Struggling
Posted: Feb 26, 2016
Sorry in advance for this being so long, but I could really use some impartial advice. My husband and I have been married for almost 20 years, together for 6 years before that, since I was 16. We have always had a pretty chaotic relationship. We lived together before we were married and fought a lot even then. I would go back to my mom's for a few days or couple weeks, and then he would call and I would go back. After we were married, things didn’t get any better. He was in an accident less than a year after the wedding and has not worked since because he says his neck and back hurt too much, so my income has been the only one the entire marriage. There was one point where I was working two full-time jobs and many times where I have worked a full-time and part-time job at the same time. He never helped around the house, didn’t cook, and pretty much didn’t do much of anything other than play video games and order me around as his personal servant. He would insist that I come home on my 30 minute lunch break from work to feed him lunch even though it took 10 minutes each way just to drive home. When we moved even farther than that, he would just starve all day and then blame me because he wasn’t eating anything. When my mother was sick, he was so unsupportive. I was taking her to chemo and doctor's appointments in the city, and he would constantly call and be pissed off because I was taking too long to get home and he was hungry. When she really started getting worse, I came in the bedroom one night really upset and crying. I just wanted someone to comfort me, and all he said was, "She's had cancer for 5 years. What did you think was going to happen? You would think you would be more prepared for this". He has left me various places, left me at work to walk 7 miles home at 1:00 in the morning in a skirt and heels. He locked me out of the house in the middle of winter, knowing I had no money to go anywhere and had to sleep on the deck in the cold. Things have gotten physical occasionally in the past, the last time to the point where he strangled me. His fingermarks were actually bruised into my neck. I left that night, but went back when he threatened to throw my mother's ashes away. He has told pretty much all of our friends that I am crazy and have been diagnosed bipolar, which isn’t even true. At one point, I wasn’t allowed to carry any money or bank cards. I had to ask him for money if I needed anything even though the money was from my pay.
Last year, I left him. My dad had given me a little money and I used it to secure an apartment. I left while he was out with a friend. He had no clue I was leaving. I should have blocked all contact, but I didn’t. He called me constantly saying he had had a revelation and knew how wrong he had been and wanted another chance. I kept telling him no, until he said he was going to sue me for alimony in the divorce, and the lawyer I had said there was a good chance he would get it, possibly even lifetime alimony, since I had been supporting him the entire marriage and we had been married so long. My husband said that if I gave him another chance, he would sign a contract stating he would not sue me for alimony if I ended up deciding I still wanted the divorce. The other terms of the contract were supposed to be that he would do 100% of the housework if he was not contributing to any of the income. So, I let him come back. The lawyer drew up the contract, but he said the contract that was drawn up wasn’t what he agreed to sign on the phone, so it either had to be completely changed or he wasn’t signing. I was so tired of arguing about it at that point, I just said forget it.
He is nicer than he was. He does do some, but not all, of the housework. We have been together for so long, I do care about him, but I'm not in love with him. I'm not physically attracted to him. He has very poor hygiene. He will go for weeks at a time without taking a shower. I'm not sure what he does to clean himself up in between, if anything, but he smells and very rarely uses deodorant. We still fight a lot. There are occasionally times when we have fun together, but most of the time he annoys me almost every time he opens his mouth.
I have told him I still want a divorce. He says he just wants a fair chance to show me he can be the man I fell in love with, and if after that fair chance, I still wanted a divorce, he would sign the papers without suing for alimony if I paid off the credit cards that are in his name. I had no idea how I would come up with the money to do that, but I just got some news that I will be getting some money in a few months, enough to pay off those credit cards, and have a few thousand left over, so what seemed impossible is now very possible as long as he doesn’t go back on what he said and sue me for the alimony anyway. He is desperate to keep me, so it is hard to say what he would do if I leave.
I'm struggling with what to do. I'm not exactly happy in this marriage, but I know he will never leave me or cheat on me. He has no interest in any woman but me, and I really believe this to be true, but I don’t think he could get another woman even if he did try. He is familiar. I don’t have to work at trying to impress him. Like I said, I have never been in the dating scene since we have been together since I was 16. He's the only serious relationship I have ever had, but I had slept with a couple other men when we had broken up before we were married, but that was 20 years ago, and the thought of being with someone new now is pretty scary. My husband always tells me that he is sure I won't have any trouble finding a man to sleep with, but once they get to know me, they are either going to just walk away or beat the crap out of me because if I can drive him to do the things he does and he loves me so much, imagine what someone who doesn’t love me would do. My mom got divorced at 38, and she was alone for the rest of her life. I don't mind being alone, but it would be nice to be in love with someone again. He says that I'm just going through a midlife crisis and my hormones are just out of whack so I want to go sleep with other guys and that is why I want to leave him. He says that I just want that feeling of a new relationship where it is exciting and that is not what real love is about. I realize that love doesn’t stay with that fresh and new feeling forever, but it has to be better than what I'm feeling now, doesn't it?? I also have never lived alone other than the month when I left last year. It was hard, especially moving in and having to carry stuff up the apartment stairs. I'm not that physically strong, but I did it, and I didn’t really mind living alone. It was actually pretty peaceful to be able to do whatever I wanted when I wanted.
