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Posted: Jun 2, 2014

I'd really like to hear the liberal talking points on this. Can you set aside your obsessive love for the president and his policies and let us know the "sane" reasoning behind this latest decision?

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I don't understand. What is there to defend - about the Taliban?

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There are no talking points to defend the Taliban, sorry to disappoint you.

Regarding sane reasons for the POW exchange, those have already been discussed in the threads below this.

I guess the talking points memo has not come out yet. - Otherwise, you would have something to say.

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NEWSFLASH: There is a lot to defend and explain for this latest irrationality.

nor has the OP told us what she is referring to - nm

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Newsflash: We're not privy to all the reasons. - SM

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Leave no soldier behind. It's not just a slogan; it's a promise between this country and each soldier that's more than lip service. The war is winding down. This had been in the works for a while. They had video that his health was in jeopardy.

Decisions are made every day that are not easy. They weigh their options and make difficult choices. Nothing is ever going to please everyone. There are other things we'll never know that went into the decision-making, but we certainly know the POTUS wasn't concerned with what his critics would say.

Everyone's got their own agenda, and it's so easy to criticize the decisions if that's your obsession.

How many were left behind in Vietnam? - No excuses.

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One excuse down. A million to go.

There is no reason to negotiate with terrorists. When did the rules change? That's all we've been hearing for the last 20+ years!

Vietnam: Obama's Fault? - SM

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If Obama decided to "leave no soldier behind," what does that have to do with someone else's decision made decades ago?

I guess maybe the rules changed in the 1980's when Reagan traded arms for hostages. So much of this negotiating goes on without our knowledge, and we only find out because something goes wrong. Actually, we've always negotiated with terrorists, just did it through back channels. It was only lip service saying we didn't. Just like we say we don't torture people, but then we do and we are.

Can you imagine a world where everything that goes on in it is not Obama's fault?

It shouldn't be too hard since we're actually living in it.

To quote you... - sm

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"Leave no soldier behind. It's not just a slogan; it's a promise between this country and each soldier that's more than lip service."

Did I mention Obama? Noooooo. He was probably just a babe during Vietnam. I seriously doubt he had anything to do with the soliders left behind then. Are you maybe just a "smidgen" sensitive because he's behind so many other scandals?

To quote you... - sm

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"How many were left behind in Vietnam? No excuses. One excuse down. A million to go.

There is no reason to negotiate with terrorists."

Since Obama is the one who negotiated with the terrorists that you talked about in your post, and I think your argument is that we left soldiers behind in Vietnam so Obama should have done likewise, then my point was that he had nothing to do with that decision and nor should he be bound by what they did if his decision was different than the one they made in Vietnam.

Am I a "smidgen" sensitive? No. I'm a person who has spent decades in situations you'd have to see to believe, and I can assure you that sensitivity is not something the CIC either requires or desires, but he's certainly got my respect.

Twists and turns... - sm

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I don't think you understand me and I certainly don't understand you. I would like to just agree to disagree. Thank you and good luck.

They are trying to deflect, but - it does not work.

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They are only fooling themselves. Donkeys, you know.

That's not what she said - boy talk about twisting - to the max

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She never said Vietnam was Obama's fault.

Can you imagine a world where the person who is responsible for the faults going on now actually takes responsibility and not tries to blame someone who has nothing to do with it. Not in Obama and his worshipers world.

Worshipers? - sm

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Can you imagine a world where people who voted for President Obama may have looked at their ballot, considered the choices, and simply voted Democratic? I wonder what that would make the people who looked at their ballot and chose to vote Republican? Romney worshipers? Ryan worshipers? Maybe money worshipers?

I'm not really hung up on the politicization or "who did what" or "who blamed whom" or finger-pointing games in the political arena, and I'm not really prone to watch political shows or news channels 24/7/365. I don't have cable, not even the basic channels, so sometimes the first place I hear about some of the news is actually right here on this chat board.

So thank you, Obama haters. Your passion for all things "O" is as informative as it seems obsessive. Were it not for your seeming love of condemning him, I'd sometimes not know what he was doing.

And though I'm a voter who supports Obama, you're much more devoted than I.

Yeah worshipers - sm

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Didnt read your message. Didn't need to. However can't help but see your last sentence, which proves my point.

Worshipers.

Stop being so ridiculously dramatic. - nm

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You first - nm

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That is exactly why I stopped responding to this person. - sm

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They have learned from their obsessively beloved master himself how to play the blame game, divert and deflect. I have come to the conclusion that the dems know exactly what they are doing and why, that they have no other defense, that they are too embarrassed to say they made a mistake in voting for this man, etc., etc. His goal is to "fundamentally transform America" into his own warped vision and he's getting away with it...for now. I feel confident that he will be impeached, especially with this latest fiasco of releasing Taliban terrorists. Even his own people have turned against him.

Be careful what you wish for.... - Seriously

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Impeach Obama, the diabolical inept stupid genius?

IMO, this type of narrative about President Obama and Democrats is its own worst argument. Why?

