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Should We Gamble on Hillary?


Posted: Mar 10, 2016

With Donald Trump Looming, Should Dems Take a Huge Electability Gamble by Nominating Hillary Clinton?

Feb. 25 2016, 12:17 a.m.Many Democrats will tell you that there has rarely, if ever, been a more menacing or evil presidential candidate than Donald Trump. “Trump is the most dangerous major candidate for president in memory,” pronouncedVox’s Ezra Klein two weeks ago. With a consensus now emerging that the real estate mogul is the likely GOP nominee, it would stand to reason that the most important factor for many Democrats in choosing their own nominee is electability: meaning, who has the best chance of defeating the GOP Satan in the general election? In light of that, can Democrats really afford to take such a risky gamble by nominating Hillary Clinton?

 

virtually every poll, her rival, Bernie Sanders, does better, often much better, in head-to-head match-ups against every possible GOP candidate. Here, for instance, is a compilation of how Clinton does against Ted Cruz in recent polls: She trails the Texas senator in all but one poll, and in the one poll she leads, it is by a paltry 2 points:

 

 

By stark contrast, Sanders leads Cruz in every poll, including by substantial margins in some:

A similar story is seen in their match-ups against Trump. Although they both end up ahead in most polls, Sanders’ margin over Trump is generally very comfortable, while Clinton’s is smaller. Clinton’s average lead over Trump is just 2.8 percent, while Sanders’ lead is a full 6 points:

Then there’s the data about how each candidate is perceived. Put simply, Hillary Clinton is an extremely unpopular political figure. By contrast, even after enduring months of attacks from the Clinton camp and its large number of media surrogates, Sanders remains a popular figure.

A Gallup poll released this week reported that “29 percent of Americans offer a positive observation about Clinton while 51 percent express something negative.” As Gallup rather starkly put it: “Unfortunately for Clinton, the negative associations currently outnumber the positive ones by a sizable margin, and even among Democrats, the negatives are fairly high.” Sanders is, of course, a more unknown quantity, but “the public’s comments about Sanders can be summarized as 26 percent positive and 20 percent negative, with the rest categorized as neutral, other or no opinion.”

In fact, the more the public gets to see of both candidates, the more popular Sanders becomes, and the more unpopular Clinton becomes. Here’s Quinnipiac explaining that dynamic in one graph just a few days ago:

 

This Huffington Post chart, compiling recent polls, shows not only that Clinton is deeply unpopular among the electorate, but becomes increasingly unpopular the more the public is exposed to her during this campaign:

Or look at the same metric for critical states. In Ohio, for example, Sanders’ favorability rating is +3 (44-41 percent), while Clinton’s isnegative 20 (37-57 percent).

Then there’s the particular climate of the electorate. While it’s undoubtedly true that racism and ethno-nationalism are significant factors in Trump’s appeal, also quite significant is a pervasive, long-standing contempt for the political establishment, combined with enduring rage at Wall Street and corporate America, which — along with the bipartisan agenda of globalization and free trade — have spawned intense economic suffering and deprivation among a huge number of Americans. This articleby the conservative writer Michael Brendan Dougherty is the best I’ve read explaining the sustained success of Trump’s candidacy, and it very convincingly documents those factors: “There are a number of Americans who are losers from a process of economic globalization that enriches a transnational global elite.”

In this type of climate, why would anyone assume that a candidate who is the very embodiment of Globalist Establishment Power (see her new, shiny endorsement from Tony Blair), who is virtually drowning both personally and politically in Wall Street cash, has “electability” in her favor? Maybe one can find reasons to support a candidate like that. But in this environment, “electability” is most certainly not one of them. Has anyone made a convincing case why someone with those attributes would be a strong candidate in 2016?

Despite this mountain of data, the pundit consensus — which has been wrong about essentially everything — is that Hillary Clinton is electable and Bernie Sanders is not. There’s virtually no data to support this assertion. All of the relevant data compels the opposite conclusion. Rather than data, the assertion relies on highly speculative, evidence-free claims: Sanders will also become unpopular once he’s the target of GOP attacks; nobody who self-identifies as a “socialist” can win a national election; he’s too old or too ethnic to win, etc. The very same supporters of Hillary Clinton were saying very similar things just eight years ago about an unknown African-American first-term senator with the name Barack Hussein Obama.

Perhaps those claims are true this time. But given the stakes we’re being told are at play if Trump is nominated, wouldn’t one want to base one’s assessment in empirical evidence rather than pundit assertions, no matter how authoritative the tone used to express them?

It’s possible to argue that electability should not be the primary factor. That’s certainly reasonable: Elections often are and should be about aspirations, ideology, and opinion-changing leaders. But given the lurking possibility of a Trump presidency, is now really the time to gamble on such a risky general election candidate as Hillary Clinton?

Top photo: Donald Trump greets attendees after speaking at a campaign event at the Myrtle Beach Sports Center in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, Feb. 19, 2016.

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We've already had the precedent set with 8 years of "we - can't wait for Congress to act, so

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I will" and abuse of authority with a "pen and a phone" so I don't think it matters.

We have candidates from both parties who don't appeal to the rule of law, but rather the rule of stirring up emotions (fairness, racism, social justice, etc.).

Whatever you want to call it, democratic socialism or national populism, it doesn't appear to the Constitution, it appeals to emotion.