I'm not saying I have been a saint in this relationship. I can be really mean and spiteful and I have a bad temper, but it is usually in response to the way he has treated me. My mom always hated him. My dad has met him once and can't stand him. My best friend hates him. Pretty much every friend I have ever had doesn’t like him, and I have actually had friends not come around me anymore because of him. Even his friends have asked me why I stay with him, even though he has always told me that his friends don’t like me. They must be pretty good at acting because it's never really seemed that way to me. It's not even just me that he treats this way. He has a very patronizing attitude towards everyone. He is one of those people that has something to say on every topic, and he always thinks he is right and half the time he is wrong. He says he can't survive without me, and I will be essentially killing him by divorcing him. I just don’t know what to do. I know what my friends will say. They will tell me to leave. I just wanted some advice from people who aren’t biased towards me. If you’ve made it this far, thanks for listening. ;
You deserve to be happy - sm
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It sounds like throughout your whole marriage and dating situation, he has been a taker and you have done all the giving. That is not how marriage works, he is abusive to you and you need to get out, whatever it takes. Tell him basically all he wants is a roommate and you don't want to live like that anymore. You don't deserve to be treated like that and so disrespected. You need to move on to where you can be happy even if it is alone. I broke up with a boyfriend of mine who told me that if I broke up with him, he might as well go kill himself because he wasn't worth anything. I told him I'm sorry he felt that way and it would not be my fault should he make that decision, that was his decision and I would not be blamed for that and I would not be guilted into staying with him. You need to get out of this relationship.
Please watch Lynne Forrest Starting Gate Positions - on victim triangle
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I believe it will open your eyes. You are a rescuer and he is a victim. I have a similar situation with my ex husband. He does work but has brough meth into my home...twice (once I found it in my son's bedroom but he admitted it was his) and cheated on me. However the physical attraction is so strong we were drawn back to one another after the divorce. He signed a quit claim on the house--which I bought initially but we refinanced in both of our names--so I had the house. I had gone into bankruptcy without him. So, anyway he was with this other woman for a little while, lied about that but came back to me. We were spending a lot of time and he suddenly started moving his things back into my house. He does have a 3 room shack his mother left him but he is renting it out to a friend. So here he is mooching off of me (read:not paying any bills), bought himself a 2015 Jeep and paying off all his credit cards and eating my food. I finally got him to pay the water bill this month. To top that off I have found messages on FB and his phone where he tells his friends what a huge witch I am. Well heck yeah i'm a witch because he's a dependent 35 year old man who should know better!!
I know I sound pathetic but in some ways I just don't want to be alone. My front door is difficult to lock and can be opened just by pushing it. I start an internship position next month and will be working 64 hours a week with a job and the intern. So he will be helping with the kids. I really honestly am hoping I will meet someone when I start working outside the home. Not really a committed relationship but just enough to drive him away. I have been with the same man mentally and physically for 13 years and with not leaving home much am just not confident about being being intimate with someone else.
I said all of this to say: I totally know how you feel!!! Here is the link to the starting gate video. It opened my eyes even though it did not really change anything initially
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN3sD6Vr3PE
My thoughts - sm
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Based on what you wrote, he has been physically abusive, untrustworthy, narcissistic, lazy, and emotionally cruel. He definitely does not want a divorce. Why would he? He has someone to take care of him and wait on him hand and foot.
When a person is married, they are accountable (or should be) to their spouse. It sounds like you don't really hold him accountable for anything. I know it must be hard after all these years, but if he is really even interested in making an effort to keep the marriage together, he has to listen to what your needs and expectations are, and then there should be some sort of consequence if he does not hold up his end of the bargain. Think about it. People who act with impunity have no motivation to ever change. Things will NOT change as long as he is not made to be accountable. He should also tell you what he expects from you, but it sounds like you're already doing more than your fair share. It is very reasonable for him to do all the housework if he does not have a job outside the home earning a paycheck--that includes the shopping and cooking, too.
