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Posted: Nov 24, 2014
Double YAY!! Let's move on and let there be peace.;
Yay! It's open season... - righto
[ In Reply To ..]...on black men who are a perceived threat. Open the champagne!
This certainly is not a joking matter. - ProMT
[ In Reply To ..]This was a tragic situation and a young life was lost. There is never a reason to celebrate a sad situation like this.
It was sarcasm. - righto
[ In Reply To ..]Darren Wilson got away with murder. Just another day in 'Murrica.
Evidently the evidence showed otherwise - Your post was offensive
[ In Reply To ..]And goes against everything our country is. We have trials and juries, judges and lawyers. They look at the evidence and make the best decisions they can. Sometimes we don't agree with the outcome (remember Casey Anthony or Trayvon Martin), but it is America and this is how the justice system work.
In this case you had a young man. He stole some cigars from a store and assaulted the store owner. Police showed up after 911 was called. The perp charged and beat up a cop and went for his gun. Nothing matters about race, the fact was someone stole something then went after a police officer. Evidently that is the evidence the jury came to also because of the proof.
This is not about "open season on blacks". Nothing is said when blacks kill blacks or whites kills white or black kills whites. To try and make this into a racial case then you are basically saying that the lives of white people don't matter. This was a case that should have stayed in its own town and not become this publicized. There are thousands and thousands of cases like this going on all over the country with people of all colors. Is the medial to analyze and is the president going to get involved in every single criminal case that happens in this country. Sorry don't think they have time for that.
Officer Wilson did not get away with murder. But when you have a thief coming after you what do you want that the police should just stand there, get beat up and let perps take their gun.
It goes back to the legal system. Let the juries decide and people need to remains calm. There is never a good reason for them to riot, even if politicians and people like Al Sharpton is egging them on to.
McCulloch was an inappropriate prosecutor - sm
[ In Reply To ..]In fact, it was as if there were no prosecutor at all. Darren Wilson had 2 attorneys, the prosecuting attorney (whose father had been a policeman killed by a black man and McCulloch was also the very same prosecutor who worked with these police officers prosecuting cases against the citizens of SL County). Then, of course, Wilson had his own attorneys.
Wilson fired 12 times. The body was 153 feet from the police car. Not much of a cop, I would say. No point in debating all of the points, individually, with each other. The Browns will file a civil suit. I hope they win, although it will not bring back their child.
But observe the protests throughout the United States. This is not just a St. Louis reaction. It is not just about the looters in Ferguson. Seattle, Philadelphia, Denver, New York, Oakland, Washington D.C. Many people are very disappointed with this outcome.
The corruption in the SLCPD has allowed this to happen. I just can't believe with this many watching, even they would allow this to happen. I thought they were smarter than this.
That is your opinion. Evidently the courts thought he was fine - Your post was offensive
[ In Reply To ..]Again, we need to have faith in the justice system. If there was something wrong it would have been addressed. Lawyers, prosecutors, jury members are all chosen. You feel the prosecutor was inappropriate because it didn't go your way.
This case should not have gotten as far as it did media wise. Politicians need to stay out of cases that do should not be made national. This should not have been a national case. If you make this case national then you need to make every single case in the country national. This had nothing to do with race (that is until a politician sent Mr. Racist - Actually 3 racists (Mo, Larry & Curly) down to turn it into a race case and get a race war going.
Many people were disappointed in a lot of cases. It is not their place to riot because they didn't get their way. They are acting like animals with some saying they are going to rape a police officers wife now. Really? You're going to rape someone if you don't get your way? That is not how the system works. We have courts and trials and juries and prosecutors and lawyers. The justice system decides and no matter how much someone does not like the outcome, the evidence is studied. You cannot convict someone of a crime if there is no evidence to back it up. That's why Casey Anthony walked, that is why OJ walked, that is why a lot of people are not convicted, because there is not enough evidence.
In America we have a justice system. I'm sure no black, hispanic or any race would want to be convicted of a crime and thrown in jail if there was no evidence to prove he did what he was convicted of.
Let the justice system handle this. People need to live in accordance with the laws and not decide they are going to riot and rape police officers wives because they don't get their way.
Otherwise, lets just do away with all of them. Do away with jails, do away with trials. Everyone run free to steal, beat up police officers, rape, steal, drugs, traffic violations, etc without any consequences.
There will always be someone unhappy with how a case turns out. The legal system did the best they could. The jurors looked at the evidence and if it doesn't support something they cannot convict someone of something they didn't do, just because the person who committed the crime was of another color.
I'm hoping this will fizzle down. People need to go back to their homes and move on with their lives.
