. But while secessionists want to be left alone authoritarians want everyone to follow their laws. The left is an authoritarian movement that wants total compliance with its dictates with severe punishments for those who disobey.
The left describes its actions as principled. But more accurately they are ideological. Officials at various levels of government have rejected the authority of the President of the United States, of Congress and of the Constitution because those are at odds with their radical ideology. Judges have cloaked this rejection in law. Mayors and governors are not even pretending that their actions are lawful.
The choices of this civil war are painfully clear.
We can have a system of government based around the Constitution with democratically elected representatives. Or we can have one based on the ideological principles of the left in which all laws and processes, including elections and the Constitution, are fig leaves for enforcing social justice.
But we cannot have both.
Some civil wars happen when a political conflict can’t be resolved at the political level. The really bad ones happen when an irresolvable political conflict combines with an irresolvable cultural conflict.
That is what we have now.
The left has made it clear that it will not accept the lawful authority of our system of government. It will not accept the outcome of elections. It will not accept these things because they are at odds with its ideology and because they represent the will of large portions of the country whom they despise.
The question is what comes next.
The last time around growing tensions began to explode in violent confrontations between extremists on both sides. These extremists were lauded by moderates who mainstreamed their views. The first Republican president was elected and rejected. The political tensions led to conflict and then civil war.
The left doesn’t believe in secession. It’s an authoritarian political movement that has lost democratic authority. There is now a political power struggle underway between the democratically elected officials and the undemocratic machinery of government aided by a handful of judges and local elected officials.
What this really means is that there are two competing governments; the legal government and a treasonous anti-government of the left. If this political conflict progresses, agencies and individuals at every level of government will be asked to demonstrate their allegiance to these two competing governments. And that can swiftly and explosively transform into an actual civil war.
There is no sign that the left understands or is troubled by the implications of the conflict it has initiated. And there are few signs that Democrats properly understand the dangerous road that the radical left is drawing them toward. The left assumes that the winners of a democratic election will back down rather than stand on their authority. It is unprepared for the possibility that democracy won’t die in darkness.
Civil wars end when one side is forced to accept the authority of the other. The left expects everyone to accept its ideological authority. Conservatives expect the left to accept Constitutional authority. The conflict is still political and cultural. It’s being fought in the media and within the government. But if neither side backs down, then it will go beyond words as both sides give contradictory orders.
The left is a treasonous movement. The Democrats became a treasonous organization when they fell under the sway of a movement that rejects our system of government, its laws and its elections. Now their treason is coming to a head. They are engaged in a struggle for power against the government. That’s not protest. It’s not activism. The old treason of the sixties has come of age. A civil war has begun.
This is a primal conflict between a totalitarian system and a democratic system. Its outcome will determine whether we will be a free nation or a nation of slaves.
This is good. I recommend The Hidden Evil by - mt
[ In Reply To ..]Mark Rich.
I wonder how long before writers like this are shut down. i feel like they are trying to suppress their opposition voice by getting rid of O'Reilly and Roger Ailes.
To me it seems the opposite - that conservatives - seem to be in the majority here.
[ In Reply To ..]I guess it's all in perception. Maybe we're actually 50/50.
Look at the posts - old and burned out
[ In Reply To ..]They are 90% right-wing.
You are right - unthinking, unreasoning
[ In Reply To ..]right wing Trump supporters who cannot see that their guy has any flaws at all. I've always thought if you could say something in just the right way, you would open up minds and they would understand but not on this board! Let them have it. They can gnaw on each other. I'm outta here!
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