Either Obama and the "dems know exactly what they are doing" and are the most despicable and diabolical force for evil that the world has ever known with a "warped vision" to "fundamentally transform America."

***OR***

They're all just hopeless sheeple blindly following their equally inept and incompetent leader with no vision (who can't read a teleprompter).

So what's it today? Is it "up is down" or is it "down is up" in the alternate universe of the echo chamber where anything goes, no matter how crazy? Republicans these days seem to want it both ways, and their goal is Obama's impeachment. But until America's outrage equals the level of their obsession, the scandal machine will roll on toward that goal, shouting Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi!

What would the impeachment of two Democratic presidents in a row mean to Democrats? It's 2016 and the Republicans are fractured and infighting and the Democrats are united and focused and voting in record numbers.

So be careful what you wish for. An impeached Obama would get you a President Joe...... and a bunch of really ticked off lefties.

At this point... - sm

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..."a President Joe" would seriously be an improvement.

Two Impeached Democrat Presidents In a Row - Seriously

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Oh, please impeach Obama, please! Maybe he'd remain in office like President Clinton or maybe we'd get a President Joe for a few months. Would it matter? In their haste to advance their political agenda, the right would in effect elevate their enemy to the role of messiah of his party that you always accused him of being but that we never thought he was. Oh, the irony!

Yes, please usurp the people's vote twice in a row for purely political theater. Let's make bookend impeached Presidents Clinton and Obama and then watch them line up at the polls in record numbers to cast their votes for the Democrat candidate. Who knows, maybe it'll even be Hillary?

It's all part of the left's and Obama's inept yet crafty yet genius yet stupid yet visionless diabolical plan.

Oh please with the drama. Your post proves my point - worshipers.

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So blatantly obvious.

Nothing is being done for "political theatre". Sheesh - get a grip and stop being so dramatic.

Crimes were committed. When criminals commit crimes they have to be held responsible. Otherwise why even have laws. Just make this a lawless country. Nobody should be above the law (an oldie but very good movie).

"No man is above the law and no man is below it; nor do we ask any man's permission when we ask him to obey it". -Theodore Roosevelt

Mission Accomplished - Seriously

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Nice use of the quote from the founder of the Progressive Party.... thank you Theodore Roosevelt!

"So blatantly obvious."

Of course it was "blatantly obvious," as that was the object of the exercise. Republicans have NOT cornered the market on over theatrical political theater, and I didn't invent the messiah/worshipers lame narrative we're discussing, I merely took it ran with it.

"Get a grip and stop being so dramatic."

That lame narrative drama had already been written, and I'm NOT its original author. That stupid yet genius yet inept yet diabolical messiah/savior narrative you guys got there is the definition of political theater!

"Crimes were committed."

Nice try, but you can't get whiny and scream "scandal" at every bit of news and post stupid stuff by Dr. Jack Wheeler and expect the rest of us to now believe that you're only interested in crime prevention!

The more you post, the more you prove my point - worshipers.

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nm

Thank you!!! - I agree 100%!!!

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NM

Worshipers, oh the drama! - Does everything have to be

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SO overstated and dramatic? Unless you've met someone who has a shrine to Obama that they pray to, let's not pretend anyone worships. Exaggerations like these do nothing to help dialogue here, they only make people angry.

LIKE this 10x. nm - thank you

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There is no defense of this latest stunt. - It is all part of the grand scheme...

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...to fundamentally transform America.

Thank you very much for bringing the real truth to the board. - Abby

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nm

What's the transformation? We'll all become Muslims? - Huh?

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Yeah, because Islam looks like one fun religion. They have to get a better PR agent, if they're going to convert this whole country.

Oh enough already You know exactly that's not what she was talking about - Your post is offensive to Muslims

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Don't be ridiculous. Nobody is talking about the Muslim religion and you know that.

Sounds like you have an Muslim phobia. There is nothing wrong with people of the Muslim faith as you are suggesting. There are very good Muslim people. You seem to have something against them.

Please try and stay away from sarcasm and ridicule, you are not good at it.

EVERYTHING is wrong with the Muslim faith. It's a religion. nm - happy atheist

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nm

Again, your post is offensive. Stop grouping everyone in one lump - nm

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It would be like saying there is something wrong with atheists.

A big amen to THAT. Religion is the root of most - of the world"s problems.

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It's hatred, racism, segregation, murder, rape, theft, war, mutilation, poverty, and many other world horrors, hidden behind the cloak of magical thinking and claims of peace and brotherhood. Nothing could be farther from the truth.

No, people are. Religion is none of those things you listed - people are

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There is as much hatred in non-religious people too.

The Taliban Dream Team Conspiracy - sm

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I'm losing count on these conspiracy theories.

They're using all these conspiracies to deflect from the real issue of having to do anything about jobs, immigration, veterans, infrastructure, etc., so they look really, really busy without accomplishing one single thing except making Barack Obama a 1-term president.

Oh, wait!

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