No it wasn't - Reader
[ In Reply To ..]His/her post was not at all offensive. Except perhaps in the "offended by any opinion different from mine" way.
Yes it was - has nothing to do with difference of opinion - saying Yay it's open season on black men
[ In Reply To ..]Open the Champaigne is very offensive.
This is no time for attempts at sick humor.
It wasn't an attempt at "sick humor." - sm
[ In Reply To ..]Obviously you don't get sarcasm. Enjoy your sense of self-righteousness.
Then it should not have been said in the first place - No place for sick humor or sarcasm
[ In Reply To ..]Enjoy your utter display of lack of empathy.
Why don't people understand? - SM
[ In Reply To ..]None of this would be happening if a young man had not committed a crime in the first place. The blame lies with the perpetrator.
OK I live here, I can smell the smoke from - burning business and cars on fire
[ In Reply To ..]None of you can understand that the killing of Michael Brown Jr was just the symptom of what we live with here. I am a college educated woman, have never broken the law, never been arrested and the most frightening thing to see in my rearview mirror is a Ferguson/Jennings police officer. You are never going to understand unless you live it, never......
You don't need to live there to understand it - sm
[ In Reply To ..]We understand it better than you think we do.
It's happening all over the country. The police officer would not have been there if someone had not committed a crime. There is no reason to be afraid of the police if you are not doing anything wrong.
I live in a big city, I have a friend who lives near St. Louis. I fear for her safety from the gangs who don't like the decision so are committing violence because the case did not go the way they wanted it to. Actually we feared before that because we heard they were going to riot whether or not he was convicted.
What I find frightening is the thought of walking down the street and someone decides to do the knock-out game on me. I find it frightening to know that there are people who will abduct women walking alone and take them who knows where and does who knows what with them. I'm afraid of the gangs who walk around the street terrorizing others. I'm afraid of the people who walk up and down my road that don't live here that are studying the homes of our neighbors who are at work. Of the guy that jumped our neighbors fence and when she got home tried to break in and had we not been here to hear her screams she would have been attacked, raped or worse. Those are the people I'm afraid of. Not the police who answers calls to locate perps who just robbed a store and beat up the store owner or patrolling to watch for criminals. I'm not afraid of the police who drive through our neighborhood occasionally to make sure everyone is safe.
Everyone has their zone of fear. I just don't fear the people who are here protecting us.
You say you understand - sm
[ In Reply To ..]and in the next line say that if you do nothing wrong you have nothing to fear. You do not understand. That is exactly what she said. She said there is absolutely no reason for her to be stopped nor arrest, she is an upstanding citizen" and she fears the police in her rearview. Imagine what it is to be a little lower on the curve, or younger or in a car that has a few dents or you have some outstanding parking tickets. Her fear does not go away just because we say it should. It is real. It is played out every day in many cities, including St. Louis.
I understand better than you think I do - poster you replied to
[ In Reply To ..]I stand by my original post. I and others understand better than you think we do. I will not go into explanation as to why. Doesn't matter. Just know that others understand. It doesn't affect only people where there are fires going on in the streets. Fear is everywhere. We understand.
Afraid - With good cause
[ In Reply To ..]"The police officer would not have been there if someone had not committed a crime. There is no reason to be afraid of the police if you are not doing anything wrong."
I'm sure that John Crawford, the man who was shot and killed by police for the crime of trying to purchase a BB gun while black in a Walmart, would not agree with that assessment.
I have a friend (a white woman) who has - never committed a crime - sm
[ In Reply To ..]in her life, but she is now scared of cops because she was downtown at a New Year's Eve fireworks celebration, and after it was over and everyone was going back to their cars, the cops started getting antsy, even though NOTHING was happening at all. People were happy, and just walking back to their cars. Then a cop came up and told the crowd to "move faster", and to "clear the area". People were pretty closely packed, and they were doing the best they could. She was just moving along with the crowd, when a cop suddenly came up behind her, shoulted "I TOLD you to move FASTER!" Then he shoved her hard enough to knock her to the ground. And as soon as she hit the ground, he cuffed her for NO REASON, and she was arrested and sent to jail.
I find that hard to believe... - come on now.
[ In Reply To ..]They would not have cuffed her and sent her to jail if she was not doing anything. The police would not be getting antsy unless something else was going on.
I do not. - sm
[ In Reply To ..]I have seen it. It has happened to a loved one.
It was the absolute, 100% truth. She got out - the next day, but still....!
