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Wow, that was an incredible eulogy
Posted: Jun 26, 2015
He covered just about every major issue with GRACE intertwined into each subject--Amazing Grace. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvXxDWdcYkI Okay, he should not give up his day job for singing, but this moment was Amazing. http://www.occupydemocrats.com/watch-obama-sings-amazing-grace-at-charleston-reverends-eulogy/;
I couldn't agree more...an incredibly moving eulogy - Mscuedawg
[ In Reply To ..]and the grace of those familiies of the victims...
Preaching politics in a church. - That was rich.
[ In Reply To ..]Talk about bigotry.
Yeah, but he's king. He can do anything he wants. - Debi
[ In Reply To ..]But he's the only one who can do what he wants. The rest of us have to abide by his dictatorial rules.
Tell the truth now - Just a MT
[ In Reply To ..]The eulogy was given at the TD sports arena, College of Charleston, not in a church. It holds over 5000. Not that it matters, but obviously you're getting your news from a flawed source if they suggested it was in a church.
Yeah, don't ya just love political eulogies? Ignorant - Truthhurts
[ In Reply To ..]Politics should NEVER, EVER play a part in eulogies, especially by a president. It was despicable.
Once they asked the President to deliver - the eulogy it became political
[ In Reply To ..]It was a political killing centered around racism from the GIT GO.
What type of eulogy would have been expected from the POTUS for a person he did not know personally. Blame the planners, blame the victim(as most conservatives already have) if you will, because I am certain the people who knew him felt that this is how he would have wanted it.
Wrong - they asked a man to do the eulogy - So now here's the deal - sm
[ In Reply To ..]Since Obobo The Clown has interjected politics into religion it is now okay to interject religion into politics. No more separation of church and state. Thank you Mr. Clown for erasing the separation. Politics can be and should be ruled by religion since "Mr. I think I am above the law" has opened the floodgates for this. When religion interconnects with politics you can thank him for it.
Since we are no longer a country, welcome to "The States of No More Hypocrites Allowed". They want to interject politics into religion, well they now get it right back in their face.
So conservatives are really okay with rewriting the Constitution? - sm
[ In Reply To ..]Just as long as it's them doing the rewriting and interjecting their religion into it. Should be a very interesting argument watching them fight over which interpretation of which religious scripture gets foisted on American citizens.
Of course, President Obama's eulogy for the slain pastor and politician, the Honorable Pinckney, State Senator of South Carolina, doesn't remotely constitute "erasing the separation" of church and state in our country any more than anyone's post on a Political chat board does. Obviously, the First Amendment has always given politicians and pastors in America the right to freedom of speech to discuss religion and/or political beliefs as they please, it just doesn't allow lawmakers to make laws based on religious beliefs.
President Obama is not by a long stretch the first politician to speak of politics in a religious setting. Who can forget George W. Bush standing barefoot in the D.C. mosque saying "Islam brings hope and comfort" and President Bush taking our country to war in Iraq saying everyone has a God given right to be free? I wouldn't exactly go patting Obama on the back nor blaming him for the interjection of politics with policy. Just saying.
No, but liberals have no problem with it. - as it is being done.
[ In Reply To ..]nm
Except that the murders were politcally based. - (Based on mindless right wing hatred.)
[ In Reply To ..]THAT is the truth.
The deceased was a South Carolina State Senator as well as pastor of the AME church. - State the obvious
[ In Reply To ..]What kind of moron would attempt to eulogize a South Carolina State Senator and leave politics out of the eulogy? The Senator was killed by a domestic terrorist, and politics was his life. The eulogy wasn't for you judgmental hypocritical conservatives, it was for him and his family and the members of his church and community.
Politics and being the pastor of that church were his life, and he was killed by a domestic terrorist trying to start a race war. Why do you think they asked the president to give the eulogy? President Obama delivered the eulogy they wanted for their slain Senator, pastor, and leader.
If conservatives don't like it and think "it was despicable," Lord give them at least the grace to keep their hateful spew and hypocritical judgments to themselves regarding this man's tribute to his life. Hard to fathom why the same people who keep whining incessantly that Christians are under attack would so callously attack a man's eulogy. Truly pathetic, in my honest opinion.
It truly was despicable. Does he even know what "eulogy" means? - LM
[ In Reply To ..]nm
All these "outraged" repubs are the despicable ones. - Hopefully their funerals will be
[ In Reply To ..]equally mocked and picked apart.
Repugnant, ignorant, despicable... - YD
[ In Reply To ..]are words that describe some of the bizarre reactions I am reading on this board. I suggest that folks who took offense at the eulogy take off their reality-denying blinders and actually watch that eulogy with special attention to the expressions on the faces of the church elders sitting behind the President. If they do, they will see not a smidgen of disgust but rather they will see expressions of sorrow, solace, admiration, even delight as their President honors their dead by speaking to the truth and placing their friends' deaths in a broader context.