Divorce is a painful ordeal--before, during and after--and I believe married couples should make every effort to work toward a successful marriage. Right now, your husband is doing the very minimum to get what HE wants, which is to stay married so he doesn't have to be responsible and will have someone take care of him. That's not making every effort.
Have you thought of marriage counseling? Having an impartial 3rd party listen to the husband and the wife can help a couple see things more clearly and even help them decide whether they truly want to work on the marriage or just cut their losses.
I don't know that I would trust him to go away quietly like he says he would after you've given him another chance. He might turn the screws on you if you tell him it's over.
If I were in this situation, the first thing I would do is pray. There are lots of difficult issues here. We might not have the answers, but God does, and He can do anything.
I think deep down you do know what to do - MT
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I feel for you, though, because it's hard with all the history you two have and you are a caring, giving person.
View what you wrote as if a dear friend or loved family member wrote that to you and was asking for advice. What would you say? I think it's pretty evident.
It's despicable the way he selfishly takes from you, and boy does he know how to manipulate you on top of that. Re-read what you wrote and deep down you know that there is happier life for you. The longer you wait, the harder it is. It will be tough now, but I truly believe a year from now, you will wish you had done it sooner.
Good luck and positive thoughts to you. I am rooting for you!
Thank you for your kind replies - OP
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I appreciate all of your responses and advice. I guess I really do know that I could be happier without him, even if that means being alone for the rest of my life. It's just scary thinking about being alone when you really never have been before. I went from living with my mom to living with him, and I don't even really have very many close friends. To be honest, I have one close friend and that's about it. It's also scary thinking about what he will do if I try to divorce him. I can't imagine him ever letting me go and he has done and threatened to do some pretty horrible things when I have tried to leave in the past. Anyway, thanks again for listening and for your advice. I truly do appreciate it.
This is going to seem harsh but I don't mince words... - sm
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and won't get all flowery in my prose or spout psycho-babble at you. DUMP HIM. Life is too short to be so unhappy.
He's not a real man. - anon
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A real man works. I can't stand these guys who sponge off women. They are not real men. Even if the woman works too, a real man needs to have a job. I don't consider cleaning the house to be enough to make it even for the two of you. Now if you had kids and he took care of them and the house too, then I think that would be fair and even, but you are supporting him while he does not pull his weight. He has problems that you don't need. Get away from him. Cut off all contact. Do not pay his credit cards off, keep all your money for yourself and a lawyer (a good one who will get you a clean divorce and not have you paying him alimony for abusing you and living off you). It would be better for you to be alone and take some time to understand yourself and why you allowed this guy to take advantage of you for so long. Eventually, if you get your own act together, you will probably attract more friends and maybe even a nice man so that you will not be "alone forever."
Choose Happiness! - LR5
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My situation was different than yours, I was in a mentally abusive relationship that later turned physical and I had a 3-year-old daughter. After 6 yrs I got out and it wasn't easy.
Maybe make a pros and cons list to help you decide. I too thought at 35 with a young child I would be alone and told myself "okay so what focus on me and my daughter and move on" a man was the last thing on my mind. Six months later I met the man I am now married to 18 yrs. Leaving has nothing to do with him, but you. If you feel you have done all YOU can for the relationship, then it's time to focus on YOU. If he is not willing to make sure you are happy, then it's time to ask what do you want? Women are so quick to put their needs and wants second (I'm guilty of it) but as we get older and hopefully wiser, we learn we have to do for ourselves because no one else will! CHOOSE to be happy don't wait for it! You can't worry about how he will feel any more, I think you have done that. Close this chapter and open a new one. Even though I was leaving an abusive type of relationship I can't tell you what a burden it lifted off of me to stop trying to "make it work" You don't want to look back and say "I wish I had left" Just do it!!Wishing you all the best!
He has shown you what he is - xx
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for the 20 years or more that you have been together. What makes you think anything will change? You know what he is. You need to decide if that is what you are willing to settle for. Is the life you have the life you want to have forever?
Based on what you wrote, you don't need a marriage counselor. - sm
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You need a good divorce lawyer to get yourself out of this marriage on the best financial terms possible and a good psychiatrist to help you understand why you have allowed yourself to be abused so badly for so many years.
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There is something wrong with the guy and with the OP. True, the OP is the victim, but she's setting herself up for it and needs to find out why she is taking this abuse, and why she is holding onto hope that he is going to somehow miraculously change.
OP, I'm not meaning to cut you down. But you keep believing, believing that something is going to change. Yes, people change, but he sounds like a manipulator and he has no reason to try to change, because you give him no reason to change.