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"The police officer would not have been there if someone had not committed a crime. There is no - Maybe knowing the facts would help you understand
[ In Reply To ..]Darren Wilson was there on a "sick baby call." He heard the call about the stealing from the store while he was trying to "force" Michael Brown to get out of the street. What you also do not know is that a lot of those streets do not have sidewalks. Also what you clearly do not know is that stealing cigars from a convenience store is not a death penalty case and Darren Wilson does not get to appoint himself judge, jury, and executioner.
thank you for the sanity - nm
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The shooting in Ferguson was a symptom of - what has been wrong in - msg
[ In Reply To ..]cities and towns all across America. Cops are a little too quick to assume just because a person is black, that they're up to no good.
And if that person does happen to be up to no good, the cops are way too quick to use deadly force. They do it because they keep getting away with it.
AMEN! - SM
[ In Reply To ..]I do not live in Missouri, but a good friend is a retired police officer in my home town. He retired early because of all the gang activity, and the real fear that he may stop someone for speeding, and end up getting his face blown off. I am sick to my stomach with the damn "home boys" and what they have done and continue to do to this country that my dad and uncles fought for. A huge pat on the back from me to all who put their lives in danger each and every minute on the streets of this gang-ridden, deteriorating society.
Seriously?! - TrampledUnderfoot
[ In Reply To ..]Are you seriously more frightened of a police officer than of the looting, burning and mayhem going on right now? Maybe you're close enough to smell the smoke, but I assume you're not in the middle of town right now. I'm willing to bet if you owned a store that is currently being looted and set afire, you'd be pretty darn happy to see a police officer.
@ Seriously?! - TrampledUnderfoot - Spoken like a person of privilige who has been
[ In Reply To ..]"served and protected by the police" all of your life!
I don't think you understood her point - nm
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She didn't say she was more afraid of police - than looters
[ In Reply To ..]interesting question though.
It is enough of a point for me that she is afraid of police in a normal everyday way.
Seems strange to me.... - TrampledUnderfoot
[ In Reply To ..]She said there was "nothing more frightening" than seeing a police officer. Her words, not mine. Yet she also says she has never been arrested. It sounds to me like if it is as corrupt as she implies, she would have been arrested on some trumped-up charges somewhere.
And the whole "frightening" policeman thing irks me. What if she had been the convenience store clerk being robbed? Would she have been terrified to see a policeman walk in then? There is a double standard there and a blanket generalization that never pans out. ALL policemen are not corrupt. ALL policeman do not hate black people. ALL black people are not criminals. Any time you lump them ALL in one bunch, you're just going to make a fool of yourself.
I think this is semantics and context - sm
[ In Reply To ..]She said, "the most frightening thing to see in my rearview mirror is a Ferguson/Jennings police officer."
I am sure she meant in general, everyday life. The point was that average people are afraid of the police. This was not a reference to whom she preferred during last night's violence. Hopefully, we don't mean to tell her that if she hopes for protection against that sort of violence she needs to put up and shut up with the police misconduct in general.
wait a second - sm
[ In Reply To ..]That the poster feels frightened by seeing the Ferguson police in her rearview mirror is indicative of a law enforcement culture gone awry.
And you think she must be wrong, otherwise "she would have been arrested on some trumped-up charges somewhere?" Really?
So, it irks you that a citizen feels fear when approached by police, unless they have experienced being arrested? I'm surprised you don't suspect she is transporting crack in her trunk.
Missing - the point
[ In Reply To ..]Thing is, as a law abiding citizen she shouldn't have to be afraid of the cops. At all. Ever.
That she (and many others) are, shows that there is something seriously wrong.
Since when are the police the judge and jury? The blame lies - with
[ In Reply To ..]the police officer who had no business being a police officer as he obviously was not qualified for that position. He either wasn't trained to do the job, or he wasn't fit to do the job. How many officers have been under the same pressure and resort to doing their jobs properly (ever hear of a stun gun?) rather than resorting to murdering a citizen that is innocent until proven guilty.
I understand being responsible for actions and some bad actions have bad outcomes, but police are held to a higher standard and if they can't uphold the law themselves, then they have no business doing the job. This killer police officer unfortunately found out he lacked what it takes too late. He is resigning. The world will be a better place.
You are so right, this is where Darren Wilson worked - before he came to Ferguson PD
[ In Reply To ..]FERGUSON, Mo. — The small city of Jennings, Mo., had a police department so troubled, and with so much tension between white officers and black residents, that the city council finally decided to disband it. Everyone in the Jennings police department was fired. New officers were brought in to create a credible department from scratch.
That was three years ago. One of the officers who worked in that department, and lost his job along with everyone else, was a young man named Darren Wilson.