Has history just completely passed some of you by that you could think that politics in the broadest sense of societal context that President Obama employed is out of place in a eulogy to the victims of racial murder?
His eulogy was the direct descendant of one of the most magnificent speeches in American history, delivered by Reverend Martin Luther, Jr, at the funeral of 3 little black girls in Birmingham who were also killed by white racists.
Amused--I thought I saw a slight bit of surprise - when he broke out into Amazing Grace by himself!
[ In Reply To ..]xx
Singing - YD
[ In Reply To ..]Yes, there was some definite surprise and delight when he broke into song :)
Welcome (ahem) back - Blanche
[ In Reply To ..]I've just re-read the transcript of the eulogy the President gave for Rev. Clementa Pinckney. There certainly was some political material in it. But if you feel that was inappropriate, you missed the point of the entire eulogy.
For the President (or anyone else who might have given the eulogy) to have ignored the points he discussed - the racism that still plagues us as a nation, the Confederate flag as a symbol of that racism, the violence that kills so many of our citizens, and the guns that are the tools of that violence, and the ongoing racial injustice many of our fellow citizens suffer - to have ignored those issues, or glossed over them, would have rendered the entire eulogy empty and meaningless.
A eulogy should not be a pablum blend of trite, empty words. It should be truly about the person who has died. It should reflect who they were, and what they stood for. It should highlight their hopes, their dreams, and their accomplishments. By discussing these 'political' items you're so offended by, President Obama honored the memory, and the life, of Rev. Pinckney quite appropriately. And he gave some measure of healing and hope to the many people injured by his loss.
A eulogy is about the person who has died. It is for the people who remain. In this case, that includes us all.
The Democrats often turn funerals into a political - rally. Remember Wellstone?NM
[ In Reply To ..]NM
He actually made me puke. He had to inject his - BS racism in there, didn't he.
[ In Reply To ..]nm
Where, pray tell? - YD
[ In Reply To ..]I am a white South Carolinian, the descendant of white South Carolinians since the 1700s and before that Virginians. I am also the descendant of slave owners on both sides of my family. I carry no guilt for that fact because I am not responsible for their actions, but I also harbor no revisionist illusions that the Civil War was fought for something other than the right to continue owning slaves.
Let me also say this--in my 6 decades of being a southerner, I have never, ever encountered a Confederate flag-waving or flag-displaying individual who wasn't a racist. Not one. I applaud the young woman who climbed up the pole this weekend and took the damned thing down. Of course, it only stayed down for a few minutes, and the whole thing was peaceful.
With all this being said, my reaction to the President's words was this. What grace. To the words spoken by the families of the victims earlier in the week, what amazing grace. We have another chance to call upon what Lincoln referred to as the better angels of our nature. I have never been prouder to be an American and a South Carolinian than I was while listening to my President and looking at the faces of my fellow South Carolinians who surrounded him.
What an awesome post. - sm
[ In Reply To ..]Thank you for your excellent post; your story sounds so familiar to me, as I too am the descendant of slave owners on one side of my family from Virginia. The plantation they owned still stands to this day, just a very large, old house now since the slave quarters had been demolished long ago. I carry no guilt either, but I do shake my head in disgust every now and then and feel a twinge of shame when the subject comes up for whatever reason (and lately, there's a lot more reasons, you know).
I had to post to lend support to what you've said here about that Army of Northern Virginia battle flag. With the exception of children who were too young to understand what the flag represents to many Americans, I too have never encountered a flag-waving or flag-displaying individual who wasn't a racist. I suppose there might be a few people out there who for them that battle flag truly does represent heritage, but I've yet to run across one of them. The people I've seen displaying that flag are the ones who view it as their symbol of superiority and something they can still (quite literally) hold over the heads of others from whom they want to "take our country back." Where I come from, this Army of Northern Virginia battle flag and the standard of Continental Colonel Christopher Gadsden of South Carolina are frequently seen flying together, both of the standards now coopted by other movements which represent, in my opinion, something to which the great Continental Colonel Gadsden would never wish to have his standard attached.
This is America, and I respect their right to fly their symbol of superiority, or whatever it actually represents to them, on their own property as much as they want, but that Confederate battle flag really does need to be removed from public grounds; it is way past time for our state governments to stop allowing the display of these symbolic battle flags of the Confederacy. How would Americans feel to see the flag of a foreign nation hoisted over their state house? This flag represents people who slaughtered their fellow Americans in order to divide our country and subjugate fellow human beings.
I thought the President of the United States did an excellent tribute to the State Senator of South Carolina, rest his soul and the others, and I too was proud that day for our country and the example shown to the nation. When another terrorist strikes either here in the homeland or at one of our embassies or consulates, I hope we can all follow the example that South Carolinians have shown here; they have set the bar really high for us all.
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