It sounds like you have no kids (at least young ones), so for that, I'm thankful. People put young kids in horrible situations, so I'm glad you're not one of them. When people have young children and put them in harm's way (yes, it is psychologically harmful to young children to watch their mom get abused), I want to throttle both the abuser AND the person who is allowing the abuse.
If it was easy for you to "just leave," you would have done so. Please get some serious psychological counseling so you don't continue with this person, or continue the pattern throughout your life if you do leave this person.
Best of luck to you.
I can't believe you haven't put a pillow over his face yet! sm - Ben Dover
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I know I would have. It took me 22 years of living in misery before I left my ex and divorced him. I too was afraid of being alone, but you know what? I'm fine with it now. I had the attitude that if another relationship was in my future it would happen and it did. As someone else said find a GOOD divorce lawyer and get the ball rolling without agreeing to any of his demands.
As far as the telling you his friends don't like you and telling his friends that you are a witch? My ex did that and it turned out that everything he said I was doing HE was doing and his friends, my friends and mutual friends ALL saw it for what it was. Quit worrying about what he is telling others. It is time for you to watch out for YOU and nobody else.
Be strong!
Similar situation - Linda
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First of all, I'm so sorry you are in this situation.
This man is abusive. Locking you out of the house all night in the winter says a lot about him and he is poison.
Does he collect disability? If not, why not? Could he be collecting it an stashing it somewhere? If the man is disabled he can get disability and Medicare, no matter what his age is. Please do not fall for any of his guilt games (you will be killing him if you leave). He will be fine. He will either have to get a job and work for a living or get disability. You owe him nothing!
With the money you will receive, please do not tell him about it, just put it in your own account or have a relative hold it for you. This will give you a chance to escape.
In domestic violence situations, getting away can be dangerous, so you should have everything set up ahead of time so you can just grab a suitcase and leave. This should be done when you regularly leave for work so that he will not have a clue that you are leaving. Don't be afraid to call police if he makes any threats. You might want to get a restraining order to keep him away. I think that costs about $250.
There is an app you can download to your cell phone that was created for women in relationships like this. It was created by Dr. Phil's wife, Robin. You can download it here:
https://www.whengeorgiasmiled.org/the-aspire-news-app/
It looks like a news app on your phone This app allows you, with the touch of a button, notify police or anyone you have set up for it to notify that you are in trouble. It also start recording without turning on any red button or indication that it's doing anything. This is a really great app to have for security. With the touch of one button police can be on their way.
One thing that happens to those of us who have been in toxic and abusive living situations is that your self esteem can hit bottom from all the put downs you are subjected to. Some women end up believing they are not worth anything better.
Regarding this mans threat to file for alimony, I would use some of your extra money coming in to get consult a family attorney. I'm not sure if the one you talked to was a family attorney, but you should talk to one. If this man got away with alimony it would be such an injustice!
Good luck to you. Please keep us posted on how you are doing. I think it's important that he have no clue you are planning to leave.
I got out of a similar situation with a man I was with 6 years. I shed a few tears but my life got so much better immediately. I'm sure you will experience the same.
Don't pay anything yet!--sm - anon
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Before you pay those credit cards, get a lawyer and get in writing into the divorce settlement that you will pay the credit cards if he does not seek alimony.
Since you know you want a divorce, start taking the steps necessary to make your transition as smooth as possible. I would watch every dime, talk to a lawyer about what you should be doing, get all your ducks in a row. Then, when you get that money, handle it wisely and do not do anything until you have a contractual agreement that he will not pursue alimony in exchange for the credit cards. Also, start resolving any joint accounts now.
As far as a new relationship is concerned, I think you are putting the cart before the horse. Once your divorce is taken care of, take the time to explore life and get to know yourself and leave yourself open to the possibilities. They will come and you will learn to handle it then but it should have no bearing on what you need to do right now.
What husband has cost you - Linda
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If you have supported this guy for all the time you have been together, and say it costs you $800 a month to support him by paying his share of the mortgate, food, gasoline, utilities, etc., then you have spent nearly $21,000.00 supporting him. I would NOT pay his credit card bills! You owe him nothing!
I have known men like your husband and they never give anything unless they are forced to. It is a constant battle to get them to pitch in even a tiny amount of work. They do not keep their promises and 26 years has been long enough for this guy to grow up and pitch in. He's hopeless. Marital counseling, while good for most couples would not work with this guy because he will only pretend to give for a short time and go right back to being a user.
About being alone. Ever since I lived with a bipolar sociopath for 6 years, I have lived alone and loved it. You are still young and have a lot of life left to live. It's doubtful you would be alone forever. I am, but by my choice. Imagine having no one to put you down, having a clean house, not having to waste your lunch break driving home to feed him, not getting manipulated and guilted into giving in. You have a great life ahead of you.