Why don't young men of color become police officers - question
[ In Reply To ..]in cities like Ferguson and uphold the law rather than leading a life of crime and breaking the law and then complaining about law enforcement?
The blame also lies with the fact that more - and more, the police are now - sm
[ In Reply To ..]nothing more than corporate mercenary armies.
walking down the street is not a crime - sm
[ In Reply To ..]It's just not. It is not a reason to be detained. It is not a reason to be shot.
But no one deserves to DIE for petty theft. - Cop was trigger-happy.
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MB did not die because he was a petty thief. - ProMT
[ In Reply To ..]He assaulted a police officer, who had every right to defend himself and did just that. It is why MB is no longer alive, because MB exhibited very poor judgment that day in many ways, and one cost him his life.
No, he died because the Ferguson police are - obviously very poorly trained.
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Then why didn't Michael Brown - SM
[ In Reply To ..]KEEP it at petty theft? Why did he take it on himself to be a punk and resist arrest and become violent? Why do some of you seem to want to skip that part of the story?
That's only the cop's version. - nm
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The red marks on the officer's face - SM
[ In Reply To ..]prove that he was attacked by Michael Brown.
and firing 12 shots prove Brown was executed - nm
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They don't look like an attack, the marks look - more like a sunburn. Or embarrassment.
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Totally agree with that - SM
[ In Reply To ..]I am so tired of hearing the same thing over and over. If you don't want to end up in jail or dead, obey the law. It's as simple as that. The "kid" was nearly 300 pounds, and from everything I saw on TV in the store where he stole the cigars, he was smart a** who thought he had something to prove. When you resist arrest and become combative and display violent behavior, the police have every right to do what they are trained to do. My heart goes out to the peaceful, law abiding people who had stores looted and businesses burned.
Re: No indictment - anonie
[ In Reply To ..]No one stops to think about poor Martin Luther King who was gunned down. Did he stand for riots and mahem. No he stood for peace.
I heard one reporter say it slapped the face of the very man himself and what he did for Civil Rights.
The man had stolen and abused the owner of the establishment. He defied the policeman who told the two to get out of the middle of the street.
He did attack the officer in his quad car or whatever. I guess the only real thing is that why do they have to teach them to shoot in the vital areas. I mean can't you cripple a man shooting him in the legs. However, this is not the way the train officers.
Also, how come the officer had no taser? I mean isn't this supposed to help shooting people unnecessarily.
How do we also know if Michael Brown somehow wanted the policeman to shoot him. Suicide by cop maybe.
These are all theories but the main thing is that this has set back Civil Rights and any kind of meaningful dialogue between blacks and whites.
We are going to have a common enemy soon that we will need to fight together. With all these illegals coming across the border and being given amnesty, then we are going to have to fight for our own existence, the actual born and raised citizens of this country. These illegals are notorious to be drug dealers, killers, rapists, etc. Wait till one of them hurts a black person.
Honestly, we citizens have to stick together no matter what.
I just hate that Dr. King's legacy has been so tarnished. He would not have wanted this at all. I admired that man. I do not admire Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton, who seem to like to constantly play the race game.
This young man if he had been white would not have had such a big deal made over him.
I for one am sick of racism and never have practiced it. I thin it is counterproductive, destructive and really an insane and stupid way to handle conflicts.
The government should have stayed out of it and most of all Eric Holder and President Obama. Just because they are black did not mean that they should automatically side with the black teen.
Gosh I hope this madness does not spread nationwide and ruin all that has been accomplished.
The facts and evidence proved the officer did what he had to do. What if it were a black man who shot a white teen?
I feel for the teen's mother, but she will have to accept the video of her son taking those things and how he abused the owner and then take into consideration that his attitude got him shot. He didn't have to resist arrest and he would still be alive. I think there was more to Michael Brown than meets the eye.
I pray things will settle down and none of this will permanently ruin race relations. I was so glad when we all got past this whole 50s and60s injustice and everyone was benefited by the Civil Rights act.
I am sure Abraham Lincoln is also rolling in his grave as well.
Common sense has to prevail.
I think I read last night, from - DW testimony
[ In Reply To ..]that DW (DW's words) didn't like to carry a taser, it was uncomfortable.
Some would say that all that has been accomplished has produced an unequal and unjust status quo. I am not certain how I feel about the next steps, but I hope all of this violence has not been committed in vain. I hope people learn from it and address the racism that does still exist.
I also would ask everyone to examine their lives, thoughts, behaviors and situations and find the racism and try to extinguish it.