I don't think either party for the most part cares about - the Constitution or the law.

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The republic has been lost and the political parties are going to cause us to have a civil war.

The Republic hasn't been lost yet, but it's - likely to if we let a Fascist win office.

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Do we really want a country ruled by greed, corruption, and a wealthy ruling class?

Think forward a bit - to when you're retired and living solely on Social Security and (if you're lucky) a small IRA nest egg to help with emergency expenses, and Medicare. What retired or about-to-be-retired person in their right mind would elect a party into office that wants to make drastic cuts to Social Security and Medicare?
We already have a country ruled by greed, corruption, - and a wealthy ruling class.
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Washington DC is a bunch of elites. Obama has already nationalized the auto industry, student loan industry, and further nationalized healthcare, among others. He's given loans to his friends like Solyndra even though the company failed.

That's the REAL definition of fascism.
If you think that's "fascism", then by all means - vote for Trump, because - sm
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when it comes to an "elite ruling class", you ain't seen nuthin' yet. Trump will rewrite the book on that one.
If you think the word fascism is going to scare away - Trump voters, think again.
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Just like Obama voters, nothing you say or do will change their minds.

Besides, Obama has already given us fascism lite. No one seemed to care when the Democrats did it.

I think it's funny that now all Trump's Repub - competitors are now trying -
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anything and everything to stop his campaign. I guess they finally figured out his current standings in the polls heralds the imminent demise of their entire party. And now the big rumpus going on tonight in Chicago. Trump, who keeps touting himself as a "tough guy", turns tail and runs from his appearance there tonight. It just gets more and more entertaining every day.
Bill Ayers, you know the Weather Underground terrorist from - the White House organized
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the protest in Chicago. BTW there was a Communist flag being flown too (Bernie supporter?).

Typical of Ayers and Bernadette Dohrn.
I wonder how the left would react to a bunch of - protesters showing up and
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getting violent at a Bernie Sanders rally. This all smells of an organized group trying to stop the lawful assembly of people that they disagree with... I would love to see the phone records for the last 24 hours of those arrested.

When Chicago goes bankrupt, Trump will be able to buy it for pennies on the dollar.
Law of unintended consequences. The lefties in - Chicagoland have awakened
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a sleeping giant.
The word fascism doesn't scare Trump voters - because a fascist regime is what they want.
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America has become an authoritarian state under Obama. - We can't survive with right-wing,

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left-wing politics dichotomy. It's like not treating the body as a whole unit.

The world is on fire now. China is gobbling up Asia. Iran is testing long range missiles. Millions of immigrants are circling the globe looking for a place to live. Look at Europe. Their illegal problem is worse than in the US. Plus the world is near an economic nightmare.

The timing of this US political tsunami is terrible.

Steven Crowder just posted a new video with Bernie voters - and free stuff. One woman

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even has an iPhone, but she wants her "needs" paid for. I guess so she can buy her "wants."

A little insight into socialists and their complete lack of understanding why America's founding was NOT like Europe.

Notice too that socialists looks so angry all the time, probably because they don't yet have everybody else's money.

Journey for Bernie...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjcD4ZBagZA

My friend is a Canadian and just became a US citizen LEGALLY. - He was laughing so hard at this!

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Love the Big Sister with the fancy phone. "Are you employed? No."

If she's unemployed does she have such a nice phone? We are doomed.

Love the T-shirt he has one "Vote for Bernie, less - work, more money"

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Oui Bernie!

I don't think they care how it's paid for, as long - as it's not them.

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Let's see, one candidate under FBI investigation and another - who says the Castro Brothers have

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done wonderful things for Cuba and honeymooned in USSR.

Not much difference in the two really.

My life began shortly after WWII. In the 1960s I was - exposed to the leftist belief that

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the Constitution is just an outdated piece of paper, I realized there was no discussion possible with mentalities who shared none of my values. We don't even speak the same language.

I believe my life has spanned what could very well be the heights of Western Civ, of which I am thankfully aware. It looks bleak beyond here. Short of another civil war, I don’t see Americans coming together over anything.

Although I feel Hillary would be a safer bet - than The Donald, the downside - sm

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is that if she is President, then we'll pretty much be stuck with the status-quo. Although that status-quo is certainly far better than what could likely happen if The Donald wins office, I think if we ever want to see things begin to move in a more honest, fair and forward-thinking direction, especially when it comes to looking at the Big Picture, we need to do everything in our power to get the silent majority to the polls in order to nominate Bernie.

Here's my take. - if anyone cares.

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I don't like Donald - my choice was in there among all those who have dropped out of the race. Bernie will only add trillions to the national debt by giving Americans everything for free and want more - Because I am retiring soon, I will be one of the 48% in this country who already don't pay taxes and I certainly will not be part of the 1%. The US is flat broke now - where do you go from there?

Hillary is part of a grand jury investigation - that means it is a criminal investigation - do I really want a leader of the country that could go to jail? They don't offer immunity to someone unless they really have a smoking gun.

Donald is looking better every day.

I agree. How many Bernie supporters pay much tax? - I'm voting for Trump.

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Taxes for most Americans would be less with - his plan. And the only difference - sm
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for corporations and the uber-wealthy would be that they actually PAY taxes.

Bernie's plans make sense. Trump HAS no plans, only a chip on his shoulder.

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