The only thing that is hard for me, living alone in my 60s is having to lift heavy things. That is it! Otherwise I love living alone.
You need to consult with a family law attorney about avoiding paying alimony and the possibility that he could claim half the house since his name is on the refinance loan documents. I hope that you can simply show that you have made every payment yourself. It will be good to get legal advice before making your move.
uh, leave now.....sm - XXX
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Not trying to be mean but get your butt out of there and quite caving in. Do not pay off his CCs. Go talk to lawyer, get all the information you need now before you leave him. Find out if it is a possibility that he can get alimony from you. Is he on disability? If he never filed for SS disability then odds are he is not really disabled, just very, very lazy and married to a sucker who wants to believe everything he says. You have given him more than enough chances and have no reason to feel guilty about leaving him. Believe me he won't starve, he will latch onto someone else and get them to take care of him. He will clean himself up and spin some tale of woe to some unsuspecting girl and suck her in like he sucked you in. Even if you get him to sign a paper (which you better get witnessed and notarized) that says he will not sue you for alimony if you pay off his CCs, he may pull the "but I signed it under duress" so it is not valid, that he was so freaked out about you leaving that he felt he had no choice, blah, blah, blah. That paper would be worthless and you'd end up paying of all his debts and paying him alimony as well. So get your ducks in a row and leave, unless you want things to stay as they are, probably get worse and grow into an old bitter woman. Least if you go you have a chance at a better and happier life, right now you have no chance of that. Good luck.
Thanks again - OP
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Thank you everyone. There are no children, just pets. I am worried he will try to take them from me. He did file for disability and it was denied. We did the appeal hearing and went through the process, had a lawyer, still denied because he waited too long after the accident to file and they don't believe the problems are related to the accident. I work from home now, so can't really pretend to go to work and leave. We are pretty much together 24/7. I just need to start planning something now. Thanks again for all your replies.
True colors - Backwoods Typist
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A couple of previous posters made a good point that he will not change. The only reason he is doing what he is doing is because he is trying to keep his meal ticket. He has shown his true colors
I think you know what is best for you, and you have known for a while what you really want, but I understand that you are scared. History or not, this guy is not good for you. I would have been OUT had he locked me out in the middle of winter and left me to walk 7 miles in skirt and heels. He would have been 6 feet under after the strangling incident. By your post, you sound to have a very good head on your shoulders and know that this whole situation is not good for you. You deserve so much better. And you want better. Do not feel guilty for wanting it. A marriage is a partnership, but what you describe is far from it.
One thing I would consider is a consultation with a second attorney to see what advice they give you and if it jives with the first attorney. Most do a free consultation. You have nothing to lose but time. When planning your agreement, make sure to include your beloved pets.
Start getting your own accounts set up and/or taking his name off of them. He does not contribute and probably is too lazy to even take a bill and drop it in the mailbox or go to the post office. He probably wouldn't even find the energy to pick up the phone and call to pay it since he's busy playing his games. Thus, really there is no reason for his name to be on them. If you have a joint account, start your own (preferably at a different bank) and deposit money there. This will help separate you financially. The money you are supposed to get in a little bit...tell him NOTHING about it. Stash it somehow...a different account, with a friend, just somewhere he cant get his hands on it.
Would your close friend/s be willing to help you in some way to get out? Like for lawyer communications and such, maybe a temporary place to stay? Just something to consider. You know your friends want better for you.
I, too, have been in a mentally abusive relationship and I know how confusing and frustrating it can be not knowing which way to go (I care about him, but I don't). We were not married (thank goodness), no kids (he had 1 from previous marriage) and I should have left a long time before I actually did. Once I left, I saw our relationship for what it really was and started experiencing life for the good instead of the bad. Things really changed for the better for me. I met my now hubby of 13 years.
Start getting your stuff in line, however and whatever it takes to get it done. How you have stood things this long I have no clue. There are better things, and people, out there waiting for you. Get out. Do not be afraid of being alone. Being alone for a little while may be a good thing for you to get yourself in line and concentrate on your internship. Then you have the opportunity at that point to take things day by day at your pace and just be open to whatever, and whoever, may come. You don't want to have regrets that you stayed later in life. You don't want to be a bitter old lady. Then you really WILL be alone.
Try - to
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get a new man and then get rid of the old one. You have been a puppet for so long, I doubt you will be able to make breakthrough changes.
Please update us "justme" - anon
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Have you made any decisions or taken any actions yet? I'm curious if you took any of our advice.
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