I agree - TrampledUnderfoot
[ In Reply To ..]I have often thought too why they couldn't shoot to wound rather than kill. But that has nothing to do whether the person they shot was black, white, purple, old or young. Cops generally shoot to kill.
I live near Philadelphia where black-on-black violence is an everyday occurrence. Every morning you turn on the news, there will have been several shootings overnight (most fatal) and it seems it has gotten to the point that no one blinks an eye. They will show the grieving relatives, but there is no outcry unless a cop was the shooter. There are shootings where the victim is a child inside a home or someone walking home from work caught in the crossfire of some pointless gunfire. Why don't the people riot then?
Of course it's different when the shooter is a cop - sm
[ In Reply To ..]Violence among criminals happens all the time. It is not germane to compare citizen violence with law enforcement shooting citizens.
A police officer is in charge of enforcing the law. Thus, when a police officer guns down an unarmed citizen, it becomes an issue of the state infringing upon the civil rights of that individual. If you don't understand the difference, that's a big problem.
RE: No indictment - Trampled under foot.
[ In Reply To ..]Why are they immortalizing Michael Brown who was an obvious criminal? I am sick and tired of the race card being played over and over again. I worked across the street from Cabrini Green, the black panthers would come in asking for "donations" on a regular basis. I was there when Martin Luther King was killed and the police came in told us to get our things and follow the route they provided for us to get out. When I looked back I couldn't believe my eyes. I didn't kill Martin Luther, the people of Chicago didn't kill Martin Luther, why the violence? I have many good black friends who I care about, who have the same opinions as white people = get off public aid, get jobs, stop killing and stealing and be productive human beings. I sleep only 3-4 hours a night (more than 1 job)just to make enough to pay my bills. One of my close black friends, works several jobs, 7 days a week to pay her bills, we are not out robbing and stealing to make our lives easier or because we feel we are entitled.
For example a few weeks ago I was in the grocery store, there was a very large black man harrassing the tiny white checkout person who was in the 15 and under lane, he had 2 carts filled with steaks and ribs and wanted her to check 15 items at a time and he got beligerent because she refused. He made a huge unpleasant ruckus in the store - certainly doesn't help the perception of black America. If you want respect and want to be treated fairly you have to change your ways. Why loot and burn down businesses? What purpose does that serve? The police have to deal with murder, shootings, drugs and some sort of abuse every day, their job certainly isn't easy. Some have attitudes but you can't blame them. We as transcriptionist have attitudes as well and are bitter at what has happened to this industry and the treatment, loss of revenue and benefits by the MTSO's, and yet our jobs are not life threatening. Is there a race card for that? There is no fairness in being a woman either.
We all need to work for a common ground, after all isn't that what America is about?
It's not "common ground" when one segment - of the population gets shot - sm
[ In Reply To ..]during an arrest more frequently than other segments of the population.
Cops shoot to kill because they don't want the - victim testifying against them. NM
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I don't want to believe that - that offends my
[ In Reply To ..]hope for society.
attitude is not a reason to be shot - sm
[ In Reply To ..]Advancing the idea of suicide by cop is heinous in this case and does not erase the fact that the young man was, in fact, unarmed, shot, and killed in the street.
If you think you have never practiced racism, reconsider your analysis: "These illegals are notorious to be drug dealers, killers, rapists, etc."
It wasn't attitude that got him killed. - sm
[ In Reply To ..]I think we should ALL read the Grand Jury report to gain a better understanding and hopefully bring about calm.
pardon me, but the poster to whom I responded stated... - sm
[ In Reply To ..]that Michael Brown's mother should "take into consideration that his attitude got him shot."
Grand juries do not issue reports.
I've given cops "attitudes" before, but because - I am white, I wasnt shot at.
[ In Reply To ..]Had I been black or hispanic and given the cops a 'tude, my chances of surviving the confrontation would go down dramatically.
Let us not forget how LONG he was left to lie in the street!!!! - nm
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That alone showed a great deal of disrepect - to him and to the community.
[ In Reply To ..]nm
I've been listening to a lot of discussions on the - radio this morning, and the - SM
[ In Reply To ..]most common thing I've been hearing is that regardless of what REALLY took place that day to lead up to the shooting, that the cop was VERY badly-trained.
It was a travesty. First-degree murder? No. - But he should at LEAST have -sm
[ In Reply To ..]been indicted for voluntary or "involuntary" manslaughter. Or negligence.
The photos of the so-called "injuries" on the cop's face were a total laugh. Looked more like a sunburn to me.
Totally agree with you! - He should have faced some charges,
[ In Reply To ..]Rather than getting off Scott free. If he was a smart man, and I would question this, he should look at relocating to parts unknown!
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